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Pakistan to purchase latest fighter planes, submarines: Tanveer

After getting Su-35 (if news is true) PAF will not need new jet for at least 10 years and PAK FA will be entering in full production at that time, and our economy is improving with huge investments coming from China, Qatar, UK, Russia and few other countries so PAF will be able to afford 5th gen fighter, its not necessary that PAF will go for J-31/FC-31.

Defense minister did not specify the jet which Pakistan will be purchasing from Russia it could be Su-30 or Su-35 or even Mig-35, but which ever jet will be purchased it will be PAF's first 4++ gen jet adding more what F-16s have provided.
First there is no way we are getting SU-35 not even any other Russian Fighter Jet we will get attack helicopters may be 30 MI-28 to even if we would go for third 4th Generation Fighter Jet along with F-16 and JF-17 Thunder it would be J-10 B and I am having a feeling J-10 B would soon return to the list and we would go for it but not SU-35 not even close.
 
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oh yaar im not military man either neither im radical. But yr country has really disappointed us here in the last decade when we were pursuing for peace that Mushy himself had established . So whats why we have almost completely eradicated those vulnerable militants from our soil who were used by the americans and have spared only those who r fully under our command. But now with these radicals being in yr helm of affairs and they have a lot of influence over yr bureaucracy both military and civil who in tern have a significant influence of west in them since RSS was made by british themselves in 1917 to counter Muslim Guards who were themselves fascists. But after the independence we had dismantled them but india didnt do this with RSS and that indira gandhi being instrumental in breaking of pak and now with Modi being yr PM and Gen Suhag as yr CAOS. Both these are in the direct alliance with them is a big concern for us being pakistanis and specially Modi snubbing us from just talks for kashmir which will actually bring peace because like u said ''proxy war'' is yr problem so being pakistani our problem with india is kashmir because of which all this happen. But u choose to live in yr own superiority complex because of bigger economy and size then obviously u leave us with no choice. Because pakistan is no bangladesh or nepal or any other SAARC country we do have the capability and the capacity to severely damage u.

Still we had gone in pursuit for peace with u and was done by no other then Mushy but what u did with us? Left us empty handed and on top of that build dams on our waters and even asked World Bank not to give us loans to build our own dams to tackle the energy crisis in our country which in turn benefit our innocent people. Yr country now is not of Nehru or Gandhi's its of those radicals like Sardar Patel whom Modi, RSS guys worship. So now we have realized that the best way to deal with u is through wars and proxies as of now so that in future u may agree with peace (kashmir) and our much awaited trade and transit with india can become effective. So as of now proxy wars is all u will get so that yr people dont get brainwashed by them and a vision for a common good can become a reality in yr country.

So as far as pakistan's relations with other regional countries are concern we are building them equally and trying to grow this region as a whole regardless of india is with us or not. Here have a look at the latest.........Our strategists now will not repeat the past mistakes........
Pak, Iran to expand cooperation in trade, economy

Let me repeat again, we as the citizens of our country will do whatever is in the best of interests of our country first them anything else.

can u pls tel me how come all your posts are present in this thread and all my post got deleted ?
thou we had a healthy and civilised debate hear..
 
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can u pls tel me how come all your posts are present in this thread and all my post got deleted ?
thou we had a healthy and civilised debate hear..
no yaar it was because of Mr He Man. He was trolling i reported him so Horus cleaned the pages and deleted the posts in reply to him or that he found offensive including yrs.

lets start again

here @pumkinduke Pakistan signs CASA hydel power accord u guys could have been part of this too. Since now Pak wont buy electricity from india that Manmohan Singh gov proposed.

In the end its u who are left alone and isolated specially after SAARC debacle.
 
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Won't believe in anything until deal is inked & final.
 
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See @orangzaib and @Irfan Baloch our strategists are balancing the relations.Pak, Iran to expand cooperation in trade, economy This will keep open the hope of IP gas pipeline and this for electricity..........Pakistan signs CASA hydel power accord. Because im not very sure of TAPI specially because of Turkmenistan there who is under a lot of israeli and american influence lately and has not really agreed with Russia on future EuroAsia Union.

This in turn will ensure a stable Pakistani economy along with Nuclear Energy from China with TOT. All in all the strategy is to keep the entire region growing economically in order to maintain a stable growth in long term. I think of myself as Heinz Guderian of International Relations for a reason.:lol:

Now jokes aside what is needed is a steady and slow economic growth of just 4% in the short to medium term and if that growth reaches to lets say 5-6% or even more is just bonus.
 
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no yaar it was because of Mr He Man. He was trolling i reported him so Horus cleaned the pages and deleted the posts in reply to him or that he found offensive including yrs.

lets start again

here @pumkinduke Pakistan signs CASA hydel power accord u guys could have been part of this too. Since now Pak wont buy electricity from india that Manmohan Singh gov proposed.

In the end its u who are left alone and isolated specially after SAARC debacle.

i think we should jst stick to the current threads topic and not stray away from it, myb we wil discuss othr stuffs in the relivent thread...:)
 
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UCC- Uniform Civil Code. Like lots of advantages a hindu or sikh or jain women can enjoy, but not a muslim women. She cant even claim alimony in courts. She doesnt have rights on property.

I dont know what the hell women right groups, liberal Indians doing. Why they didnt raising this issue, and why not they asking for UCC.
Yaar islam has its own laws that are there in yr muslim personal act. U just need to study more abt it in order to know. Even in pakistan our constitution has different family laws for non muslims depending on their religious teachings.
 
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All 16 pages are related to one aspect only to put pressure on USA to give Pakistan the F15C's that are going to be reduced in 2015 along with some other close air support helicopters.
 
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Mig-35
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Su-35
which is better

Su-35 is even better then IAF's current MKIs and after upgrade Super Sukhoi-30s will remain inferior in range and some other aspects.

Mig-35 has 14 issues as per IAF's MMRCA report, but those can be rectified by the manufacturer also it is 4++ gen fighter which makes is better then our F-16s, therefore with TOT it will be good to have as front line fighter supplementing F-16 (as they are prone to sanctions).

Su-35 obviously beter than mig35 but Pakistan doesn't in need of Russia fighter. eventhough Russian defense analysts are suggesting that Russia should offer mig35 to Pakistan.

Man, Russia still have some really good weapons systems which China is still mastering and other then both of those countries, US & West will not sell to Pakistan. Su-35 or updated Mig-35 with TOT will be big boost for PAF as later will be easier to maintain due to engine similarities with JF-17s and Mig-35s advance features could end up in JF-17s too.

Only thing is that which bird Minister of Defense Production was referring too? when he said that Pakistan will purchase advance fighter jets from Russia.
 
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Su-35 is even better then IAF's current MKIs and after upgrade Super Sukhoi-30s will remain inferior in range and some other aspects.

Mig-35 has 14 issues as per IAF's MMRCA report, but those can be rectified by the manufacturer also it is 4++ gen fighter which makes is better then our F-16s, therefore with TOT it will be good to have as front line fighter supplementing F-16 (as they are prone to sanctions).



Man, Russia still have some really good weapons systems which China is still mastering and other then both of those countries, US & West will not sell to Pakistan. Su-35 or updated Mig-35 with TOT will be big boost for PAF as later will be easier to maintain due to engine similarities with JF-17s and Mig-35s advance features could end up in JF-17s too.

Only thing is that which bird Minister of Defense Production was referring too? when he said that Pakistan will purchase advance fighter jets from Russia.

The whole Noon League government is a big joke. Do you think Khawaja Asif know anything about defense?
Country is bankrupt and we are talking about Russian fighter ToT deals? Even if Russia is willing to sell military hardware worth 2 billion dollars on soft loan, Pakistan will not just buy anything.

What can Pakistan buy for 2 billion? Options...., Air defense/SAM system (mid to high altitude), Mi-17, Mi-35, maybe Mi-28 (in small #s) and Engine/transmission for Tank, maybe some sub-systems.
 
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The whole Noon League government is a big joke. Do you think Khawaja Asif know anything about defense?
Country is bankrupt and we are talking about Russian fighter ToT deals? Even if Russia is willing to sell military hardware worth 2 billion dollars on soft loan, Pakistan will not just buy anything.

What can Pakistan buy for 2 billion? Options...., Air defense/SAM system (mid to high altitude), Mi-17, Mi-35, maybe Mi-28 (in small #s) and Engine/transmission for Tank, maybe some sub-systems.

How you know that Pakistan is going to buy $2 billion stuff?? Do you know that Pakistan can pay by other means if Pakistan want to buy stuff from Russia?? also China can finance these deals too, remember that in next few years big investments are coming Pakistan's way and economy will kick start, China will not let Pakistan down because it is in their strategic interest that is whey they are putting $46 billion also UK, Qatar and other countries are ready to invest billions of $$ in Pakistan also for next few years oil prices will remain low allowing govt. to save money and give some relief to people, I don't care who is ruling Pakistan, what I want that our national interest should be taken care of well.

All those Pakistanis who underestimate growth potential and resources of their countries should learn / know about their country first. Pakistan is mismanaged and badly governed but it does not mean that it don' have resources.
 
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