Pakistan US Relations After the US attack on PA Soldiers

[Sinnerman108]

Let's get beyond the anger: Munter

Updated 2 hours ago
ISLAMABAD: US Ambassador in Pakistan, Cameron Munter on Monday expressing sorrow on the 'terrible tragedy' of Mohmand agency attack by Nato forces, termed it an 'unintentional' act and a result of 'failure of mechanism'.

Speaking in Geo News program 'Capital Talk', he said: "We feel as Pakistani people do on this terrible tragedy. It should not have happened."

"We have pledged a full inquiry into the incident and we should learn from this so that it should never happen again," he asserted.

When asked to comment on possible closure of Pakistan airspace for US planes, Cameron Munter said 'let's not forget that Pakistan and US are on the same side' and that there should be more talk between the two allies rather than less. "Let's get beyond the anger."

To a question on whether US was trying to pressure Pakistan to restore Nato supply line, the US Ambassador said the US government was in constant contact with Pakistan over the issue.

Get beyond the Anger .... what kind of absurd thing is that to say ?
Did they get beyond anger when they put Libya under sanctions for two people ?
NO
but they quickly got beyond the fact there were NO WMDs in Iraq.
they quickly get beyond the fact that Al Qaeeda is all gone , yet they are in Afghanistan.

Like they say in American.... Too soon ! Mr Munter

Your blood is no more precious than mine

 

[Safriz]

Please quote this part too from that news story:

this is not an all out war......and the conditions are not that difficult that a trained apache pilot couldnt read a map and couldnt identify a marked pakistani post..
i will be repeating myself.....but one or two rockets at one pakistani post would have been a mistake but a 2 hour torrent of bullets and rockets on two check posts and on fleeing soldiers?
that cannot be mistake.

 

[VCheng]

this is not an all out war......and the conditions are not that difficult that a trained apache pilot couldnt read a map and couldnt identify a marked pakistani post..
i will be repeating myself.....but one or two rockets at one pakistani post would have been a mistake but a 2 hour torrent of bullets and rockets on two check posts and on fleeing soldiers?
that cannot be mistake.

We have already heard about the Pakistani side of events. Waiting for the NATO version on 12-23 before discussing it any further would be the correct thing to do, in my opinion at least.

 

[pakdefender]

These SOBs are already saying, in as many words, that they cannot rule out the possibility of more such attacks and this rat of an ambassador is saying lets go past the anger!!!
F U Munter!!! America is a blood thirsty animal and its best to work towards bringing it close to its end rather than feeding it through our own hands.

 

[Safriz]

We have already heard about the Pakistani side of events. Waiting for the NATO version on 12-23 before discussing it any further would be the correct thing to do, in my opinion at least.

the thing is they themselves are not waiting for the NATO report and dishing out comments like this one fro
mr.ambassador.
Above all they have clearly said that they cannot guarantee that nothing like this will happen again.
they have lost all trust of PA and all sympathy/empathy/indifferance of the people of pakistan.
i dont beleive any report from NATO will make any difference as now their WOT has been damaged beyond repair.

 

[Major Sam]

We have already heard about the Pakistani side of events. Waiting for the NATO version on 12-23 before discussing it any further would be the correct thing to do, in my opinion at least.

Y u r so obsessed wid NATO version? wat u think what should be the fault of pakistan side? in max case the fault should be such that they start firing on armed Apaches .....

 

[VCheng]

.........
Above all they have clearly said that they cannot guarantee that nothing like this will happen again.
................

They have NOT said that. Please read this part in its entirety before jumping to any conclusions:

Gen Allen said: “You simply can’t guarantee anything in war. The conditions are difficult at the border, let the investigation play out, we will look carefully. If we find fault on our part, we will resolve that … we will look at every aspect of the circumstances to make sure it does not happen again.”

Y u r so obsessed wid NATO version? ................ .....

It is only a matter of finding out what happened from both sides that would lead to a more complete picture; that is all.

 

[Devil Soul]

Stable relationship with Pakistan critical: Panetta
Updated 2 hours ago

WASHINGTON: Defense Secretary Leon E. Panetta expressed confidence that the United States and Pakistan can patch up their differences, emphasizing that “ultimately, we can’t win the war in Afghanistan without being able to win in our relationship with Pakistan as well.”

The secretary said restoring the strained relationship with the United States critical to long-term progress in Afghanistan.

“It is essential to stability in that region that we not only achieve a peaceful resolution with regards to Afghanistan, but that we are able to develop a more stable relationship with Pakistan as well,” he said. “If that region is ever going to find peace, it is going to happen not only by achieving stability in Afghanistan, but also by achieving some degree of stability in Pakistan as well.”

The US relationship with Pakistan has been “difficult and complicated,” Panetta conceded. “But it is an important relationship, and it is one we have to continue to work at.”

The secretary noted that Pakistan has provided important cooperation to the United States. “At the same time, we have had some serious difficulties with regards to some of the operations that involve groups in the federally administered tribal areas (Fata) and groups along the border,” he said.

Strain between the two countries increased after the May 2 raid that took down Osama bin Laden in Pakistan, and intensified after a Nov. 26 engagement near Pakistan’s border with Afghanistan that killed 24 Pakistani soldiers.

He expressed hope that the investigation will shed light on “exactly what happened,” but said he has not yet received an update on any findings.

The United States also is working to get Pakistan to reopen ground supply routes into Afghanistan it closed after the border incident. “I am confident that will happen,” Panetta said. “I remain confident that at one point, we are going to be able to restore our normal supply routes.”

For now, Panetta said he’s satisfied that troops have the supplies they need to continue their operations in Afghanistan. “Our command structure has done an incredible job ensuring that one way or another, we are able to get those supplies in,” he said.
Stable relationship with Pakistan critical: Panetta

 

[Devil Soul]

We can't win Afghanistan war without winning Pakistan, says Panetta
By AFP
Published: December 13, 2011
KABUL: US Secretary of Defence Leon Panetta said on Tuesday that it was important to reach out to Pakistan if the United States wants to dismantle Afghan militant havens.
“It’s been said a number of times that ultimately we can’t win the war in Afghanistan without being able to win in our relationship with Pakistan as well,” said Panetta.
The US Secretary of Defence is visiting Kabul to discuss the situation in Pakistan and to reaffirm America’s commitment to Afghanistan as Washington starts to withdraw combat troops and hand over security to Afghan forces.
“It’s going to be important, as we continue to move and progress in our efforts in Afghanistan, that we continue to outreach to Pakistan. This has been a difficult and complicated relationship but it is an important relationship.
Pakistan shut the US supply line into landlocked Afghanistan on November 26 after the Nato attack on a Pakistani check post that killed 25 Pakistani soldiers, saying that the blockade could last weeks longer, and forced Americans to leave the Shamsi air base.
US officials have accused Pakistan of supporting the Afghan Taliban and its Haqqani faction, whose leaders are based on Pakistani soil.
“They have provided cooperation in areas that have been important to us and at the same time we’ve had some serious difficulties with regards to the operations that involve groups in the Fata (Pakistan’s tribal belt) and groups along the border.”
Pakistan called the November 26 attack deliberate. US commanders deny it was intentional. US investigators are due to submit a report on December 23.
“In the end Pakistan and the US do share the same concerns with regards to terrorism,” said Panetta.
Afghanistan and the US troops’ withdrawal
The Pentagon chief says that violence is falling in Afghanistan, where the US has been at war with the Taliban for 10 years.
“I think 2011 will mark a turning point with regards with the efforts to Afghanistan,” Panetta told journalists on the flight to Kabul.
“Troops have been able to reduce the levels of violence there. They are successful in securing some of the key areas in Afghanistan. There’s greater success in the Afghan military and police.”
The US has announced the withdrawal of 10,000 of its 100,000 troops by the end of the year, while 23,000 others will leave the country by the end of September 2012 after the summer “fighting season”.
The number corresponds to the 33,000 “surge” troops ordered in by President Barack Obama in late 2009 in a bid to reverse the Taliban insurgency, defeat al Qaeda and quicken an end to the war.
Recent media reports, not denied by the Pentagon, say the focus of the US mission is turning increasingly to building up the Afghan army to take on more responsibility in the fight against the Taliban.
Panetta welcomed the “significant achievement” of a second phase of transition from Nato to Afghan security control, which was launched this month in conjunction with the planned exit of all Nato combat troops in 2014.
In the second wave, Afghan forces will take charge of six provinces, seven provincial capitals and more than 40 districts, including three in the southern province of Helmand, one of most deadly in the conflict.
More than half of Afghans live in an area included in either the first or second phase of transition, according to Karzai.
“That of course requires greater and greater efforts by the ANSF (Afghan National Security Forces) as they’re moving to the lead,” a senior US defence official said, speaking anonymously.
During his two-day visit, the former CIA director will also meet General John Allen, the US commander in Afghanistan, troops and US embassy staff.
The Pentagon chief, who made a brief stop in Djibouti before arriving in Kabul, will next travel to Iraq, Turkey and Libya.

 

[lem34]

Americans should learn from the chinese on how to win hearts and minds. They will never force and or bully pakistanis into something pakistanis dont want to do.

 

[karan.1970]

Americans should learn from the chinese on how to win hearts and minds. They will never force and or bully pakistanis into something pakistanis dont want to do.

Even Americans never force Israelis to do anything they dont want to ...

 

[Sugarcane]

Even Americans never force Israelis to do anything they dont want to ...

They were kidding when they said that they will bomb us to stone ages

 

[Imran Khan]

Pakistan talking again to US-led coalition: Nato
AP
(2 hours ago) Today

General John Allen, commander of Nato's International Security Assistance Force (ISAF). - AP (File Photo)

KABUL: The top Nato commander in Afghanistan says he’s seeing signs of a possible lifting of Pakistan’s communications blackout imposed on the US-led coalition after Nato airstrikes killed two dozen Pakistani forces.

Marine Gen. John Allen tells reporters at a news briefing in Kabul that he recently spoke on the phone with Pakistan army chief Gen. Ashfaq Pervez Kayani. Allen says that by the end of the call on Monday, both expressed a commitment to work through the incident.

He says he believes Pakistan will soon send liaison officials back to Nato headquarters in Kabul that were pulled after the Nov. 26 incident. Allen says the two did not discuss when Pakistan would reopen its border crossings to Nato convoys transporting supplies for troops in Afghanistan.
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[VCheng]

Step by step, both sides will learn to work better after the tragic incident, as they should.

 

[somebozo]

offcourse the ban will be eventually lifted but at Pakistan "terms"..not really something for NATO to get excited considering their nfree lunch has ended at times they were most vulnerable!