Pakistan was created on the basis of group nationalism and not religion

[Spring Onion]

Sir
How does india existed before 47, there were 570 princely states, 13 provinces which british empire called India,
Before 47 there was an empire not a country called india,
There is a difference between an empire and country, Are you trying to say you are the continuation of british empire
you were the slaves of british indian empire not the rulers of British India

their notion is based on words now you will see the claim of their being Aryans and not Dravidian based on the usage of word arya similarly they bank on word India

 

[desiman]

and the tricolor country dates back to 1947 not even 30 so we are still ahead with starting from 1930s.

This flag was adopted in 1921.

While this was adopted in 1906.

Please visit this link - India: Historical Flags

It will tell you about form when India's flag had come into existence. India as a country has existed since 1800's. One can argue for even before that but I wont go into that.

 

[desiman]

1. prove that.

2. Not india related thread. make it threads started by bharatis against Pakistan.

3. i am on my own forum and you bharatis are coming here to poke your nose in our affairs so take a pick

This forum exist because of Indian's, we offer you the other side of the story or else all of you can go around chest beating for no reason. Without Indian or a alternate point of view, no forum can exist.

 

[desiman]

Sir
How does india existed before 47, there were 570 princely states, 13 provinces which british empire called India,
Before 47 there was an empire not a country called india,
There is a difference between an empire and country, Are you trying to say you are the continuation of british empire
you were the slaves of british indian empire not the rulers of British India

Please google the history of India and try to understand the difference between your notion of a country and what a country is really defined by. I am not here to give you history lessons, those who want to learn have the internet to do so. And by the way when you say " you were the slaves", hope you know that " You" should be a " We", Pakistanis were also part of British India.

 

[alphamale]

Sir
How does india existed before 47, there were 570 princely states, 13 provinces which british empire called India,
Before 47 there was an empire not a country called india,
There is a difference between an empire and country, Are you trying to say you are the continuation of british empire
you were the slaves of british indian empire not the rulers of British India

Columbus started his journey searching for india not british india or any other princely state. so there is one proof.

 

[TheStrantrunCurve]

While the issue here is Pakistan so I will in relation with Pakistan. It does not matter if Pakistan's growth rate is higher or lower than India, talking in relation with Jana's comment on the plight of Indian muslims, my question was what heavenly setting has Pakistan given to muslims in return ?

As I said in another post Pakistan's foundations are very weak. Its landlords were never curbed unlike what Nehru did first. Right after coming to power Nehru got rid of all the landlords and put strict control on businesses so that India does not get taken over by corporations or individual interest. While it can be argued that Jinnah's demise did not give him the time to make these changes, his short sightedness in regards to these issues is what has lead to Pakistan's downfall. The leaders after him only solidified the control of a few individuals over Pakistan and that has continued till today.

The WOT is just a symptom and even after its end, the economy wont see a drastic increase. While pockets of growth are always present, the very foundations of economics within the country are weak. Pakistan central regulatory agencies have little say in the economic conditions of the country and unlike India where the government pull all the strings, Pakistan has no clear strong hand which regulates the market. In India the budget is a huge exercise with major ramifications to business, in Pakistan the budget does not mirror the economy and the government does not have the strength to guide the country. Couple that with corruption and a general mistrust in the political system and you get a nice mix for a failed nation.

If Pakistan really has to change then change your whole political stance. Get rid of the India obsession and forget Kashmir. You are spending huge amount in a lost cause against a giant who has an economy almost 10 times that of you. You tell me who will win in the end ?

Start changing you personal agendas and only then maybe will Pakistan emerge from the ashes, if everything continues till now then the CIA's prediction that Pakistan will be engulfed in full blown civil war by 2015 will surely come true.

I can also write something similar about india's economy but i dont want to start an arguement. Pakistan has surmounted many challenges in the last 60 years, and it will face many more in the future but it will never fall. Pakistan has seen indian terrorsim in 1971 east pakistan it still survived, India immediately blocked all rivers after partition to teach pakistan a good lesson, India will continue to fuel insurgency in pakistan it will still survive,

If you ask me you people have nothing to be proud of your economy, you have a gdp of 1.4 trillion, divide this by 1 .2 billion indian and see what you get, India has 6 times the people pakistan has, and if one multiplies pakistan 6x, we both get a similar GDP, Pakistan was a provincial backwater during british times while india had all the industries and ports and factories and still it hasn't touched the sky but we have compared to what we started from, China became independent two years after india and today it is the wealthiest country in the world and its econmy is 4 times that of india while both countries have similar no. people.

The 3 tiny benelux countries with population 20 million has a bigger economy than india.

And as far as Kashmir and bangladesh are concerned, History tells us that a people and a nation cannot endure if they are split apart from each other. It may, therefore, have been a blessing in disguise when East Pakistan went its own way in 1971 to become Bangladesh. By doing so, Bangladesh paved the way for West Pakistan to become a more unified nation-state. Similarly Kashmir has been a part of pakistan, geographically, culturally and religious wise, India is not a God and it cannot defy history. Kashmir will join its mother land Pakistan whatever happens

 

[Irfan Baloch]

The reason is elite muslim class left India and the uneducated and low class muslims mainly labourers were left stranded over here.

beg to disagree,
check out the videos of the migrants (you should find plenty on BBC website), i would hardly call people on foot being mowed down by Hindu & Sikh mobs as elites...not all Muslims who stayed in India, did so on their free choice either the journey was impossible or the stories of whole trains with slain bodies did reach people who wanted to migrate but couldn’t.

please be fair. Check out the videos and pictures of slain people on the roads and fields and trains..
its a sad and cruel reality that no person with a even a trace of humanity can ignore. I personally know people who saw their loved ones hacked and impaled while trying to get to Pakistan.

 

[Leader]

^ as per 2001 census.

Current estimate is 165 million. 15% of the country's population.

link ? it was 2001 by which it was 138 as far as I remember !

 

[Spring Onion]

This forum exist because of Indian's, we offer you the other side of the story or else all of you can go around chest beating for no reason. Without Indian or a alternate point of view, no forum can exist.

stupid notion when the forum was on peak there were not much Indians and the quality of discussion was much much better at that time

now its infested with multiple Id owners from india many come again and again with more ids after banning and they are posting trash nothing else.

2. nobody is stopping you from coming here. my point is that you come here to do propaganda against Pakistan to get some solace.

 

[Leader]

Columbus started his journey searching for india not british india or any other princely state. so there is one proof.

india was a name given by the greeks to subcontinent !!


and never forget nehru requested Jinnah to let Bharit be called India in english and hindustand in urdu...

perhaps Jinnah shouldnot have allowed...

 

[arihant]

How does this make the prensent india as the continuation of british empire

And as far as the treatise are concerned i read somewhere that all the treatise signed by british before 47 becames null and void after independence of pakistan

I think you should read this India-Pakistan State Succession Scenario- A Precedent - Author - Divyam Agarwal you will get better Idea.

Also read some books - http://books.google.co.in/books?id=...q=india successor state british india&f=false

 

[TheStrantrunCurve]

Please google the history of India and try to understand the difference between your notion of a country and what a country is really defined by. I am not here to give you history lessons, those who want to learn have the internet to do so. And by the way when you say " you were the slaves", hope you know that " You" should be a " We", Pakistanis were also part of British India.

Pakistan and the present day india both shared the humiliating name of india during british raj.

Do you people even know that british used to equate indians with dogs. signs of “dogs and Indians not allowed” were often posted at private clubs
and even some public spaces, like waiting rooms at railway stations.

If Nehru had any dignity he would never named his country india.

Pakistan and Bharat both shared the name India, Bharat doesn't have the monopoly over the name "india"
and according to ancient designation we pakistanis have more right over this name as it came from our river indus

 

[arihant]

Pakistan and Bharat both shared the name India, Bharat doesn't have the monopoly over the name "india"
and according to ancient designation we pakistanis have more right over this name as it came from our river indus

Never knew about that or your schools teach this only. Ask any British/American and you will come to know about truth.

india was a name given by the greeks to subcontinent !!


and never forget nehru requested Jinnah to let Bharit be called India in english and hindustand in urdu...

perhaps Jinnah shouldnot have allowed...

And now to use which name, we have to take permission Jinna Sir.

 

[Spring Onion]

This flag was adopted in 1921.

While this was adopted in 1906.

Please visit this link - India: Historical Flags

It will tell you about form when India's flag had come into existence. India as a country has existed since 1800's. One can argue for even before that but I wont go into that.

oh and it proves that current day India dint come into being in 47 by your criteria then Pakistan came into being many hundreds years back probably 1453 keeping in view the symbol on our flag. and keeping in view the colour it dates back to early days of Islam

 

[Tiki Tam Tam]

india was a name given by the greeks to subcontinent !!


and never forget nehru requested Jinnah to let Bharit be called India in english and hindustand in urdu...

perhaps Jinnah shouldnot have allowed...

That is very interesting.

One must know if indeed it was so since it would be a worthwhile education.

Any links?