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Pakistan to test-fire Italian Spada 2000 in 2010

Did you ever hear Army Air Defence. One of my cousin is an officer in that.

I have seen AD Gun and Missile with PN as well.

OR

PAF has taken over the responsibility to defend other 2 services as well ?

Army has the air defence responsibility of defending its formations and some key strategic locations. But PA AD units are equipped with Anti-Aircraft guns Orliekons & other mostly Chinese Ack Ack systems , MANPADS having Anza series, Stingers, RBS-70 and Grifo series radars for the RBS missiles.

While the medium range and long range air defence responsibility is with the PAF, as they have the radar coverage as well as being the air force, the whole aerial defence responsibility is theirs, for that they have the Crotale series missile system, Spada being the new ones & most probably HQ-2 still in service and rumored HQ-9 LR-SAM system.

Though Army should get some 15-25KM range missile system to effectively protect their forward formations including infantry, armor formations, forward HQs and stuff like that, but they should be mobile, as PAF medium range missiles would be located at strategic places an can not cover forward formations, and the Ack Ack guns as well as MANPADS have limited coverage.
 
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Army has the air defence responsibility of defending its formations and some key strategic locations. But PA AD units are equipped with Anti-Aircraft guns Orliekons & other mostly Chinese Ack Ack systems , MANPADS having Anza series, Stingers, RBS-70 and Grifo series radars for the RBS missiles.

While the medium range and long range air defence responsibility is with the PAF, as they have the radar coverage as well as being the air force, the whole aerial defence responsibility is theirs, for that they have the Crotale series missile system, Spada being the new ones & most probably HQ-2 still in service and rumored HQ-9 LR-SAM system.

Though Army should get some 15-25KM range missile system to effectively protect their forward formations including infantry, armor formations, forward HQs and stuff like that, but they should be mobile, as PAF medium range missiles would be located at strategic places an can not cover forward formations, and the Ack Ack guns as well as MANPADS have limited coverage.


Thanks for the Explanation.
 
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army has its own air defense wing that is currently equipped with:

FIM-92A
Redeye
RBS-70
Anza Mk 1/Mk 2
HN-5A
Mistral

note that all these are MANPAD systems.

regards!

They do have some kinds of Guns as well.

btw- who got big balloons ?
 
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i am really sorry going off-topic but friedns i couldnt resist this one...
please excuse!


and Mr. DRDO, i hope you would hate me for going "OFF-TOPOIC" :lol: ;)

regards!

Actually.. the Russians have been using MIRV's for some time now..
And yes..off topic..
What is on topic is that the SPADA system has completed its integration with our AOC and data from the system is now linked to our integrated ADC.
 
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Actually.. the Russians have been using MIRV's for some time now..
And yes..off topic..
What is on topic is that the SPADA system has completed its integration with our AOC and data from the system is now linked to our integrated ADC.

the full operation status is not declared as yet...

or may be it nvere would be! ;) ;)

SPADA is a point defense system. it would be a good addition in our lean Air Defense System but what i would love to see it a good long range air defense system like the HQ-9z, FT-2000.

we have been listeninh about the induction of FT-2000 system since 2002~3 the same time when we started talking about the SPADA. i though they were to be bough together as a combo of good lpoint defense system in shape of SPADA to protect key instalations and a high altitude long range system to serve as a air defense sheild in shape of FT-2000.

belive me, FT is going to be one hell of a system.

i sincerly wish Pakistan do get these:

FT-2000
Country: China
Basing: Land


Details

In a report to Congress on May 28, 2004, the U.S. Department of Defense highlighted the major improvements that China has made to its air and missile defense systems over the past few years, including “[the] development of an antiradiation SAM [surface-to-air missile], most likely intended to target AWACS [Airborne Warning and Control System] aircraft and standoff jamming platforms.”(1)



The report was referring specifically to the FT-2000, a Chinese anti-radiation surface-to-air missile system designed to counter electronic jamming aircraft, AWACS aircraft, and other air radiation wave targets. Developed and manufactured by the China National Precision Machinery Import and Export Corporation (CPMIEC) during the late 1990s, the FT-2000 is also believed to be capable of destroying tactical ballistic missiles, similar to the U.S. Patriot and the Russian S-300P systems on which it is based.(2) At present, two versions exist, the mobile FT-2000 and the fixed-based FT-2000A.(3)



The FT-2000 is the direct result of a concerted effort by China to eliminate an inherent vulnerability in medium- and long-range surface-to-air missiles: jamming. For decades, air and missile defense systems like the Patriot and the S-300P have been susceptible to advanced techniques designed to confuse or immobile their interceptor missiles and keep them from reaching their targets. One of the most common jamming devices is S- and C-band airborne noise. If used properly, this and other deception mechanisms lead to what is known as the “suppression of enemy air defenses” and allows attacking aircraft and missiles to proceed to their targets without challenge.(4)



The FT-2000 was designed to neutralize and counter these airborne jamming devices. It contains a passive radar target seeker programmed to detect the specific electromagnetic signals emanating from its target. Essentially, the FT-2000 uses its target’s own jamming frequencies against it. In addition, the FT-2000 has a passive homing system that does not transmit electromagnetic waves, thus minimizing the chances that its enemies will detect it in time.(5) The system is equipped with modified HQ-9 interceptor missiles, each of which is 6.8 meters long, 0.47 meters in diameter, and has a launch weight of 1,300 kilograms. The HQ-9 missiles give the FT-2000 a range of 12 to 100 kilometers and an operating altitude of 3 to 20 kilometers. :yahoo: The mobile system is transported and launched on an 8 X 8 cross-country launcher with four canisters that resemble those used by the S-300P.(6)



In addition to the mobile FT-2000, China has developed a fixed-based variant, the FT-2000A. According to a recent Chinese sales brochure, the FT-2000A uses a highly-modified HQ-2 missile that has been equipped with passive radio frequency homing seekers. Each HQ-2 is armed with a 60-kilogram fragmentation warhead and has a range of 60 kilometers and a maximum altitude of 18 kilometers. Reports indicate that each FT-2000A battery consists of 12 missile launchers, each containing one missile, and a central control station. The central control station has one master passive sensor and three auxiliary passive sensors. The four sensors are capable of triangulating on electromagnetic signals in the 2- and 6-GHz frequency range, which covers most AWACS aircraft and other air radiation wave targets, thus earning it the nickname “AWACS killer.”(7)



In addition to its role as an anti-radiation missile system, the FT-2000 also has advanced capability against tactical ballistic missiles, although this point is seldom mentioned. As Richard D. Fisher, Jr. has pointed out, Chinese officials at the 1998 Zhuhai Air Show—shortly after plans for the FT-2000 had been unveiled—stated that the FT-2000 was being developed into an active-guided missile that eventually would have the ability to shoot down short- and medium-range ballistic missiles.(8) Since the FT-2000 is based on comprehensive systems such as the U.S. Patriot and the S-300P, it is no surprise that it too has anti-missile capabilities.



In October 2003, it was reported that China had closed a deal with its neighbor, Pakistan, to supply the latter with an unspecified number of FT-2000 missiles to counter India’s early warning capabilities. The China-Pakistan deal followed India’s own arrangement with Israel and Russia to install three Israeli Phalcon AWACS on Ilyushin Il-76 freighter aircraft, thus giving it an airborne early warning system.(9) According to various news sources, shortly after India announced its acquisition of the Phalcon radars, Air Chief Marshal Kaleem Saadat, the head of Pakistan’s air force, visited China and conveyed Pakistani President Gen. Pervez Musharraf’s wish to purchase an unspecified number of FT-2000s.(10)



The recent China-Pakistan arrangement may just be an attempt to maintain the delicate balance of power between India and Pakistan, both of which possess nuclear weapons. Yet according to an article published in Malaysia in January 2003, the People’s Liberation Army is eager to export the FT-2000 around the globe.(11) It is entirely possible that “AWACS killer” air and missile defense systems like the FT-2000 will soon proliferate throughout Asia, Europe, and the Middle East, a development that would introduce a multitude of strategic problems for the U.S. and its allies.


just cople this with with FT-2000A, the HQ-2 version mentioned in above article and the SPADA and this is going to be one hell of a defense sheild.:smitten:

:cheers:

regards!
 
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They do have some kinds of Guns as well.

btw- who got big balloons ?

yes, PA uses:

Oerlikon(005) 35 mm twin-barrel cannon
Oerlikon AHEAD modified cannon
Bofors 40 mm cannon

and yes PA also currently operates RBS 23 BAMSE. this one is a good medium range SAM with an altitude relatively better then the other SAM we currently use. (SPADA is not confirmed as yet)

RBS 23 BAMSE The Swedish medium range RBS 23 BAMSE surface-to-air missile, developed by Bofors and Ericsson, is intended to provide air defense to vital targets such as air bases, command centers, and mobile army forces, by facing a number of threats: anti-radiation missiles and other stand-off weapons, fighter bombers, helicopters and transport aircraft. Pre-series production was scheduled to start in 1998, leading to series production being launched in 2000. The project is in jeopardy because of the austerity program, and the future of BAMSE will be decided by the cabinet.
In 1993, the Swedish Government ordered full-scale development of the BAMSE Air Defence Missile System. BAMSE is a joint venture between Bofors Missiles and Ericsson Microwave Systems in which Bofors has the overall system responsibility. Series production will begin at the turn of the century.

The system has all-weather capability and a missile range exceeding the stand-off distance for electro-optical controlled weapons. With an effective altitude coverage of more than 12 km and a range of 15 km, the BAMSE system is suitable not only for protection of vital military objects and manoeuvrable ground forces, but also for protection of infrastructure vital to an entire nation. In cases where a stand-off missile is released from an aircraft outside the range of the air defence system, BAMSE is still capable of defeating the attacking missile.

A BAMSE battery comprises one Surveillance Co-ordination Center (SCC) and two to four Missile Control Centers (MCCs). The Surveillance Co-ordination Center (SCC) SCC has a 3D-surveillance radar with a characteristic 8 or 12 m high antenna mast which enables it to operate over terrain obstacles. The SCC includes such features as automatic tracking, continuous threat evaluation and combat co-ordination. Up to four MCCs can be individually co-ordinated by an SCC. It also has the capability to co-ordinate and control other types of Air Defence systems. The MCCs communicate with the SCC by cable, fibre optic cable or different types of radio. The distance to the SCC may vary, but 10 km can be regarded as a standard distance.

The Missile Control Center (MCC) contains all the essential elements for Combat Control and Fire Control. The MCC is towed by a cross-country vehicle which also transports missiles for reloading. Deployment and fire preparations can be carried out in less than 10 minutes. The MCC Fire Control Radar, Thermal Imaging System, IFF and weather sensor are mounted on a stabilised platform on top of a raisable 8 metre high mast. Guidance of the missile in trajectory is carried out by the Fire Control Radar which is a further development of the Ericsson Eagle radar and operates on the Ka band, i.e. 34-35 GHz. The capability of the MCC to acquire and track low-flying targets is considerably improved by the fact that it is possible to look over obstacles near the deployment site. Inside the NBC- and splinter-protected MCC, two operators are provided with a state-of-the-art situational awareness to enable optimal use of the system.

The missile launcher is located on the roof of the MCC and contains four ready-to-fire missiles. Complete reloading takes less than 3 minutes.

The BAMSE missile has high acceleration and subsequently maintained high velocity, resulting in short time-of-flight, even at long ranges. The missile will maintain its high manoeuvrability right up to the range limit. The high velocity missile has a proximity fuze and an impact fuze. The warhead provides lethal effect against all types of aerial targets, from small, high velocity targets such as cruise missiles and anti-radiation missiles, to large low-speed targets such as transport aircraft.

for the big ballons you are talking about:lol:, they are meant as point defense system. not really effective these days, i have ssen them at Kahuta.

i used to think they were eggs of some dinasaurs :partay:

here is the link to an informative website regarding Army Air defense wing. (it is worth reading)
Air Defence

regards!
 
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more relevant to topic:

Pakistan To Test-Fire Italy Air Defense Missiles
By tom kington
Published: 7 Apr 2010 09:43 Print | Email
ROME - Pakistan will test-fire in July the Spada 2000 air defense system acquired from MBDA Italia, a source at the firm said April 7.

The Spada test-firing will follow the delivery of the first of ten Spada batteries ordered by Pakistan for 415 million euros in 2007. Antonio Perfetti, CEO of MBDA Italia, said that delivery of the battery was currently underway.

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All 10 batteries are due for delivery by 2013, and further orders from Pakistan could follow, Perfetti said. MBDA Italia is the Finmeccanica-owned Italian operation within the European missile house MBDA.

"We have identified 95 percent of the offset arrangements on the Spada contract," said Perfetti, who added that offset was less than the full value of the contract. "A facility has already been set aside for munition assembly and other firms have been given work commitments."

MBDA is also pitching an extended range version of its Marte anti-ship missile to India, for likely use on Sea King helicopters. The normal range, Marte Mk2-S version has now been delivered to the Italian Navy.

"We started talking to the Indian Navy two years ago and we are obtaining an operational requirement for helicopters to serve as a base for future cooperation," said MBDA CEO Antoine Bouvier, who was holding a press conference in Rome alongside Perfetti.

"We are considering launching a demonstrator that could be ready in 18-24 months," Perfetti said. "The model for this fast, low risk approach was the Complex Weapons program in the UK."

"We are looking for export customers interested in upgrade versions of products," Bouvier said. "We see it as a way of partly funding upgrades that our national customers could be interested in. The extended range Marte is an example."

MBDA Italia is also working with Italy's Alenia Aermacchi to mount the Marte missile on the light combat fighter version of the firm's M-346 jet trainer, Perfetti said.

MBDA Italia saw revenue of 450 million euros in 2009, 17.3 percent of total group revenues of 2.6 billion euros. The Italian unit's orders constituted 25 percent of the group order book, Perfetti said. Return on Sales in Italy was lower than the ten percent recorded at group level, he added, without giving the percentage. Spending on research and development at MBDA Italia rose by 60 percent last year.

MBDA's Italian operation is also working on the MEADS missile defense system launched by the U.S., Germany and Italy. Bouvier said the Critical Design Review at system level should be completed by mid-year.

"We have a contract that runs up to the Review and we have now started discussions on a production contract," he said.

Bouvier played down continuing doubts over the program in the U.S.

"We think this program will be strongly supported in the context of Transatlantic cooperation," he said. "We expect all milestones to be met in 2010," said Perfetti.

i think we can expect some good news finally. We have been listening about this for some years now and finally something physical might be soon on charts!

regadrs
 
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High tech air defence system to be integrated into PAF in next few days
ISLAMABAD: State of the art air defence system will be integrated into Pakistan Air Force (PAF) within a few days.

Defence sources told this news agency that air defence system had been named SPADA and Pakistan had acquired it from Italy. This system will become fully operational next week and it will help boost capabilities of PAF.

Sources told radar system had also been modernized in the new air defence system and it would enhance the combat might of PAF.

A special ceremony would be held in the next week for inclusion of this system in PAF. Air Chief Marshall Rao Qamar had already informed president Asif Ali Zardari and prime minister Syed Yousuf Raza Gilani about this system and they had also said new air defence system was need of the country.

ONLINE - International News Network

regards!
 
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I've to dig old thread, I read the thread from 1st page to last one no where anyone mentioned how many batteries Pakistan is acquiring.

So for the purpose of informing members. And an old but relevant article.

Source Jane's Defense
MBDA advances Spada 2000 Plus integration for Pakistan, SURFACE-TO-AIR


MBDA Italia is moving ahead with production and integration activities for 10 Spada 2000 Plus air defense batteries destined for the Pakistan Air Force ahead of a first acceptance firing scheduled for later in 2010.


Pakistan confirmed its order for Spada 2000 Plus in 2007 in a deal reported to be worth EUR415 million (USD572 million). Based around the Aspide 2000 semi-active guided surface-to-air missile, the complete Spada 2000 system comprises a detection centre (using the Selex Sistemi Integrati RAC-3D air surveillance radar) and up to four firing sections. Each of the latter will consist of a fire control centre (FCC) and a number of missile launcher units armed with six ready-to-fire Aspide 2000 missiles.
 
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