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Pakistan to buy old F-16s from Jordan - Chapter closed for new F-16s blk-52s from US

MIG 35, Used Mirrage 2009,

J-31 is decades away, nor its the priority of the Chinese.
Indian didn't let Russian to sell MIG-35 to Pakistan just remember 8 F-16 deal and Indian reaction, used Mirages is a nice idea but UAE no more interested in selling.
 
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  1. With the threat of ISIS at their doorstep I don't understand how come Jordan can sell us their front line fighter. Do they have plans of some new procurement?
  2. What would be the number we'll acquire?
  3. There were already news that Turkey would soon upgrade our jets may there were arrangements made for these jets before hand.
  4. Last of all is there any chance soon that we'll get our hands on the dutch or belgian F-16? Or may be Egyptian since Egypt has already decided to go for Rafale and Mig-35?
 
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getting the nod from the usa wont be a problem as remember congress approved the purchase of the jets but refused to use their own money. also its the obama administration will be the one making the decision. so in terms of approval it wont be a problem. as for numbers? theres 16 of them have are at adf standard
 
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PAF Plan Buy 2nd hand F-16 add new JF-17 and Wait for J-31 till 2024
J-31 Will be purchased in 2024 and induction into force and to make strategies will take further 3-4 years.. so it means that there will not be any other jet purchased in a decade to come...
and not forget that majority F-16s life left just for a decade and blk52 might be operational till 2040 and these are just 18..
JF-17 is lightweight, It cannot carry much load and J-31 is stealth and is just good for interception with its internal bays if load is placed on external hardpoints that means it is stealth any more..

we need a new Medium weight fighter jet which will work together with J-31 as a big bad boy...
 
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And if US disagree ??? and tell Jordan not to give those F-16's to PAF then what??

PAF Love with F-16's :mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:
Its a quick fix JF 17 is still without targeting pods and integrating j 10,s will take time and significant investment for the long run but still it would be better if the money was spent on JF 17,s and their upgradation our aim should be making JF 17 our main horse for COIN
 
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Purchase of F-16s from US a closed chapter: defence secretary
June 13, 2016

By: Samaa Web Desk

Published in Pakistan

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ISLAMABAD: Secretary Defence Lt General (Retd) Muhammad Alam Khattak Monday informed a joint sitting of Senate’s Standing Committees on Defence and Foreign Affairs that the purchasing of F-16 aircraft from the United States at subsidized rate was now a closed chapter.


Briefing the meeting, co-chaired by Chairman Senate Standing Committee on Defence Mushahid Hussain Sayed and Chairperson Senate Standing Committee on Foreign Affairs Nuzhat Sadiq, he said: “Now, we will go for other options to acquire the fighter jets.”

He said he would not go into details of the F-16s issue with the US as the aircraft would be now acquired through a third party.

The secretary elaborated that Pakistan would get the fighter jets from Jordan, besides exploring other options, including Russia and France.

Khattak said Pakistan always resolved the strategic issues strategically and thus it would be able to meet its defence needs.

Earlier in their opening remarks, Mushahid Hussain and Nuzhat Sadiq asked the concerned to get clarification from the government regarding the current status of Pakistan-US relations in the context of what was generally perceived as a drift in its foreign policy and national security.

Adviser to the Prime Minister on Foreign Affairs Sartaj Aziz urged the parliamentarians to give comprehensive and solid suggestions to further improve the foreign policy, especially with regard to the US.

Mushahid Hussain called for an effective role of foreign policy institutions like Foreign Office and Defence Committees.

The Adviser said China-Pakistan Economic Corridor (CPEC) was part of Pakistan’s strategic policy to maintain balance of power in the region.

Commenting on the committees’ members queries about the US strategic shift towards India, Sartaj said CPEC was a ‘counter and complimentary’ step of Pakistan.

He rejected the impression that Pakistan was isolated among the comity of nations. “The impression of Pakistan’s international isolation is not correct.”

Sartaj Aziz said Pakistan was following a foreign policy aimed at maintaining its relations with international community without compromising on its vital interests.

During last three years, the Adviser said winning the CPEC project was a big success of Pakistan, besides it became a member of Shanghai Cooperation Organization (SCO), developed increased bilateral relations with Central Asian as well as European states and Islamic countries.

He said India, seven-times bigger than Pakistan, was playing a frontline role in anti-Islam moves and offering its services against China and Muslims, especially after the 9/11 incident.

Commenting on the Haqqani network, the Adviser said Pakistan had underlined the need for improved Pak-Afghan border management and early repatriation of Afghan refugees to their homeland.

He said Pakistan would soon hire lobbyists in Washington to protect its interests and counter Indian propaganda.

Secretary Foreign Affairs Aizaz Ahmed Chaudhry apprised the body that Pakistan had categorically asked the United States to make its objectives clear as whether it wanted dialogue or war to achieve peace in Afghanistan.

He said the US representatives had been told that US drone strike killing Afghan Taliban leader Mullah Akhtar Mansour was a hasty move.

He said the US was oblivious of Pakistan’s security concerns, adding that ending drone strikes were on priority of the government’s agenda.

He said there could be no compromise with the United States on certain issues.

He said the United States had exhausted 16 years in war in Afghanistan and it was better if even six months were given to establish peace.

Aizaz Chaudhry mentioned that according to passport details, Mullah Mansour was travelling from Iran and the record of Iranian city Taftan in that regard was available as well.

However, he said Pakistan was investigating the veracity of the passport of Mullah Mansour, focusing on the fact as to why the document remained unburnt inside the charred car following the drone strike.

He said Pakistan had hosted the Afghan refugees for 30 years and called upon India and Iran being the “new friends of Afghanistan” to come forward to share that burden.

On halt of subsidized sale of F-16 jets to Pakistan, he said the US Congress played a major role in that regard.

He said the foreign policy of Pakistan was moving in the right direction and was formulated keeping in view the best national interests.

Relations of Pakistan and the United States were not always on same frequency and there were ups and downs, he said, adding Pakistan was trying to improve its ties with the US. –APP
 
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And that is Of course SU-35 Super Flanker....Nothing Else...!!
Well J 10 can also take that spot SU 35 will again get delays due to diplomatoc bitching by India but from what i remember J 10 was shelved for future FC 31 deal
 
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Can somebody eventually mention that what is the amount of "dollars" that are needed to induct and for maintenance and training and whatever a new platform like J 10, J16, Su35 etc?
Mind you J10 is better than JF 17 because even if JF17 gets all gadgets of J10, it will still be a light weight fighter whereas J 10 is a medium weight fighter like F 16.
However, it is highly recommended to increase the length of airframe and other components of JF 17 where necessary and make JF17 a medium weight fighter.
 
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PAF Plan Buy 2nd hand F-16 add new JF-17 and Wait for J-31 till 2024
And the induction of J-31 will take more 3-4 years and it will be 2028...And for sure India will have 250+ PAK FA's till then ....Aur ham beth k makhiyaan marein ge....

Well J 10 can also take that spot SU 35 will again get delays due to diplomatoc bitching by India but from what i remember J 10 was shelved for future FC 31 deal
J-10 is not much capable as Flanker....Pakistan Just requires some serious negotiations with Russia...

Can somebody eventually mention that what is the amount of "dollars" that are needed to induct and for maintenance and training and whatever a new platform like J 10, J16, Su35 etc?
Mind you J10 is better than JF 17 because even if JF17 gets all gadgets of J10, it will still be a light weight fighter whereas J 10 is a medium weight fighter like F 16.
However, it is highly recommended to increase the length of airframe and other components of JF 17 where necessary and make JF17 a medium weight fighter.
Just waste of money...Invest that money and make a JV with Turkey....nothing else is required....!!
 
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And the induction of J-31 will take more 3-4 years and it will be 2028...And for sure India will have 250+ PAK FA's till then ....Aur ham beth k makhiyaan marein ge....


J-10 is not much capable as Flanker....Pakistan Just requires some serous negotiations with Russia...


Just waste of money...Invest that money and make a JV with Turkey....nothing else is required....!!
PAK FA too has its own sets of issues
http://thediplomat.com/2016/01/indi...ve-dispute-over-fifth-generation-fighter-jet/
 
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Dude are those F-16's necessary.....
I think if we can get from Jordan at a cheaper price and get them upgraded, is not a bad idea at all. Listen it is not F-16 that's the issue here but the baggage which comes with it if we buy from USA. What I understand is that PAF needs a sizeable number of F-16s and JF-17s to bridge the gap with IAF until it is able to induct its next platform. ...that's what their thinking is in my opinion and I neither totally agree with this approach nor totally against it.
 
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Finally, now they can start looking for better options. Better late than never I guess.
 
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