Pakistan to skip US summit on democracy

[Mav3rick]

Yes, USA gave tremendous boost to Pakistan, but in return USA squeeze every drop of blood.

No, it did not. It never asked us to do more than what we easily could manage.

There is no free lunch in this world. One has to do service for the money and material.
Now China is doing, but not the destruction of the system.

The biggest difference is that the US just gives the money when you serve her interests whereas China loans you a small amount on interest. Not just that, for all the CPEC projects, China sends her own manpower and machinery which benefits us in no way whereas the US would have provided training to locals and would have invested in Pakistani resources. China is slowly making us a slave whereas the US simply demanded we become obedient friends.

 

[SIPRA]

And so began the Struggle for the AsianCentury and New Security Architecture of AfroAsian GeoEconomics.

Now the there will be Acceleration of Struggle and Pakistan needs to be ready to suffer a bit more.

It will be foolish to believe that we have become Independent somehow after our AbsolutelyNot!

Nay, the painful, bloody and gruesome Struggle that started in 1850 is now entering its Final Phase. Do or Die

Yes, its the EconomyStupid... school of thought has valid point to a degree... though nobody bothers to tell what Economy and for whom?

The Road to Freedom is spiked with Titanium Thornes... and walk we must.... @SIPRA

The Key lies in PakPositiveNationalism.... starting with Industry and Education... @peagle

The current Structure of PakState doesn't allow itself to have long term Plans.... yes, we have SPD... but that is defensive.

The Comprehensive National Strength is NOT in Shaheen2 or Nasr or anyother WeaponSystem...

The Comprehensive National Strength is in Capability in All Aspects of ModernEconomy and SoldState Structure.

In 2047 we shall be celeberating the 100th IndependenceDay.... Is there a Plan for Pakistan by that date?

What Must be Pakistan on the Morning of 14th August 2047?

We can feel some tough pride in declinging the Yanks by not joining the PridePrade of 'Democracy' .... what is our Plan?

How many nm Chips foundaries will we achieve by 2047?

What will be our Scientific and Technology Output?

What will be our SpaceMission Capabilities?

What would be the level of Educational output?

In the end its us who can or cann't determine the Future and Independence of Pakistan?

The Chinese Model of Development is not a Copy/Paste job.... can the PakState implement it?

Naturally, the Current DecliningHegemon is Desperate to shape the Future of AsianCentury to its liking... this the nature of PowerPolitics... it doesn't have Morality or Ethics... Only Rhetoric!

The Race for Eurasian Consolidation and Capturing ASEAN is on... only now in greater acceleration.

We can talk all we wish about our StrategicLocation...but Location has Zero Value if its not coverted to Benefits.

So far we have sacrificed PakBlood, Treasure and the Future of OurPeople... some StrategicLocation this!

We need Clarity and Execution of StrategicPlans for Comprehensive National Strength... we don't need Slogans.... We need Rubbies and Emerals... Saphires and Moonstones... @StormBreaker

This SoftState has to correct itself otherwise... DeathAwaits us all!

Mangus

Great post, Paa Jee, but:

"Kaun sunta hae fughaan e darvaish
Qehr e darvaish ba jaan e darvaish"

 

[Ghessan]

Then why are we at ease with Saudi Arabia which has caused more Muslim deaths than even the US? Most of the US wars are financed by Saudi Arabia and UAE but we are so at ease with them. The Middle East must have invested Trillions of USD in the US with their purchase of Weapons, Comfort and Protection; they are responsible for financing a major chunk of the US's and France's Weapons industry but we have no problem with them. Then why should we have problems with the US?

they are paying the price of handing over their security to US

With so much distrust between us, it would take decades to build confidence. Once that is built, on both sides, the US would absolutely help us as it has helped all her allies.

And while we do that, we need to end enmity with India too as it is NOT benefiting any party, not Pakistan, nor India or Kashmir. We should be willing to accept that occupied Kashmir is never coming back and India should accept that Azad Kashmir is never going back; the LoC must be made a permanent IB and the 2 neighbors should learn to grow with trade and commerce like France and England and many other European countries did.

since so many years we are looking for that trust building, lets see if our kids grow up with it. but you seems to me giving up on everything, your point of view your wish.

 

[RoadRunner401]

Tens of Billions of USD in direct financial assistance. Technical assistance on many matters especially military related. Offer of sale of advanced military equipment such as F-16's, Abraham's, Corvettes/Frigates, Helicopters, Armaments etc, All the hurrah's that we have from battles/wars is because of US equipment. Trainings of almost all the senior most Military Officers. Drawing a red line over the integrity of East Pakistan in 1971 through their CBG's. Assistance (financial & material) in combating the Soviet Union in Afghanistan etc.





It was not a fight the US imposed on Pakistan, it was a fight that Pakistan imposed on the US and the US begrudgingly obliged after years of coercion. We were already involved in Afghanistan much earlier and it took a lot of persuasion to bring the US to the fight. I find it strange that people blame the US for a fight that we started. The only thing that the US demanded from us was to not pursue Nuclear Weapons and we did; the US looked the other way as long as it's purpose was served in our war against the Soviet Union but it could not look away any more once its interests were served. Again, blame ourselves.

Even before they returned, they demanded help from Pakistan, absolute support in Afghanistan. India offered support which was declined. What we did was to stab them in the back, thinking that the Talibaan were in our interest. The US only allowed India to start it's games in Afghanistan after years of deceit from Pakistan and not before giving Pakistan every opportunity and every benefit of doubt! The US finally got frustrated with us and then evidently decided to punish us directly (Salala, OBL, FATF etc.) and indirectly (Indian & Afghan Proxy Wars against Pakistan). If only we had truly aligned ourselves to the US, we would neither be shamed throughout the world, we wouldn't be in a financial mess and we wouldn't be beaten and bruised diplomatically. On the contrary, we would have global support against India. Alas, we effed everything up.

HOLY SHIT!!!!!! You make Husain Haqqani look like a Patriot...

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

No, it did not. It never asked us to do more than what we easily could manage.





The biggest difference is that the US just gives the money when you serve her interests whereas China loans you a small amount on interest. Not just that, for all the CPEC projects, China sends her own manpower and machinery which benefits us in no way whereas the US would have provided training to locals and would have invested in Pakistani resources. China is slowly making us a slave whereas the US simply demanded we become obedient friends.

F**K OFF america.

 

[Jungibaaz]

Let's hope this useless empty posturing doesn't cost us.

 

[Mav3rick]

since so many years we are looking for that trust building, lets see if our kids grow up with it. but you seems to me giving up on everything, your point of view your wish.

Are you trying to say that by acceding to the US demands to their face and double dealing with them behind their backs was all to build trust with them?

HOLY SHIT!!!!!! You make Husain Haqqani look like a Patriot...

By being honest?

F**K OFF america.

Yeah good one, however, next time, say that when you relocate back to Pakistan!!!

 

[Dalit]

Thank you, Pakistan. We appreciate.

Iron brothers China and Pakistan.

I like these discussions. The more we have them the better. The US is an enemy of Pakistan. Every US action is betrayal and duplicity. The more awareness there is against US behavior among Pakistanis the better.

China needs to really step up now and make sure that US influence in Pakistan is burried deep under the ground. China has a golden opportunity to make a fist of things. US credibility among Pakistanis is extremely low. We need massive trade with China. Time has come that China replaces the US as top export destination. Both the government of Pakistan and China need to address this ASAP.

HOLY SHIT!!!!!! You make Husain Haqqani look like a Patriot...

We have a handful of American bootlicker fanatics. These are not friends of Pakistan. Luckily the vast majority of Pakistanis are fully aware of US designs against Pakistan.

 

[SaadH]

Let's hope this useless empty posturing doesn't cost us.

As if we are sailing smoothly and US is not harming our interest at all international forums.

 

[K_Bin_W]

HOLY SHIT!!!!!! You make Husain Haqqani look like a Patriot...

Absolutely... The guy doesn't know what is he talking about.....

 

[Ghessan]

Are you trying to say that by acceding to the US demands to their face and double dealing with them behind their backs was all to build trust with them?

no

 

[ghazi52]

'Pakistan not in position to deprive itself of any forum': Bilawal on skipping US democracy summit

Dawn.com
December 13, 2021

PPP Chairman Bilawal Bhutto-Zardari speaks to the media in Karachi on Monday. — DawnNewsTV


Chairman Bilawal Bhutto-Zardari said on Monday that Pakistan should not have skipped the US-hosted virtual summit on democracy.

More than 100 nations, including Pakistan, were invited to the two-day virtual summit on Dec 9-10. China, the United States' principal rival, was not invited but Taiwan was.

Pakistan did not attend the summit after earlier issuing a vague statement which said that Islamabad would like to engage with Washington on the issue of democracy “at an opportune time in the future”.

Responding to a question from a reporter while addressing a press conference in Karachi, Bilawal said that Pakistan was not in a position to "deprive" itself of any forum.

"Even if an ally raises objections, we can raise their views and our views [at the forum] but we should never cede space." The PPP chairman said that in his opinion, this was a "mistake" at a foreign policy level.

Last week, Prime Minister Imran Khan also said Pakistan desired not be a part of any political bloc but instead wanted to play its role in bridging gaps between the US and China.

Addressing the Islamabad Conclave 2021, which had the theme "Peaceful and Prosperous South Asia", the prime minister said: "The situation is going towards a [new] Cold War and blocs are forming.

"Pakistan should try its best to stop the formation of these blocs because we should not become a part of any bloc," he said.

 

[Ghessan]

'Pakistan not in position to deprive itself of any forum': Bilawal on skipping US democracy summit

it's his previous visits to US that are speaking.

 

[OIO]

China hopes that Pakistan and China will stand upright in the center of the world stage together. There are no conspiracies and tricks here.