Pakistan to purchase latest fighter planes, submarines: Tanveer

[Basel]

listen its not that we cant have it , but there is no reason to buy Su-30's when we can have more blk52 F-16s which is equal to Su-30 , a little better in some ways , and PAF loves operating F-16's , and also cant deny the fact for easy maintenance and cheap ...
now think for a second if we buy su-30's today it will definitely cost us $$ a lot of them , ok a little bit less time for training , but we do still have to train our Pilots right ? and hopefully PAF will ask for a updated su-30 according to PAF needs ... possibility ...what we are looking to get a 5th gen platform , there is no reason to add another 4+ gen fighter ,
we have to save $$ for some 5th gen fighter , possibly FC-31

Su-30s advance versions are more advance and powerful then F-16 block-52s, they have their advantages which F-16s can't provide, PAF need long range heavy jet now, PN needs protection in deep sea from IAF & IN and their main asset P-3s need escorts which only Su-3x series can provide better.

One more thing is that military sanction like 90s from US are on the horizon, if you google you will find out, that is why PAF need advance jets which can take role of F-16s in case of sanctions.

 

[Irfan Baloch]

You are right. The PAF has realized that it does need to rewrite its doctrine and get a few twin turbine jets. The long term goal is unachievable with so much fire power on India's end. The heavies are needed the most. Plus one squadron in Peshawar can run a third layer of interdiction when the first two fail. That's huge with tremendous firepower in the shape of BVR missiles.
SU-35/37 will present a huge boost to the PAF, specially around Gawader and Karachi area countering the IN. JFT can supplement it with -16's but neither one can really take on the role by themselves.

question is. would that sale be cleared for Pakistan? I doubt it
the source of the news is a political leader who lacks basic knowledge of the military hardware.

PAF was / is not running away from this kind of fighter jets and also they provide the required capabilities along with F-16s & JF-17s, PAF can use them like Israel use their F-15s or PAF had used their F-104s, just imagine a full squardren in Peshawar & Karachi will do in defensive / offensive ops of PAF?? how much boost PAF will get and give to PN? PAF will be able to provide proper cover to PN at long distances putting IN's carrier at risk if they try to block sea lines as Su-35 are better then Mig-29Ks, from Peshawar & Karachi those birds can cover all Pakistan for air defense need of high end jet.

I dont disagree on principle what you are saying but it is embarrassing to raise hopes on a statement by a politician where even a MoU is not signed for all its worth.

 

[rockstar08]

Su-30s advance versions are more advance and powerful then F-16 block-52s, they have their advantages which F-16s can't provide, PAF need long range heavy jet now, PN needs protection in deep sea from IAF & IN and their main asset P-3s need escorts which only Su-3x series can provide better.

One more thing is that military sanction like 90s from US are on the horizon, if you google you will find out, that is why PAF need advance jets which can take role of F-16s in case of sanctions.

in that case why not go and get some J series from China , more reliable than Russians right ??
they can provide us with soft loans , and a little bit cheaper. .

 

[Icewolf]

PAF should go for J-16 instead if Su-30

 

[dexter]

If this is true then .....

 

[Selous]

Aah...mazah agaya

 

[Viper0011.]

question is. would that sale be cleared for Pakistan? I doubt it
the source of the news is a political leader who lacks basic knowledge of the military hardware.

Yes, it has to be. There are many factors. This is a win-win situation for the Russians and for the Pakistanis. There is no other country at this time and outside of the Western influence, connected with road to China and Russia (and India and Central Asia), that has about $ 50 billion worth of investment incoming. This will put the Pakistani economy on vertical climb, starting in the next 2-3 years. You'll start to see it.
What happens then? The need for Oil and Gas will increase two folds. Russia wants to capture that market. It can supply Pakistan with cheap oil and not hurt as much due to the Europeans not buying it. So, they get multi-billion and more by selling oil, gas and other services to Pakistan. And Pakistan THEN pays a few billions for nice toys like the SU-37 and BVR and SAMs.
Guess what? This is a strategic relationship. Pakistan can't quit buying gas from Russia as it'll need advance weapons and it'll expand trade with the Russians. Russians on the other hand, will make money both ways, by selling gas and by selling weapons. So yea..everything will be cleared as the time passes.

India has too much Western competition inside of it. What remains out of competition from the West is the high speed rail links and infrastructure. The Chinese and Japanese are masters at that. No place for Russia. Plus, the Indians want to start building and selling advance weapons based on Western designs. So Russian defense industry will eventually take a hit in starting in the next 5-8 years. So why lose the moment to become part of one of the faster growing economies linked directly by road or a few hours of flight and get a huge profit out of that market, which offers more money and less competition....

 

[Beast]

PAF should go for J-16 instead if Su-30

The problem is J-16 is not for export. China has agreement with Russia not to export any of their flanker lineage.

Chinese flanker family will end up only for Chinese market.

 

[Echo_419]

If they buy Su-35 im all for it. Technically the biggest wishlist item from Russia is S-400.

Why SU-35 I thought you wanted to go straight for J-20/31

 

[Viper0011.]

listen its not that we cant have it , but there is no reason to buy Su-30's when we can have more blk52 F-16s which is equal to Su-30 , a little better in some ways , and PAF loves operating F-16's , and also cant deny the fact for easy maintenance and cheap ...

As much as PAF loves the -16's, the US loves to sell them to allies for a good price tag. It is the best jet in its class with over 4 decades of combat proven, successful record. No one can deny that fact about the Viper.
However, Pakistan's needs are changing and their airforce officials have started to realize that. They need heavies, with BVR truck loading capability as well as munitions truck capability. Plus, the area around the Ocean (Pakistan's future trade routes) will need longer range protection and heavies again. JFT and the -16 can supplement but neither can take on the role to deter the IN by a couple of squadrons.
Add one or two of SU-37 squadrons, the task is done VERY nicely. In fact, it almost puts the Naval side on par with a larger IN. That's the need of the hour. But, Pakistan needs to acquire as many used -16's as possible (with MLU), that's just tremendous capability for such a small price tag. That should be done without thinking as the US has surplus since the JSF is rolling out. Add the JFT (advanced version to the mix) and you got a hell of air force with top line jets.

 

[Ali Q]

Sorry to say but we Pakistanis like to build expectations around bullshit....I will be happy if something like this goes through...but to be honest that guy knows nothing about whatever he is saying....Govt is in trouble and they are just trying to make people happy one way or another....

 

[rockstar08]

As much as PAF loves the -16's, the US loves to sell them to allies for a good price tag. It is the best jet in its class with over 4 decades of combat proven, successful record. No one can deny that fact about the Viper.
However, Pakistan's needs are changing and their airforce officials have started to realize that. They need heavies, with BVR truck loading capability as well as munitions truck capability. Plus, the area around the Ocean (Pakistan's future trade routes) will need longer range protection and heavies again. JFT and the -16 can supplement but neither can take on the role to deter the IN by a couple of squadrons.
Add one or two of SU-37 squadrons, the task is done VERY nicely. In fact, it almost puts the Naval side on par with a larger IN. That's the need of the hour. But, Pakistan needs to acquire as many used -16's as possible (with MLU), that's just tremendous capability for such a small price tag. That should be done without thinking as the US has surplus since the JSF is rolling out. Add the JFT (advanced version to the mix) and you got a hell of air force with top line jets.

yes i agree with you , and you are right about that once the Gawadar port is completely functional , we need to protect our trade routes from IN , and those heavies will do the job , but i have a question here that if we have to buy one new platform lets say su-35, than why not buy j-11 or j-15,16 from China ?? they are cheaper and no worries about spare parts etc ..
chinese can give us in cheaper price as well , and that will do the same job ..

 

[Viper0011.]

yes i agree with you , and you are right about that once the Gawadar port is completely functional , we need to protect our trade routes from IN , and those heavies will do the job , but i have a question here that if we have to buy one new platform lets say su-35, than why not buy j-11 or j-15,16 from China ?? they are cheaper and no worries about spare parts etc ..chinese can give us in cheaper price as well , and that will do the same job ..

The Chinese have a huge defense related relationship with Russia. I think if I remembered correctly, there was an agreement between the Chinese and the Russians that the Chinese won't sell the Flanker derivatives to anyone else. The copy of their SU-27 platform to J-11 was merely tolerated by the Russians but these assurances came in and the copy issue was let go.
Plus, the SU-37 is an extremely modern jet. The Chinese have tried to copy it as the J-16, but they are still testing out the tech. While the Russians can just go ahead and sell the package as they've already tested it.
I'd really like to see PAF thinking about more used -16's with MLU and perhaps some -15's too. I think that way, the PAF can remain US focused. But I think the PAF's high command wants to diversify due to sanction related issues and thus the Russians in the picture.

 

[Sine Nomine]

AAo na Pakistan KHUSHBOOOO laga k

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Never think of me i price up to 65 million USD.

Add one or two of SU-37 squadrons

Su 37 is not in Production.

 

[pumkinduke]

HA!!! where are the Indian members who were going bananas when I mentioned that Pakistan and Russia will cross weapons purchases over a couple of billions within 12 - 24 months and that it would include Jets, SAMS and BVRs, a few months ago in a thread??

Twin turbines are coming to the PAF. Much needed capability. SU-35 would be a better option to go for. I would say, purchasing weapons from Russia should not mean to ignore a Fifth Gen Stealthy platform, may be through China. That will be much needed in the next 3-5 years for sure.

all latest planes are a better option for u..
buying su-35 ?
do u even have the money for it.....paisa kidhar hai miya?
chutte "change" main toh nahi longe na ?
and with india in the equation russia wont even think of proposing u that thought, cause india is a cash cow for them and let alone the long friendship we have, yes if u guys somehow surpass us in pumping mils of $ to russia then thats a diffrent story,
but thats immposible in this decade.Till then cut the wet dreams and come back to the real world..