Originally posted by Sam@Jan 30 2006, 12:31 AM
Sorry but i tend to disagree the matter of fact is pakistan gave the nuclear tech to iran and made doctor abdul kadir a escape goat just to save there @ss i still remember mushraff talking to the press and saying that people said there should be muslim brother hood what happened we gave the tech to iran and all they did was that they shouted there mouth's offf and back then i disagreed with him but i do agree with him now acha tell me why did iran sticked with india and suported indian's stance agaisnt pakistan tell me in this mordern time and day what did any muslim country do for one another tell me what did anybody do for us where were our muslim brothers when we needed them the only country which ever helped pakistan was egypt and turkey who lend PAF a good amount of F-16's when pakistan was going nuclear in 1998 and one more thing will any of your so called muslim brothers ever stand for us if we are attacked the answer is simply NO and every body knows this when i said that i needed 15000 RS which is hardly $250 us dollars you just made an excuse like just i said you would now where is your muslim brother hood like i said all talk no action all we ever do is talk nonsence and when the time comes do nothing you love afganistan and iraq and palestine so much then go fight the america's and the isreali's just dont come up and tell me about muslim UMMA and muslim brother hood what you said was true to some extend but let us be capable enough to atleast fight these nations when we become that strong then all your points are valid but as of right now we are weak and for me PAKISTAN'S survival is the number one thing on my list....
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I agree with the part "all talk and no action". In next 20 - 50 years there will even be no "talk". sometimes I wondser waht happened to the ummah? where is the Amir? how we ended up in this situation? even 400 years ago we were not that bad as we are now. The problem was division of the Islamic empire into little states that were run by nationalist, Iranis must be thinking we must save persians to the hell with paskitanis. And we are thinking the same. $250 US can be given to needy person or to a mosque. ( btw good trick to take money form me besty
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We must offer charities for the relief of the suffering(palastine). While doing so it is important to feel the pain and suffering they are going through right now as if we ourselves were being personally hurt
. As the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) said, ââ¬ÅThere is no intelligence greater than planningââ¬Â. Stated differently, we must plan and work out strategies methodically and systematically; let me list a few points in this regard:
1. We must organize our priorities and seek to mobilize the spiritual and intellectual and other resources of the community to strengthen the Ummah and protect it.
2. We must prepare a new generation of trained professionals and experts who would protect us against the misinformation and deliberate cover up and false propaganda in the media.
3. We should reach out to other communities and cooperate with all the peace-loving people, regardless of their religious or ethnic affiliations, and work for the cause of truth and justice and fundamental rights of all fellow citizens and human beings.
4. We must recapture the essential universal, ethical values and ideals of Islam and accentuate them, rather than being ossified on dogmas and rituals.
5. The Ummah cannot be mobilized for the higher ideals of Islam so long as the Minbar (the pulpit from where religious speeches are given) remains a dead piece of wood. We must remember that the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) trained an entire generation of leaders from the University of Minbar.
Besty I agree with u that why dont I go and fight there, you see that by Iman is not 100% strong.And I know that goin to fight for the truth takes lot of courage. Right now I am working on my Imaan, Right now the most I can do it financially support the People in the opressed country so they can fight. IF you cant even this then least you can do is to make dua and know in the heart that they are right
Before looking at Iran we shold also look at saudi & Kuwait , I am 100% sure that If Pakistan is attacked by USA ( May Allah never let it happen). They will allow US to use their military base. They will think of saving their Arab a$$ instead of protecting muslims. This is the problem today with muslims we dont think about others. If we follow sunnah and quran like in times of prophet we will be super power once again.
If Pakistan was attacked by Kaffir country then I willtry to go and wage a gurellia war on them, If i cant then I will atleast financially support them
We also gave it to libya and they told on us too ( I think i heard it somewhere).
what we should do is to minimize the US and EU pressure on muslim countires.
this can only be achieved by making some kind of orginization like UN for muslims. Right now UN is in hands of kaffirs and they use it to attack our lands.
US and China dont care about Pakistan, they care about their interest as long as they are protected nothing will happen to paksitan, but the time will come when we will have to choose between them or us.
They are already politically blackmailing Mushy to stan with them on war on terror, this war on terror will someday come on our door step. Like it came to Afghanistan and soon to Iran.
could anyone would have tought in soviet-war that US will attack Afghanistan?
People would have laughed at me and called me crazy.
we can never trust anyone but Allah and ourselves. who knows today they block F-16s and tomorrow we are labelled as the nation of terrorist.
China is playing pretty well and arming itself with modern weapons. we shold atleast try to moderanize our airforce. screw F-16's get something else.... but fast.
I know muslim countries will fall one by one , thats how Dajjal will come, but atleast we will give them HELL.. .. show them its not easy to attack Muslim country
Hooah ! :army:
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