Pakistan UAVs News & Discussions

[Safriz]

I wonder when they will using these in Balochistan

 

[Path-Finder]

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This is recent!

 

[nomi007]

This is recent!

yes just 2 days old

 

[polanski]

China to expedite delivery of Wing Loong drones to Pakistan: https://www.globaldefensecorp.com/2...te-delivery-of-wing-loong-drones-to-pakistan/

 

[Zarvan]

China to expedite delivery of Wing Loong drones to Pakistan: https://www.globaldefensecorp.com/2...te-delivery-of-wing-loong-drones-to-pakistan/

The Drones Pakistan is getting are most likely neither WING LONG II or CH 5

 

[Ahmet Pasha]

This configuration looks badass

 

[Deino]

This configuration looks badass
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Unfortunately it is only an old GC

 

[Bratva]

Thanks To @JamD [

@PanzerKiel @Caprxl

PN is looking at multiple options from East and West. There is truth to it but it's a time consuming process. It will wait for while to come to frutition.
As far as Italians go multiple stuff

Pakistan has recently won a major tender for 24 UCAVs from a Major Middle Eastern Country. That is a testimony to how far our Defence industry has progressed.

Damn right they do. And you will see their performance in a low intensity conflict very soon.

Affirmative. And not a Chinese Knock Off it’s a full fledged Indigenous MALE UCAV with localised Pay Load.

That video was of an older platform which the World Knows as Burraq UCAV. Burraq is a tactical UCAV which requires LOS. The newer bird is not from NESCOM and is from a different entity, is MALE in its true sense and carries A newer Improved and heavier payload. It has a SATCOM link/INS/Jamming/Spoofing Proof protocols. It a different beast.

 

[Bilal.]

Thanks To @Bilal.

Actually credit to @JamD. I took it from his previous post.

 

[JamD]

Trying to underail the thread lol.

That would be interesting. We can barely see two or (at best) four fuselage jigs, so reports of an export order for such a system would imply that the UAV line at AMF is much, much bigger now. I don't we we'd be able to balance export orders + domestic needs without said expansion. So, I wonder, did they clear room from the K-8 area, or is it some net-new expansion? OTOH it might take less time to build fuselages, so what we see in the pics is enough?

Own orders being diverted currently to fill the immediate need for the export order. No expansion currently undertaken but it's in the pipeline.

Well if it really is PAC @Ark_Angel is talking about then PAC did have a production line for Falco that could've been rejigged. Also I find it hard to believe that PAC designed, built, qualified, and got export orders for a MALE UCAV within 2 years. So either this is an earlier project (maybe a Falco on steroids) or not PAC at all.

 

[Bilal.]

Trying to underail the thread lol.




Well if it really is PAC @Ark_Angel is talking about then PAC did have a production line for Falco that could've been rejigged. Also I find it hard to believe that PAC designed, built, qualified, and got export orders for a MALE UCAV within 2 years. So either this is an earlier project (maybe a Falco on steroids) or not PAC at all.

Commissioning of 19 jigs(could even be more by now) 7-8 months ago means move towards mass production. So we can work backwards from that point to get an idea of the development timeline of the program. But then again, it’s all speculation and it might very well not be PAC.

 

[JamD]

Commissioning of 19 jigs(could even be more by now) 7-8 months ago means move towards mass production. So we can work backwards from that point to get an idea of the development timeline of the program. But then again, it’s all speculation and it might very well not be PAC.

19 jigs may not mean 19 sets of jigs but 19 individual jigs for parts, so I wouldn't read too much into that number.

 

[Dazzler]

 

[Slides]

We need to also get those Turkish drones that are doing amazing work for Azerbaijan.

 

[vizier]

Koral jammer combined with TB2 would be a nice addition to Pak inventory. Ads have difficulty in detecting smaller drones with pusher configuration which is the rotor is behind the aircraft. But as old Russian tanks dont have laser warning systems and countermesures, new t-90s and similar of India might have them. You need to consider the engagement options and ammunition accordingly while using these drones.

Recent Azr-Arm war again showed the incompetency of ads in their current configuration which is when they lock onto target to send a missile for a close hit they immediately reveal their own position. Be it the longer range S300 or shorter range Panstyr-Tor-Buk they become a target practice afterwards by anything. Even if they shot down the drone longer range systems like cruise missiles bms and even artillery if the radar is close easily target the air defence system. So locking on and sending a missile to target is not an option unless you lock on by another IRST system which has range disadvantage or launch a fire and forget system and almost immediately move away after launching the missile which is difficult for large systems like S300-S400s and from longer ranges.

Instead awacs and/or tethered balloon radar has better survivability while detecting longer range targets. Long wavelength radars even they are not accurate can vector planes or drones to incoming targets and their position is not as easy to uncover the opposing side needs special longer antennas on planes sacrificing their own stealth etc.

I have read somewhere before that B2 bombers are converted by Usa to be used as awacs. Maybe a pusher propeller delta flying wing design can be an option for awacs as well by installing a larger aesa radar on the nose and front of the fuselage. the propeller blades behind must be painted to reduce rcs though. Instead of the pilot cockpit a large piece of aesa radar can be installed as an awacs uav.

After the radar gets the target if the target is slow moving you can vector a2a drones like Akinci to that sector to deal with it. Also I think newer smaller a2a specific low rcs drones can be made with pusher-canard configuration like below. Ofcourse the straight rudders on the wings below should be taken behind the wing and slanted to reduce its rcs. Removing pilot canopy and inside bays for a2a missiles would be necessary too.

If the target is moving fast you need to send fighter aircraft like Jf-17 bvr option, Akinci type drone with bvr option or low rcs jet a2a drone which is currently under development by many countries.

Another option for a stop gap measure against jets would be to use a ramjet-a2a-drone capable of mach 3 with a wing configuration similar to one below. It needs to be upgraded to carry inside at least 2 a2a wvr missiles or if possible larger bvr missiles and it needs to have a radar inside the nose cone. This one is launched from B-52s but jettisonable rockets can be used to give the initial speed for the ramjet for ground based launch. No need to develop-install the expensive jet engine and no moving radar reflector parts in the engine being a ramjet. It would be easier to produce in numbers.

Lockheed D-21 - Wikipedia

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Jet engine low rcs a2a drones would have a longer range and can carry more payload but they are in development stages in most countries. But since sams and direct radar lock is an immediate give away of ads-radar own position that leaves air to air engagement as the remaining option and doing this as cheaply and effectively as possible becomes the main issue.