Pakistan - The True Heir Of Indus Valley Civilization.

[ranjeet]

Sirji That is the Distribution of South Asian Gene pool!!!

Apart from South Asia where it is found!!! And the reason behind its distribution!!!

Never ever .. ever ever ever differ from ghenda swamy on genetics ... he is the authority here on the pdf !!!

 

[Aepsilons]

The vision of Pakistan’s founder Muhammad Ali Jinnah, in the 1940s did not only constitute creation of a Muslim political entity at the expense of India’s Hindu domination. It was also embedded in thousands of years of historical and geographical realities. These aspects clearly emerge from Jinnah’s interviews given to foreign correspondents where he described the geopolitical importance of Pakistan. The two nation reality also did not emerge only because of the differences between Hindu and Muslim peoples. It was an outcome of thousands of years of historical, geographical and genetic distinction between the peoples of Indus Valley Civilization and those occupying the Gangetic plains.
Extent of the Indus Valley Civilization imposed over modern borders

Extent of the Indus Valley Civilization imposed over modern borders

The existence of Indus Valley Civilization emerged though the ruins at Harappa in Punjab, Pakistan which were first described by Charles Masson in 1842, in his “Narrative of Various Journeys in Balochistan, Afghanistan, and the Punjab.” Though the site was visited by General Alexander Cunningham in 1856, who later headed the archeological survey of northern India, it was in 1921-22 that the excavations began which unearthed the great civilization buried under the sand for thousands of years.

The irony of it all was that it was General Alexander Cunningham who allowed East Indian Railways which was constructing railway line between the cities of Lahore and Karachi, to use the ancient bricks recovered from these sites as track ballast for the 150 kilometers of nearby stretch and thus destroyed much of the city of Harappa (3300 BC – 1300 BC). Mohenjodaro (2600 BC – 1900 BC) in Sindh, Pakistan was excavated by 1931. Mehrgarh (7000 BC -. 2500 BC) in Balochistan, Pakistan was discovered in 1974 and the excavations continued from 1974-86 and again from 1997-2000. Rehman Dheri (4000 BC) in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa was excavated from 1976-1980. Based on recent evidence and analyses, archeologists and historians have proclaimed that Indus Valley Civilization is over 9000 years old, making it one of the oldest civilizations of the world.

The South Asian subcontinent is principally divided into two major geographical regions; the Indus Valley and its westerly inclined tributaries, and the Ganges Valley with its easterly inclined tributaries. In his book, “The Indus Saga and the Making of Pakistan,” Aitzaz Ahsan identifies the geographical divide between these two regions as the Gurdaspur-Kathiawar salient, a watershed which is southwesterly inclined down to the Arabian Sea. This watershed also depicted the dividing line between the peoples of Indus Valley Civilization and those of Gangetic plains and also corresponds almost exactly with the current day Pakistan-India border.

Historically, only the Mauryas, Muslims and the British amalgamated these two regions as a unified state. For most of the remaining history, when one empire did not rule both the regions as a unified state, the Indus Valley Civilizational domain was always governed as one separate political entity.

Rather than an unnatural creation as propounded by many, Pakistan much more than the Gangetic plains, is an appropriate and modern embodiment of thousands of years old Indus Valley Civilization. The historical, geographical and its people’s organic linkages with Arab, Persian, Turkic and South Central Asian populace also clearly differentiates it as a distinct and definite independent identity as compared to the rest of India.

The discovery of Indus Valley Civilization in the run up to 1947 independence of Pakistan and India provided Indian nationalist Hindus an opportunity, to embed their Vedic Hindu cultural identity in a civilization, which was one of the oldest civilizations on earth and also predated emergence of Islam. However, the later identification of emergence of Vedic Hindu cultural traditions between 1500 – 600 BC, discounted such linkages. Also, the fact that Indus Valley Civilization’s cultural moorings were discovered mainly in the Indus River Valley, and partly in Ghaggar-Hakra basin and in the Doab, these cultural moorings did not find an extension into the central and lower Ganges Valley in the eastern and central Indian plains. The presence of fortified cities, town planning and drainage system, depiction of specialized epic art form and the architecture of burnt bricks, sea trade, use of seals, weights, measures and script and the custom of burying the dead in cemeteries, presented clear differentiation because of the absence of such depiction in Vedic Hindu literature and culture.

Many adherents of Indian Hindu nationalist ideology believed that India was and is a primarily Hindu nation and has Hindu religious culture in continuity from Vedic Aryans. The mosaic of cultures of the past evolving into composite Indian Hindu culture through the process of history was not based on archeological evidence but what they essentially believed in. In many cases distorting and manipulating or even forging the mute archaeological evidence through depiction of fire places as fire altars, waste pits as sacrificial pits in Harappan era sites and the imaginary reading of Sanskrit legends, was quoted in order to suit their pseudo-ideological and opportunistic interests.

Between 1900-1300 BC the civilization declined and there were no more references to Meluhha (Mesopotamian name for Indus Valley Civilization landmass) in Mesopotamian finds. However, the people who made up this great civilization continued living in places like Mehrgarh, Harappa, Mohenjodaro and other settlements long after that.

The legacy of Indus Valley Civilization lives on in present day Pakistan. Amongst some of the aspects that can still be traced to this legacy are the trade and commerce routes developed by the mentors of this great civilization. Ships from Meluhha regularly sailed from locations near modern day city of Karachi for the ports of Babylon. And they evidently made stops all along the way, as indicated through discovery of seals found in Oman, Abu Dhabi and Bahrain as well.

The city of Peshawar lies on what is thought to have been one of their main overland trade routes. That route is now a major highway that constitutes the eastern approach to the Khyber Pass and links the northwestern Indus River Plain to the highlands of Afghanistan and Central Asia. An old branch of the route runs from Peshawar, south into rugged tribal territory, through the Pakistani cities of Kohat and Bannu and the foothills of the Suleiman Mountains down across the Gomal Plain to the early historical site of Rehman Dheri.

After the decline of this civilization, the religion and language of which has still not been deciphered, at different times these people followed Vedic Hindu culture and traditions, also adopted Buddhism and in the end embraced Islam and are now overwhelmingly Muslim.

The core spread of Indus Valley Civilization primarily lay in Pakistan. The three major cities and many other sites which represent the core of Indus Valley Civilization are all located in Pakistan. However, the Indians still refer to India as the “Home of Indus Valley Civilization,” which is surprising and indeed a misnomer. India needs to realign its history and should seek its identity in its own legacy instead of claiming something to which they do not belong to.

It is the people of Pakistan who represent one of the oldest civilizations on earth. Indus Valley Civilization’s legacy is linked to Pakistan and this fact cannot be denied. The people of Pakistan thus rightly claim to be the true heirs of Indus Valley Civilization.

Pakistan: The True Heir Of Indus Valley Civilization - Analysis Eurasia Review

Excellent article, Sir.

 

[Raul_AD]

Never ever .. ever ever ever differ from ghenda swamy on genetics ... he is the authority here on the pdf !!!

Ranjeet Bhai: Thanx for that! I am waiting for reaction from Ghenda-Bhai!!!

Hope I will pass the test!!!

 

[KingMamba]

this just confirms that your a stupid idiot..
middle earth?? lol…..i didn't know they had muslims in the lord of the rings and the hobbit.

He is a hilarious loser, indians are known for revisionist history.

 

[Kabira]

Ranjeet Bhai: Thanx for that! I am waiting for reaction from Ghenda-Bhai!!!

Hope I will pass the test!!!

Do not take genetic seriously, use common sense some times.

 

[Mugwop]

beef eating? where you read that. the Great Bath is identical to Hindu ghats and mesopotamians and Greeco_romans never followed such things and moreover Rigveda mentions that ancestors of Indians practiced burying. Infact, new studies shows no new gene entered India between Indus valley civilization and Vedic culture.



why Pakistani call Raja Dahir Sen as an Indian king.

Charred bones of cattle,sheep were found in IVC houses and outside.The great bath of IVC is not identical to Ghat because Ghats have temples and are more about holy rivers and pujah and cremation,The IVC great bath is more like a public water tank where rain water was collected,The greco romans had Aquae Sulis .Mesopotamia Uruk 3 had a bath building ...

Raja Dahir was a sindhi king who was hated by alot of people that's why he got betrayed and the Hindu Kingdom of Kannauj sent gifts to Bin Qasim for what he did.Dahir has a few fans in the ANP who still consider him a hero.

 

[Sugarcane]

Do not take genetic seriously, use common sense some times.

Indians are hypocrites, where it suites them they rewrite their own history by saying that Europeans distorted history and where it suites them they will bring European reference and term it as divine.

 

[Nadaan Parinda]

this just confirms that your a stupid idiot..
middle earth?? lol…..i didn't know they had muslims in the lord of the rings and the hobbit.

Orcs were muslims

 

[qamar1990]

Orcs were muslims

u really are a nadaan

 

[KingMamba]

All the symbols found in the IVC are of Vaidc Gods Pashupati, Varuna.



That is true.



You know, world has a Problem of discrediting of Vedas. Why??? Because it tells the ETERNAL TRUTH which dates back to way back 6000-4000BC nobody is ready to accept that!!!! How can this be true, ETERNAL TRUTH told so earlier by the Civilization which is so old when the rest of the world was roaming without FIG LEAF on the earth...... How this be possible??????

Your not accepting the TRUTH written in VEDAS do not mean any thing, because it is the BLUNT FACT, NOT ACCEPTING IT IS YOUR PROBLEM AND NOT THE PROBLEM OF VEDAS.

And same is the truth about Swaraswati River's disappearance mentioned in Vedas, your not accepting it does not change any thing!!!



You are telling the BLUNT TRUTH the ancestry of Modern Pakistan is MOSTELY of South Asian Origin i.e. what we call ANI+ASI MIX. Same is true about rest of INDIA in some VARIED PROPORTION. This is Genetics Truth.

Sadly but some People are not ready to accept it!!!!!

You say that is true for Buddha statues but claim that they show vedic gods when Vedic civilization also arose after the IVC declined.

Vedas are religious scriptures that is why you can cry all you want no historian except ones in India will treat it as a history book.

 

[Raul_AD]

Indians are hypocrites, where it suites them they rewrite their own history by saying that Europeans distorted history and where it suites them they will bring European reference and term it as divine.

Here comes the Great Reply!!!! "DEFYING MODERN GENETICS".

Btw who is HYPOCRIT?????

Europeans arrived much letter then South Asian as per the Genetics.

So what to do????

Well I have posted what I have to. Presume what ever you want.

 

[KingMamba]

Take a crash course in civil engineering and basics of archaeology.

Do not quote me indic I am tired of you repeating your same bs over and over.

 

[INDIC]

Charred bones of cattle,sheep were found in IVC houses and outside.The great bath of IVC is not identical to Ghat because Ghats have temples and are more about holy rivers and pujah and cremation,The IVC great bath is more like a public water tank where rain water was collected,The greco romans had Aquae Sulis .Mesopotamia Uruk 3 had a bath building ...

Why would they need to collect water inMohenjodaro when the city was one the bank of a great river moreover, can you share some reading where they found charred bones especially of cows since I have read a lot about IVC. Its not necessary that Ghat has a temple, moreover Hinduism have evolved from IVC, lot many practices emerged over the time. The modern studies on IVC shows no new gene inflowed in India during IVC to Vedic culture, only cultural practices changed and in many areas IVC went on uninterrupted until 1000BC.(by studying the pottery).

Raja Dahir was a sindhi king who was hated by alot of people that's why he got betrayed and the Hindu Kingdom of Kannauj sent gifts to Bin Qasim for what he did.Dahir has a few fans in the ANP who still consider him a hero.

You are mixing two histories separated by 4 centuries. Anyway, he was great king, its good under Pakistan's ideology to vilify him, while lots of Sindhis and Indians still respect him.

 

[Raul_AD]

You say that is true for Buddha statues but claim that they show vedic gods when Vedic civilization also arose after the IVC declined.

Vedas are religious scriptures that is why you can cry all you want no historian except ones in India will treat it as a history book.

Sirji Rig-Veda is the Oldest, which mentions Swaraswati River. And there after other Vedas which are succeeding to that mentions Drying up of River Swaraswati!!!

So Rig-Veda was written when the River was thriving!!! Hence your IVC is VEDIC CIVILIZATION.

 

[Aepsilons]

Here comes the Great Reply!!!! "DEFYING MODERN GENETICS".

Btw who is HYPOCRIT?????

Europeans arrived much letter then South Asian as per the Genetics.

So what to do????

Well I have posted what I have to. Presume what ever you want.

Can we not agree that the product of the Greater South Asian Region is a multilayered multi-ethnicity? The beauty of introduction of different peoples arriving into the South Asia. The first colonizers were the Dravidians, then came some Tungustic, then more proto-Caucasoids, even some proto-Mongoloids. We all are genetically linked in some way. Because even in Japan. South Asians, particularly some early Dravidians in the Maldives have Haplogroup D subclave D4b1c. Interestingly enough most Japanese have that Haplogroup D subclave D4b1c. What does this mean? It means that some how in archaeogenetic history, the Dravidians who colonized South Asia, also manged to go to Japanese Islands and populated there. With succeeding arrival of proto-Mongoloids such as the Ainu, and then the Yayoi migration from mainland China to Japan -- led to the miscegenation of the early inhabitants (who had Dravidian Haplogroup D subclave D4b1c).

So? What does this mean to us? To you and I?

It means that We all are genetically related. Northeast Asians are part of the South Asian Family through that link.

Even if our phenotype would suggest we aren't related, we are actually genetically related.