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Pakistan - The True Heir Of Indus Valley Civilization.

a kushan in 1st century AD or a white Hun in 5th century AD also contributed for increasing ANI percentage in South Asian population. So, your assumption ignores later migrants adding more ANI in Indian gene pool. ANI means those Indian genes showing resemblances with people outside South Asia.



The word is Indo-Gangetic(the prefix Indo- refer to Indus/Sindhu river) because Indians are the inheritor of Both.


Ehm ANI is a seperate genetic component which differs from the West Asian or Siberian components which are found today in Central Asia. Some Central Asian folks like Turkmens and Tajiks carry significant South Asian admixture but mainly ANI of course. ASI and ANI are both often grouped as South Asian admixture because both components evolved in South Asia, not only ASI.

Hunas, Sakas, Parthians, Hepthalites... had nothing to do with the ANI. If they increased something they increased the West Asian, European and Siberian components in modern Pakistanis.

As I said before: "Indian" gene pool is ANI and ASI which are grouped as South Asian admixture
 
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I think people who are trying to prove that Pakistanis are from IVC are people who are disappointed and have started questioning about what good Islam has brought to their piece of land.

You are certainly enjoying the highest degree there is of being an ignorant.

  • Islam brought to us the equity of men and women. For the first time all of our people could stand shoulder to shoulder as equals.
  • Hygiene code. We were wearing cloths and started to look more like humans and less like Mowgli's.
  • End to the stone age and pathetic caste system for good.
  • Windows could marry again and were no longer shunned because they were possessed by 'demons' and had to wear a white sari and were excommunicated from the society.
  • Satanic practices like burning the wife after her husband had died were extinguished.
  • Worship of stones created by one's own self ended
  • Satan worship ended, so did the human sacrifices. (Bali)
  • Women were formally given share in the family wealth.
  • Stupid system of dowry was broken. For the first time a family could marry their kids with whatever they had at hand.
  • Dalits had rights as normal, equal men and were no longer meant for serving the higher caste for eternity. They got honor and dignity in their own selves.
  • Brahmin evil structure of controlling lower casts was tore into pieces...we turned Brahmins into street beggars. For the first time Dalits were able to breed with Brahmin women.
  • We went from worshipping cows to making burgers out of them.
Want more?
 
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You are certainly enjoying the highest degree there is being an ignorant.

Speaking of being ignorant, aren't you the guy who said that the people of IVC were Buddhists? And are you really the right person to be sitting in judgement of someone else's ignorance?
 
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Speaking of being ignorant, aren't you the guy who said that the people of IVC were Buddhists? And are you really the right person to be sitting in judgement of someone else's ignorance?

IVC were not Hindus or Buddhists. They had an extinct form of paganism which inspired the vedic culture of Hinduism. The statues discovered from Harappa and Mohenjo Daro include Buddha as well which indicates what i stated earlier.

Indian claim over IVC is ludicrous, just because they are Hindus or Pagans and people of IVC were pagans too doesn't mean Indian Hindus are descendents of IVC. This is like Pakistanis laying claim on Ummayad and Ottoman history. We can certainly relate to it but cant own it unlike how rather desperately the Indian Hindus try to steal our heritage.
 
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You are certainly enjoying the highest degree there is of being an ignorant.

  • Islam brought to us the equity of men and women. For the first time all of our people could stand shoulder to shoulder as equals.
  • Hygiene code. We were wearing cloths and started to look more like humans and less like Mowgli's.
  • End to the stone age and pathetic caste system for good.
  • Windows could marry again and were no longer shunned because they were possessed by 'demons' and had to wear a white sari and were excommunicated from the society.
  • Satanic practices like burning the wife after her husband had died were extinguished.
  • Worship of stones created by one's own self ended
  • Satan worship ended, so did the human sacrifices. (Bali)
  • Women were formally given share in the family wealth.
  • Stupid system of dowry was broken. For the first time a family could marry their kids with whatever they had at hand.
  • Dalits had rights as normal, equal men and were no longer meant for serving the higher caste for eternity. They got honor and dignity in their own selves.
  • Brahmin evil structure of controlling lower casts was tore into pieces...we turned Brahmins into street beggars. For the first time Dalits were able to breed with Brahmin women.
  • We went from worshipping cows to making burgers out of them.
Want more?
Certainly it looks like you have seen the light. If I could, I would have given you a positive rating.
 
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No doubt Pakistanis are most truest heirs of the greatest Indus Valley Civilization / Harrapa Civilization:

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The true heirs Pakistanis

A Muslim majority Indus Valley Civilization?

Who are we? For most of our history we have been caught between competing ideas about Pakistan. Is it a land for Muslims? What does an Islamic identity mean for the indigenous cultures of Punjab, Sindh, Khyber Pakhtunkhwa, Balochistan, Gilgit-–Baltistan and the people who migrated to India?

Greatness is created through synthesis, and when old ideas are challenged by new paradigms. The decade of the 1940s saw the North East states of British India challenged by secular great Muslim nationalism. The Muslims resisted, resisted and resisted until British had to force leave this land. What does that mean to us? We are still in the process of understanding it. But in doing so, we have relied on too many easy answers. Our national identity is based on repudiation; we choose to identify ourselves in the negative: ofcourse we are not India. India only became a state on 15-August-1947. Our inability to step forward is because we have failed to create any synthesis from the social and political currents available to us. Let us then challenge our paralysis and press forward with our inquiry — let us seek to imagine who we really are, and who we could be.

Our history does not start with 1947, nor with Muhammed bin Qasim’s (in)famous and glorified conquest of Sindh. Those events are important but form an incomplete story of our past. Our heritage goes back to the Indus Valley Civilization, one of the first people to build the great cities of Moenjadaro and Harappa, a complex language and mathematical system, and centers of commerce in Asia. The source of this great civilization was the Indus River whose mighty banks nourished and fed its people. Today it is not nuclear weapons that protect our country but the Indus, whose artery and tributaries provide the life flow of our country. By remembering that we are the heirs of the Indus Valley Civilization, we can shift our focus from the anti to the river itself. We can concentrate on protecting our environment and saving the river that is literally the lifeblood of the country, and the source of our food and electricity. We are a natural nation bound by the Indus, if the Indus dries out the country will collapse.

This doesn’t mean that we completely ignore the advent of the Mughals, the conquest of the 120 years of British, the height of Hindu-Muslim unity during the war of independence 1857 and its subsequent breakdown, despite the best efforts of members of the leadership class. And of course, the bloodshed in the years leading to Partition –events which concluded that religion was going to play a role, however so undefined, in the consciousness of the masses of Islamic Pakistan.

While religion comes from the same source, it is up to different countries and peoples on how to interpret it to enrich their lives. That is why the Islam practiced in Saudi Arabia is different from the one practiced in most of Islamic Pakistan. The role of religion (in all of its cultural, spiritual, non-denominational and ritual manifestations) will remain in society. What is important is for thinkers to channel it into a force that is creative and not destructive, inclusive and pluralistic, not one that imposes its will on the unwilling. One that is large enough to include free thinkers and conservative clerics. One that encourages selfishness and a spirit of citizenship. One that convinces individuals that they have greater aims than their everyday jobs, but does not encourage utopian personalities or apocalyptic thinking.

What is the relationship between the pre-Islamic, pre-Christian Indus Valley Civilization to today’s Islamic Republic of Pakistan? These two strands of the secular and religious deliberately create a powerful contradiction. Contradictions are good because they deny any single understanding of morality and create a vibrant society through debate and compromise.

Embracing our Indus past will enable us to reject Arab cultural imperialism in the name of religion. We will be focused not on fighting wars with India, but in making the greatest cities in the world. Cities like those of the past, which valued trade and commerce and became the hub of Indo-Persian-Chinese commerce. Let our market places be flooded by people from all over the world and be a blend of cultures. We will be a country that celebrates diversity; ethnic diversity of the many languages and cultures around the ecosystem of the great river, and religious diversity, for it will be a country for (all types of) Muslims, Christians, Hindus, Buddhists, Sikhs who can respect this ecosystem. It will be a country that empowers its minorities. And once religion is prevented from being abused we can truly reconcile it with modernity and our legacy of British constitutionalism.

Once our conscious awakens to this idea, we will be a renewed nation. On the crumbling edifices of Moenjadaro and Harappa we will once more build great cities, and build a great country.

Asad Badruddin is from Karachi and holds a Bachelors in Quantitative Economics and International Relations from Tufts University, Boston. He blogs at octagonaltangents.blogspot.com and tweets @sasadb.
 
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Ganga-Jamuna and Sindhu civilization, both belong to us. ;) BTW Arains have arab ancestry, what it has to do with Biradari system, everyone has a biradari.

You are born in ganga-jamuna part and will die there, that's the place where you belong to. Be proud and stop chindi choor habits.

And google expert of Ancient history know about ancestors of Arains more than themselves, I know you can tell the taste of dishes by looking at google image, but that doesn't mean that you should take idiotic skill to next level.
 
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All the above maps shows THE SAME THING "INDIA IS THE CRADLE OF CIVILIZATION"

BUT THEIR "RELIGION" DOES NOT LET THEM ACCEPT THAT.


I slightly disagree. though Indian civilization is 15,000 to 20,000 year old but there were civilization older that it.

It all started 1,00,000 year ago when desert was created in Africa, One branch of ape started walking on two feet, Once the hand was free it was used for innovation...

In regular interval these ppl started migrated to Asia and Europe. It is assumned that first batch of ppl travel from Africa, Arabia, Gujrat (india) east cost India and Australia.

In travel some group settled and started civilization, while some kept travelling all over world..

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If you see this Picture you can see ppl migrating frm Gujrat/Rajsthan to Iran, Kuwait, Europe , China...


Note: I am not chest thumping here, Just because India was on the way of migration, migration happen like this.
Since Saraswati river basin was fertile and abundant in food and water, Human race stayed here for longer..


IVC were not Hindus or Buddhists. They had an extinct form of paganism which inspired the vedic culture of Hinduism. The statues discovered from Harappa and Mohenjo Daro include Buddha as well which indicates what i stated earlier.

Indian claim over IVC is ludicrous, just because they are Hindus or Pagans and people of IVC were pagans too doesn't mean Indian Hindus are descendents of IVC. This is like Pakistanis laying claim on Ummayad and Ottoman history. We can certainly relate to it but cant own it unlike how rather desperately the Indian Hindus try to steal our heritage.


Dharmic kaho Munna Dharmic, not Paganism.
Buddha was born some 2500 year ago while IVC is 3 times older that Buddha birth.


Dharminc Kaho Munna, Dharmic. Hindusim is extension of Dharmic ppl ..

So we have all claim over IVC than some "Arabic Tribal religion convertee"
 
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The Muslims resisted, resisted and resisted until British had to force leave this land.

when did that happen?


Ashfaq-ullah-khan A martyr.. I couldn't find other Muslim name who reach matrydom for nation.. Though I can see million name dying for Islam... Punjab and Bengal was hive of Muslims not a single Muslim revolutionary from these two place?
 
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You are born in ganga-jamuna part and will die there, that's the place where you belong to. Be proud and stop chindi choor habits.

And google expert of Ancient history know about ancestors of Arains more than themselves, I know you can tell the taste of dishes by looking at google image, but that doesn't mean that you should take idiotic skill to next level.

I see you are escaping from a simple reply. :lol::lol:
 
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