Pakistan to induct S400 and Pantsir-S1 SAM and Igla-S ManPAD Systems for Air Defence

[khanasifm]

 

[Super Falcon]

We lack proper air defence umbrella for our country

 

[CriticalThought]

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Before we question the efficacy of Russian hardware against Israeli birds, we need to ask the question: was there a political will to act?

 

[YeBeWarned]

We lack proper air defence umbrella for our country

We have Average Defense Coverage ..
HQ-16 ----- 6 to 9 Batteries
HQ-2 -----
SPADA 2000
FM-90
MANPAD's
SWISS AA Automatic Guns

 

[Ace of Spades]

Here we go again; we don't need to acquire jack shit right now. We need to invest in Education and eliminate corruption and build institutions. These things will bring us on our feet. Economically, socially, militarily and politically. R&D will occur only and only then resulting in indigenization and cash flow; then we can buy whatever we want. I listened to the whole discussion of Khwaja Asif in united states institute of peace. Regardless of my political views; the guy talked well. But the only take-home point of the whole discussion was that in 15 years time period from now on we WILL become irrelevant (if the state of affairs will stay the same). We can be optimistic about CPEC but pragmatically speaking the way our institutions have ceased to work because of nepotism, uneducated literates making policies; i will not be surprised even if after CPEC we will not be able to harvest any fruits of it and mark my words some politicians will be giving statements against china and what not to save their corruption. If having weaponry is the only solution to the problem all the past greatest empires would never fall.

 

[CriticalThought]

Here we go again; we don't need to acquire jack shit right now. We need to invest in Education and eliminate corruption and build institutions. These things will bring us on our feet. Economically, socially, militarily and politically. R&D will occur only and only then resulting in indigenization and cash flow; then we can buy whatever we want. I listened to the whole discussion of Khwaja Asif in united states institute of peace. Regardless of my political views; the guy talked well. But the only take-home point of the whole discussion was that in 15 years time period from now on we WILL become irrelevant (if the state of affairs will stay the same). We can be optimistic about CPEC but pragmatically speaking the way our institutions have ceased to work because of nepotism, uneducated literates making policies; i will not be surprised even if after CPEC we will not be able to harvest any fruits of it and mark my words some politicians will be giving statements against china and what not to save their corruption. If having weaponry is the only solution to the problem all the past greatest empires would never fall.

Not disagreeing, but without decent air defence, we will cease to exist as a country even.

 

[Ace of Spades]

Not disagreeing, but without decent air defence, we will cease to exist as a country even.

In my opinion (which can be wrong) having minimum deterrence is the requirement. And we have that due to our missile tech and close proximity to india; having okish air defense would do for now, even for next 20 years. But after that our economic gap will swell exponentially compared to India; they will acquire new tech. What are we gonna do then? still trying to figure out if America will approve f16 sale or russia for Su-35. s400 or thaad. That's not the solution to our problem. We will cease to exist as a country only if we will not take education, institution building and corruption seriously.

 

[CriticalThought]

In my opinion (which can be wrong) having minimum deterrence is the requirement. And we have that due to our missile tech and close proximity to india; having okish air defense would do for now, even for next 20 years. But after that our economic gap will swell exponentially compared to India; they will acquire new tech. What are we gonna do then? still trying to figure out if America will approve f16 sale or russia for Su-35. s400 or thaad. That's not the solution to our problem. We will case to exist as a country only if we will not take education, institution building and corruption seriously.

Both are equally important and can be achieved in parallel. With the S-400 you have a functional arm of the government. With education etc you have non-functional arms.

 

[Ace of Spades]

Both are equally important and can be achieved in parallel.

I agree that both are equally important; only if corruption is managed and institutions work, we can acquire these systems. But since that's not the case, we don't have enough resources for everything. And in my humble opinion education is the key to this problem. The more people will be educated the more they will question and things move along with it, fixing everything in it's path.

 

[CriticalThought]

I agree that both are equally important; only if corruption is managed and institutions work, we can acquire these systems. But since that's not the case, we don't have enough resources for everything. And in my humble opinion education is the key to this problem. The more people will be educated the more they will question and things move along with it, fixing everything in it's path.

I was having a discussion on another thread. These corrupt politicians are controlling what is taught at schools. @GIANTsasquatch narrates how beacon house stopped teaching contemporary history to avoid hurting the sensitivities of zardari.

 

[Ace of Spades]

I was having a discussion on another thread. These corrupt politicians are controlling what is taught at schools. @GIANTsasquatch narrates how beacon house stopped teaching contemporary history to avoid hurting the sensitivities of zardari.

Sad; but bro these politicians can only reach to their arm's length. Some may lean forward to have a bit of extra reach. It's the institutions who have been destroyed. If there was any educational regulatory body working then it would not be what you are telling; even after that, if with some influence they manage to get these things done; accountability courts and investigation agencies comes in the picture but again that didn't happen. So it's not just politicians, it's uneducated literates making policies "BABUs of the offices" who don't do shit when in office. Lack vision and empathy. All they care is sarkari car and bungalow, free petrol and protocol. And all day long sahab stays in meetings...

 

[ashok321]

Russia to supply S-400 missile system to India: Why Pakistan, China should worry

http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/...sile-system-to-india-modi-putin/1/969057.html

 

[Super Falcon]

We lack proper air umbrella most our parts are on Indian mercy FM 90 Will defend our ground forces and remaining will defend air land sea bases nothing left to defend border to border we have big land to cover with 100 km radar coverage maximum we are sitting ducks we need proper restructuring of airdefence system with more numbers

PANTSIR
S350 vityaz
Aster
Can do wonders

We have Average Defense Coverage ..
HQ-16 ----- 6 to 9 Batteries
HQ-2 -----
SPADA 2000
FM-90
MANPAD's
SWISS AA Automatic Guns

 

[punit]

blast from past.

 

[ejaz007]

Its less than a year old thread. Weapons procurement is a painstaking job.

Remember your own MRCA tender which lasted for years and eventually did not materialize.