Pakistan warns India: don't make provocative remarks

[Hellfire]

Not sure what you are trying to prove here with the picture of the tanks, it's no secret how many Indian Tanks and Guns were left abandoned in the Chahmb Sector, amongst the booty were these 25 Artillery guns in perfect working conditions.

BTW, did GOI or Indian MOD ever revealed the casualties or circumstances behind this blunder.

Head back, read my comments on these topics bro. I take stupidity as it is.

But when will you?

Recall the tail of Mig 21? And what my comments were when you first posted it? I accept my fools and their foolish attempts. When will you?

 

[Irfan Baloch]

I won't engage you further on this, have great respect for a gentleman! Thanks for replying

relax its weekend

 

[Hellfire]

relax its weekend

Aye Aye sir, logging off.

Regards

 

[JohnWick]

Not sure what you are trying to prove here with the picture of the tanks, it's no secret how many Indian Tanks and Guns were left abandoned in the Chahmb Sector, amongst the booty were these 25 Artillery guns in perfect working conditions.

BTW, did GOI or Indian MOD ever revealed the casualties or circumstances behind this blunder.

Actually Respected Sir
.....he is trying to convinced himself that India had won in 1965...........hahahahahah

 

[BATMAN]

Pakistan needs a general like Pervez Musharraf, who can deliver some punch practically.

 

[Irfan Baloch]

Not sure what you are trying to prove here with the picture of the tanks, it's no secret how many Indian Tanks and Guns were left abandoned in the Chahmb Sector, amongst the booty were these 25 Artillery guns in perfect working conditions.

BTW, did GOI or Indian MOD ever revealed the casualties or circumstances behind this blunder.

there is fully intact army Jeep of an Indian General in Army Museum in Pindi as well but that too can be questioned as a propaganda.

 

[JohnWick]

there is fully intact army Jeep of an Indian General in Army Museum in Pindi as well but that too can be questioned as a propaganda.

Sir,
Why they don't accept their defeat

 

[Arsalan]

@JohnWick Just curious you know. I will first post your photograph:

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Your attention is drawn to the green markings to 'authenticate'. So far, all okay?

Now this picture below:

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Match the photograph. This is the original Photograph.

So far so good?

Now tell me, why would there be perfectly good tanks if they were captured, without any damage/debris, and with Black Dress clad Armoured Corps crews, manning these Shermans, which you too, after independence, operated? Just curious.

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adn of course @Windjammer (bro, you can use this one too)



Shhhhhh! Don't say that. You will be banned!

May i?

Is you argument based on the point that since these tanks are not damaged the pictures are not of war time captured tanks?

Shhhhhh! Don't say that. You will be banned!

This is unfair hellfire and not expect from you. When have you or any of your friends been banned for such a post? If you think that GuruDutt was banned unfairly, well, i might not even know anything about you!

Wow! What is this and where is this?

Its North Korea!!

 

[Crystal-Clear]

LOL....So a soldier shoots himself because he afraid of being being shot by someone else. Hats off to your logic.

why do people commits suicide?
.
.
mental pressure

 

[JohnWick]

May i?

Is you argument based on the point that since these tanks are not damaged the pictures are not of war time captured tanks?



This is unfair hellfire and not expect from you. When have you or any of your friends been banned for such a post? If you think that GuruDutt was banned unfairly, well, i might not even know anything about you!


Its North Korea!!

Respected Sir,
He @hellfire Thought that he can refute it by compairing these two pictures and convenced himself that these were not captured by PA during war time.

 

[Irfan Baloch]

Sir,
Why they don't accept their defeat

1965 outcome is debatable. we defended Lahore Chawinda against the Indian armor and PAF had some field day. Indians have their own list of accomplishment and they claim to achieve some objectives if not all
so was a stalemate at best from neutral point of view.

 

[JohnWick]

1965 outcome is debatable. we defended Lahore Chawinda against the Indian armor and PAF had some field day. Indians have their own list of accomplishment and they claim to achieve some objectives if not all
so was a stalemate at best from neutral point of view.

But sir we definitely won that war
India wanted to capture Pakistan
And its Generals wanted to take a tea in a Lahore hotel and we failed them by defending our country and also capturing their land
They retreated v not Sir..........

 

[Irfan Baloch]

But sir we definitely won that war
India wanted to capture Pakistan
And its Generals wanted to take a tea in a Lahore hotel and we failed them by defending our country and also capturing their land
They retreated v not Sir..........

if this was indeed main Indian mission
on that narrative yes we won.

preventing them from having tea etc.

 

[JohnWick]

if this was indeed main Indian mission
on that narrative yes we won.

preventing them from having tea etc.

Yes Sir....

 

[saiyan0321]

@JohnWick Just curious you know. I will first post your photograph:

View attachment 521841

Your attention is drawn to the green markings to 'authenticate'. So far, all okay?

Now this picture below:

View attachment 521846


Match the photograph. This is the original Photograph.

So far so good?

Now tell me, why would there be perfectly good tanks if they were captured, without any damage/debris, and with Black Dress clad Armoured Corps crews, manning these Shermans, which you too, after independence, operated? Just curious.

@Anik101 @punit @Roybot @Nilgiri @MilSpec @Joe Shearer @Laozi @anant_s @nair @scorpionx @Levina @Sam. @Dash @AUSTERLITZ @zip @saiyan0321 @Signalian @Arsalan @Horus @Dubious @LASER @WAJsal @Soumitra

adn of course @Windjammer (bro, you can use this one too)



Shhhhhh! Don't say that. You will be banned!

good point

one explanation war propaganda

second one.. fully intact and functioning equipment is not rare to find when its former owner makes a hasty retreat, abandons the equipment without destroying due to a surprise attack.

I wont worry about it. since we are all mortals we must allow ourselves a chance to digest the fact that enemy can win from us a few times specially when there is much to celebrate from successful East Pakistan operation.
even the Asgards dont have a perfect record against the frost giants do they? hm?

how did a thread where one country tells another to not make provocative statements and maintain an air of peaceful environment suddenly include the 1965 war, the india china war, toilets and who won what? funnily enough i saw the entire thread and i dont even know how this came to be... not good.

War is never a singular process nor it is something predictable. if history has taught us anything is that war is always changing, evolving and adapting. Objectives at the start may not be the objectives at the end. Some times the objectives can be simple and evolve into complicated ones. We see this with every war. This fact is perhaps the most overlooked fact ironically on a defense forum.

It takes some real lack of thinking to equate losses with losing and retreats into defeats....

We are on a defense forum yet we talk about war in a very childish fashion and its not just one side. Its all sides.

1. first there is extreme romanticism about it that war is something that is needed and can solve problems that inhibit a nation when its complete opposite. Often such talks are completely opposite of the modern world affairs and international law and this romanticism then extends to soldiers and the fantasies one has of them that they are automated machines. They are human beings just like us. This then evolves into a mirror from which we see every conflict past, present and then the future and try to mold events to this image.
   
2. There is basic misunderstanding of how wars are fought and evolve with its continuation. The changes that come are simply its evolution. One can sit and predict how it may go but nothing is a hundred percent. even modern wars, in fact especially modern wars have a habit of changing drastically.
3. everyday theories are discussed and evolve and changed yet we talk as if its command and conquer video game.

Lets take a step back and take a deep breath, look as to why 5 pages of absolute uselessness was posted and get back on topic.