Pakistan throws support behind Iraq govt, opposes Kurdish referendum

[Talwar e Pakistan]

Why Pakistan is opposing the referendum when 90% of the Kurd's vote favored Independence? Pakistan Kashmir case will be weakened. You cannot say people's wish for referendum in Kashmir should be respected while, deny a vote on referendum by Kurds. Seem Pakistan doesn't want to anger Turkey and again sacrificing its national interests for Turkey.

Kashmir is a disputed territory, Kurdistan is not. This is a very large difference.

 

[El Sidd]

Kashmir is a disputed territory, Kurdistan is not. This is a very large difference.

It will if India goes to the UN and recognise Kurdistan with its super power status.

 

[ito]

Kashmir is a disputed territory, Kurdistan is not. This is a very large difference.

Kashmir is not disputed according to India. Kurds are fighting for their homeland for centuries, while Kashmir was always a part of India. You cannot apply two measures here. One for Kashmir, another for Kurdistan. Anyway, this was done to appease Turkey. India sure is going to expose Pakistan's double standards on international fora.

 

[Talwar e Pakistan]

Kashmir is not disputed according to India. Kurds are fighting for their homeland for centuries, while Kashmir was always a part of India. You cannot apply two measures here. One for Kashmir, another for Kurdistan. Anyway, this was done to appease Turkey. India sure is going to expose Pakistan's double standards on international fora.

Kashmir was never a part of India, there was no such thing as India before 1947. It was taken over by the Sikh Empire and sold over to a foreigner Hindu Governor and has been under oppression since. They have distinct languages, ethnic cluster, heritage, history and etc... from India.

It's also not true that Kurds have been fighting "for their homeland for centuries". During World War One, they considered themselves an integral part of the Ottoman Empire and gave much blood trying to defend it against the Russian offensive around the Caucasus front. The concept of popular ethno-nationalism in the Middle East is pretty new.

India is free to "expose Pakistan's double standards on international fora", if you wish to piss off most of the world who are opposing the move. Kashmir cause on the other hand, has most of the Muslim world supporting it.

 

[ito]

Kashmir was never a part of India, there was no such thing as India before 1947. It was taken over by the Sikh Empire and sold over to a foreigner Hindu Governor and has been under oppression since. They have distinct languages, ethnic cluster, heritage, history and etc... from India.

It's also not true that Kurds have been fighting "for their homeland for centuries". During World War One, they considered themselves an integral part of the Ottoman Empire and gave much blood trying to defend it against the Russian offensive around the Caucasus front. The concept of popular ethno-nationalism in the Middle East is pretty new.

India is free to "expose Pakistan's double standards on international fora", if you wish to piss off most of the world who are opposing the move. Kashmir cause on the other hand, has most of the Muslim world supporting it.

You need to read history. You are wrong on both counts.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Kurds

As on Kashmir....Kashmir and Srinagar...the names itself are Hindu. I don't need to give any links to prove that they were Hindu.

All I can say is that have some morals. If people wishes are above everything as Pakistanis claims at various fora...it should be applicable to Kurds as much as to Kashmir.

 

[livingdead]

should have kept silence.... there was no need to talk about it, some generic statement (like 'we encourage all sides in iraq to talk and arrive at amicable solution') would have been enough.
kurds have suffered more than palestinians and kashmiris, its hypocrisy of muslim world to not talk about it.

 

[CHI RULES]

Food for thought:

You know it took less than 6 months for Iraq to recognize Bongladesh.
The first Arab country to do so.

Different scenario and regime in Iraq was also different. Even now Iraq has become a Shia state where Sunnis are being oppressed as concerns shown even by USA. But on the other hand Kurdish estate is being supported by Israel, so it if becomes reality shall not be in interest of Arabs/Muslims as a whole. Further few allies we have Turkey is one of them and they are also opposing that state.

 

[gangsta_rap]

Bad idea. We should've stood up for whats RIGHT and in this case biji barzani! biji kurd u kurdistan!

 

[El Sidd]

Different scenario and regime in Iraq was also different. Even now Iraq has become a Shia state where Sunnis are being oppressed as concerns shown even by USA. But on the other hand Kurdish estate is being supported by Israel, so it if becomes reality shall not be in interest of Arabs/Muslims as a whole. Further few allies we have Turkey is one of them and they are also opposing that state.

Religion or sect is not the state's concerned in any of the countries.

And Israeli flags right now was brilliant diplomacy by that political party or particular militia.

It's finely balanced. Its interesting at this moment in time

 

[idune]

Pakistan, Iran, Iraq, Syria, Turkey all are against Zionist push. This is quite a line up from Mediterranean to Indian ocean! All are part of ancient civilizations and powerhouse on its time. This could be quite a power block to reckon with!!

 

[BATMAN]

Glass houses.

Referendums for Balochistan/GB/AK/Sindh?

You are not eligible to have such demand, while sitting in American lap!

 

[-blitzkrieg-]

Our foreign office telling the world something no one asked our opinion on.Pakistani Public does not want Iraq to breakup. and dont like the idea of a free Kurdistan.. and that can be conveyed through other channels..but foreign office????
we have actually asked the biggest supporter of kurdistan in middle east to give us some attention as well..hey come see our glasshouse Baluchistan come and get us if you can.. we are waiting...wtf.. adventures like these are done when you are strong internally.not when your as* is inside out.

Food for thought:

You know it took less than 6 months for Iraq to recognize Bongladesh.
The first Arab country to do so.

the regime has changed.. just like you dont have ussr today ..saddams iraq is no more..lets stay in present.

 

[jetray]

should have kept silence.... there was no need to talk about it, some generic statement (like 'we encourage all sides in iraq to talk and arrive at amicable solution') would have been enough.
kurds have suffered more than palestinians and kashmiris, its hypocrisy of muslim world to not talk about it.

yup thats the reason there is more violence with these countries and no one really believes any of their statements. Whether it is china or turkey or saudi their moral standing goes for a big toss. As they would say charity begins at home, they should practice what they preach.

 

[KediKesenFare3]

I know that people usually (and rightly) think about Turkey when the word "Kurd" appears. However, the Kurdish population of Turkey has close ties to the Syrian Kurds. The North Iraqi Kurds are traditionally closer to Iranian Kurds.

So, Pakistan basically said: I'm supporting Turkey's and Iran's territorial unity. This is also China's position regarding internal conflicts in any state around the globe. I do think that in this case Pakistan did make the right statement. But that is just my opinion.

 

[Talwar e Pakistan]

You need to read history. You are wrong on both counts.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Kurds

What exactly are you trying to prove with a Wikipedia link, where does it refer to them (as you quoted) "fighting for their homeland for centuries"...? All revolts on the basis of creating an independent Kurdish state happened far after the abolition of the Ottoman Empire.

As on Kashmir....Kashmir and Srinagar...the names itself are Hindu. I don't need to give any links to prove that they were Hindu.

All I can say is that have some morals. If people wishes are above everything as Pakistanis claims at various fora...it should be applicable to Kurds as much as to Kashmir.

My gosh, look at your logic, at this point; I shouldn't even be arguing with you.

There are cities in Malaysia that can be considered as having "Hindu names", that does not mean that it is Indian. There are towns and cities in the Middle East that can be considered as having "Christian names" that does not make those cities/regions British, German or American.

Any human can differ a Kashmiri between an Indian. They are distinct and different in almost every aspect; genetics, physical build, culture, heritage, history, religion, language, ethnic groups, traits, accents and etc... and share much more in common with their Pakistani brethren.

Imposing the label of "Indian" on Kashmir is an insult to Kashmiris like me and many other members here.