Pakistan to acquire six submarines from China

[unicorn148]

No. Because as i read it chinese subs are far more cheaper than germans. I think i would be 1.5 to 2b maximum. I may add that Germans were offering 3 U-214 for 1b $, So even if Chinese subs are as expensive as U-214, then it would cost at maximum 2b$.

No the U214 cant be less than 500million $ because the AIP subs are costly and added the stealthy features it will be more

 

[IceCold]

So its a go then mashallah good news... we need this deal bad. However , then why the mix of news in another thread that states the cabinet refused PN request?

The standing committee on defense recommends things and they rejected it but the final decision is with the cabinet and they have given the go ahead. I just hope that we could manage funds in time for this deal as already there have been enough delays in the procurement of subs which is direly needed by the PN.

 

[alimobin memon]

thanks to allah !!!!

---------- Post added at 12:06 PM ---------- Previous post was at 12:06 PM ----------

i also like song class

 

[alimobin memon]

Cabinet okays talks with China for six submarines

* Expresses solidarity with Japanese earthquake victims, assures them of Pakistan’s support

Staff Report

ISLAMABAD: The federal cabinet on Monday gave a go ahead to the Defence Ministry for holding talks for the purchase of six state-of-the-art submarines from China to boost its under-sea warfare capabilities.

Minister for Information and Broadcasting, Dr Firdaus Ashiq Awan, told reporters after the cabinet meeting that Beijing had offered to sell submarines to Islamabad. The Ministry of Defence would hold talks for this purpose. Dr Firdaus said that at this stage it was not possible to share details as the process of preparation of the project’s feasibility had yet to be started.

She said that the cabinet expressed deep solidarity with the earthquake victims of Japan and assured the Japanese people and the government that Pakistan was with them in their hour of trial. She said that the government of Pakistan was ready to help the Japanese and would dispatch medical relief, mobile hospitals and all available resources to them.

Dr Firdaus informed that two C-130 planes were ready to leave for Japan and are waiting for clearance for take-off. She remarked that Pak-Japan friendship is time-tested, as Japan has always helped Pakistan when needed. “We have strong bonds of strategic and economic ties,” she said.

The minister said the cabinet also reviewed the implementation of its decisions by the ministries and made sure that no pending work was left. The recommendations of the Economic Coordination Committee (ECC) were fully endorsed by the cabinet, she added.

She informed that the cabinet also reviewed some memorandums of understanding (MoUs) with different countries.

These MoUs include the purchase of conventional submarines from China, which is part of defence cooperation between the two countries, she added. The minister informed media men that after consultations between the two countries, Pakistan would purchase six submarines from China.

The other MoUs include Pak-Turkey cooperation for the promotion of youth exchanges and establishment of joint cooperation with Ukraine. The cabinet also discussed the enhancement of arts and creative study with Sri Lanka, she remarked.

About the Kerry-Lugar Bill, the minister informed that the cabinet had ratified the bill under which the US would provide $1.5 billion annually and $7.5 billion in five years. She informed that the cabinet also proposed amendment in the Bar Council Act, 1973, under which anyone could provide direct financial support to the bars in the country. Dr Firdaus said that the cabinet was also briefed about the Libyan crisis and it was informed that up till now 4,900 Pakistanis have been safely repatriated from the country.

The minister said that the Minister of State for Foreign Affairs, Hina Rabbani Khar, had briefed the cabinet about the recent meeting of the Gulf Cooperation Council, which supports Pakistan’s vision for peace in the region. She said that Prime Minister Yousaf Raza Gilani informed the cabinet about the political situation in the country including the issue of Saraiki province.

 

[cross1993]

I don't know about the cost of the Yuan, but what I do know for sure is that in terms of Chinese Diesel - Electric, it's cutting edge.

I think Yuan-class is unlikely.
PLAN only has not more than 10 Yuan-class submarine, PLAN need quite a lot Yuan-class submarine(They have dozens of Ming-class submarines ready to retire). Chinese shipyards can not afford to take more orders.
I think PN wanted to buy the Song-class submarine. Or an enhanced version of the Song-class submarine.
And taking into account the capacity of India's anti-submarine, buy six Yuan-class submarines is a waste. Yuan-class submarines cost too high.

 

[SAUD-404]

Why this mix? What capabilities do you think our navy should be pursuing that the mix you suggest would achieve

well Sir in my personal opinion two different platforms for small sized navy like ours will do a greater good rather then going with just one we yet dont know about the capabilities of both subs. But i have seen another post in which it is mentioned that we will be working with Chinese friends to produce a totally new class according to PN needs so wait and see

 

[SAUD-404]

Minister for Information and Broadcasting, Dr Firdaus Ashiq Awan

today will be the first day we are happy to hear anything from you

 

[Dazzler]

Song Class was dismissed on grounds of inferiority to our A-90Bs and Yuan is being pursued as per my source. It is Yuan we are going for folks as their is no room or point to induct a sub inferior to our existing inventory.

 

[alimobin memon]

Song Class was dismissed on grounds of inferiority to our A-90Bs and Yuan is being pursued as per my source. It is Yuan we are going for folks as their is no room or point to induct a sub inferior to our existing inventory.

point!! indeeed

 

[IND151]

good move by our neighbors. but we are going to have 6 diesel scorpion subs and ARIHANT and 2 AKULA class nuke subs. so no need to worry. plus we are getting 12 p 8 Poseidon.

 

[Indus Falcon]

Come on now, are these capabilities, whatever they are, known to the public?

Well if the Song class can achieve this, wonder what Yuan class or Yuan+ can do?


The uninvited guest: Chinese sub pops up in middle of U.S. Navy exercise, leaving military chiefs red-faced

When the U.S. Navy deploys a battle fleet on exercises, it takes the security of its aircraft carriers very seriously indeed.

At least a dozen warships provide a physical guard while the technical wizardry of the world's only military superpower offers an invisible shield to detect and deter any intruders.

That is the theory. Or, rather, was the theory.

The lone Chinese vessel slipped past at least a dozen other American warships which were supposed to protect the carrier from hostile aircraft or submarines.

And the rest of the costly defensive screen, which usually includes at least two U.S. submarines, was also apparently unable to detect it.

According to the Nato source, the encounter has forced a serious re-think of American and Nato naval strategy as commanders reconsider the level of threat from potentially hostile Chinese submarines.

It also led to tense diplomatic exchanges, with shaken American diplomats demanding to know why the submarine was "shadowing" the U.S. fleet while Beijing pleaded ignorance and dismissed the affair as coincidence.

Analysts believe Beijing was sending a message to America and the West demonstrating its rapidly-growing military capability to threaten foreign powers which try to interfere in its "backyard".

The People's Liberation Army Navy's submarine fleet includes at least two nuclear-missile launching vessels.

Its 13 Song Class submarines are extremely quiet and difficult to detect when running on electric motors.

Commodore Stephen Saunders, editor of Fighting Ships, and a former Royal Navy anti-submarine specialist, said the U.S. had paid relatively little attention to this form of warfare since the end of the Cold War.

He said: "It was certainly a wake-up call for the Americans.

"It would tie in with what we see the Chinese trying to do, which appears to be to deter the Americans from interfering or operating in their backyard, particularly in relation to Taiwan."

In January China carried a successful missile test, shooting down a satellite in orbit for the first time.

The uninvited guest: Chinese sub pops up in middle of U.S. Navy exercise, leaving military chiefs red-faced | Mail Online

 

[Indus Falcon]

When we bought the F22P we also bought Chinese missiles with it. Just wondering exactly what will be coming with the boats?

 

[SBD-3]

When we bought the F22P we also bought Chinese missiles with it. Just wondering exactly what will be coming with the boats?

What PN would be eyeing from these subs
1- Maximum endurance, about 60-90 days (depends upon the performance of AIP system which is unknown to me at least)
2- Capability to Launch Land Attack Cruise Missile (I suspect PN has already done some experimenting on such thing if we remembered the harpoon missile upgrade allegations from US)
if we get these two things, these subs are as good as a Nukie since they can travel to anypart of Indian Ocean without detection and can launch Nuke Tipped CMs creating a defensive nightmare for India given its very large coast line.

 

[Imran Khan]

good move by our neighbors. but we are going to have 6 diesel scorpion subs and ARIHANT and 2 AKULA class nuke subs. so no need to worry. plus we are getting 12 p 8 Poseidon.

ye tum se kisi ne poocha hai yahaan a ker apni ram kahani sunany ko? we know dude but like these post distroy all threads.now keep you subs and p8 or p1008 in home .

 

[truthseeker2010]

Well if the Song class can achieve this, wonder what Yuan class or Yuan+ can do?


The uninvited guest: Chinese sub pops up in middle of U.S. Navy exercise, leaving military chiefs red-faced

When the U.S. Navy deploys a battle fleet on exercises, it takes the security of its aircraft carriers very seriously indeed.

At least a dozen warships provide a physical guard while the technical wizardry of the world's only military superpower offers an invisible shield to detect and deter any intruders.

That is the theory. Or, rather, was the theory.

The lone Chinese vessel slipped past at least a dozen other American warships which were supposed to protect the carrier from hostile aircraft or submarines.

And the rest of the costly defensive screen, which usually includes at least two U.S. submarines, was also apparently unable to detect it.

According to the Nato source, the encounter has forced a serious re-think of American and Nato naval strategy as commanders reconsider the level of threat from potentially hostile Chinese submarines.

It also led to tense diplomatic exchanges, with shaken American diplomats demanding to know why the submarine was "shadowing" the U.S. fleet while Beijing pleaded ignorance and dismissed the affair as coincidence.

Analysts believe Beijing was sending a message to America and the West demonstrating its rapidly-growing military capability to threaten foreign powers which try to interfere in its "backyard".

The People's Liberation Army Navy's submarine fleet includes at least two nuclear-missile launching vessels.

Its 13 Song Class submarines are extremely quiet and difficult to detect when running on electric motors.

Commodore Stephen Saunders, editor of Fighting Ships, and a former Royal Navy anti-submarine specialist, said the U.S. had paid relatively little attention to this form of warfare since the end of the Cold War.

He said: "It was certainly a wake-up call for the Americans.

"It would tie in with what we see the Chinese trying to do, which appears to be to deter the Americans from interfering or operating in their backyard, particularly in relation to Taiwan."

In January China carried a successful missile test, shooting down a satellite in orbit for the first time.

The uninvited guest: Chinese sub pops up in middle of U.S. Navy exercise, leaving military chiefs red-faced | Mail Online

And the song class was dismissed by the PN authorities on technical ground.....
Does our officials knows about this incident.
If true than I really wonder what the 90bs are capable of?