Pakistan: The Nation That Never Became Angry.

[El Sidd]

Pakistan's entire basis of existence stands on the foundation of Islam. And Nabi Muhammad Alaihi Salaat-u-Wassalam is and shall remain Rahma-tulil-Alameen, a mercy upon all humans.

so is the world's.

Talk Pakistani. Bring forth your Pakistani Supreme Leader or King of Kings

 

[Nasr]

so is the world's.

Talk Pakistani. Bring forth your Pakistani Supreme Leader or King of Kings

That's the problem with the mindset of those opposed and those for ... you're looking for a "Supreme Leader" a "Savior" a "King." A true Muslim, who is a Pakistani isn't looking for one or has one.

Muhammad Alaihi Salaat-u-Wassalam is all we have and will ever need.

 

[VCheng]

You was on right track but lost somewhere. 18th amendment etc isn't the reason for current mess. Terrorism, religious extremism, population growth and army/Zia is the reason for problems you laid out. There is no anger because despite piss poor conditions Pakistanis apparently are more happy then Turkey etc if surveys are to be believed. They are happy with religious theocratic state and drawbacks that comes with that.

This is the key: if there are more people that are satisfied with the way things are, no real change will be brought about, as we have seen over the last several decades into today. It is only when there is real demand for change that things can ever hope to improve.

 

[Ladyuk]

I have a solution - but we're not going to like it.

We need our own Ayatollah, along with a bloody revolution. Why an Ayatollah? Because religion is the one identity the majority of the country can get behind. They won't ask questions like "who's islam..." they're going to follow the rhetoric.

We need a dictator in a turban and all the other religious garb to blag holy authority so they can pull the country out of the sh1t. We also need this person to be one who sucks up to be American interests AND Chinese interests, to avoid actually doing an Iran.

If you want a shortcut - this is it.

I know where your coming from but honestly if a ayatollah type of leader came to the fore it would be the final nail in the coffin for pakistan. What we need is a Putin type of leader who is very firm on law and order.

 

[Turingsage]

If Imran Khan is unable to break through the system, we are going to need a military dictator. There is simply no other way.

This time, we should prevent anyone like Musharrsf from ever coming close to the office.

Someone more akin to Gen Zia, but one who doesn't play politics. Islamic credentials also are a must.

You are a man after my own heart. Pakistan should stop playing around things like constitutions parliaments etc etc. The constitution is just a piece of toilet paper according to one of your generals.
Tear it up . lock up all those good for nothing politicians and extract all the money they have stolen by threatening their families and take all those stolen lands and properties .
Install some proper general to run the country for the next 20 years so things can be sorted out.
Any disobedience should end in extreme prejudice action.
Everyone will come on board within weeks after initial upheaval . There will be no disobedience after the guns come out and strict discipline is physically enforced.

Naya Pakistan here we come

 

[El Sidd]

That's the problem with the mindset of those opposed and those for ... you're looking for a "Supreme Leader" a "Savior" a "King." A true Muslim, who is a Pakistani isn't looking for one or has one.

Muhammad Alaihi Salaat-u-Wassalam is all we have and will ever need.

you said Pakistan needs supreme leader.

i said bring forth.

you give me this.

don't you know Pakistan's constitution?

 

[Nasr]

you said Pakistan needs supreme leader.

i said bring forth.

you give me this.

don't you know Pakistan's constitution?

I'm sorry, but where did I state that Pakistan needed a supreme leader? That doesn't sound like me and I am not in the habit of contradicting myself.

 

[El Sidd]

The concept of democracy was always doomed to fail. When it can fail in america, britain and france, then it sure as hell would fail here. The idea that some Pakistanis have about democracy is beyond absurd.

To exist for 72 years, divided and chaotic, is one thing. But to have had Islam, been born a Muslim and yet failed to grasp what Pakistanis were destined for. Well that is the saddest part of them all.

I'm sorry, but where did I state that Pakistan needed a supreme leader? That doesn't sound like me and I am not in the habit of contradicting myself.

Within democracy, Pakistan has many supreme leaders.

Each one of the political idol is a supreme leader to his followers.

 

[SQ8]

Pakistan’s fragmentation is inevitable - but so is the likelihood of massive conflict before that and for once it will be thrust upon Pakistan.

Sad that the only option for a less painful end is a fight to the death with our eastern neighbor in the hope that we essentially are the ones to bleed with the last laugh.

 

[Ace of Spades]

Pakistan’s fragmentation is inevitable

It's not inevitable; it is though if it continues on the same path it's been on from decades. And that begs a question; what's more important. Personal egos or country?

 

[Cliftonite]

Pakistan’s fragmentation is inevitable - but so is the likelihood of massive conflict before that and for once it will be thrust upon Pakistan.

Sad that the only option for a less painful end is a fight to the death with our eastern neighbor in the hope that we essentially are the ones to bleed with the last laugh.

Why is it inevitable? Pakistan's absolutely worst period was the late 2000s to early 2010s. The gloom was apparent on even the faces of people in power. You could be sitting in a restaurant or bus or mosque and a bomber could come and blow himself up, it was everyday routine. We got through that. We could have ended up like Syria or Libya. But we didn't.

Pakistan is a perfect case study of gross mismanagement. Our army, politicians and establishment has exarcebated every problem rather than solving it. Even now I can say with full confidence, PTM and BLA aren't things which can't be handled without brute force. All they need is active economic development from the state in those 2 provinces, narrative building in the public and tighter control on the Afghan border.

I only have experience as a Muhajir in these type of "separatist" movements (which they are not as much as they are made out to be), that the 90s insurgency in Karachi could so easily have been avoided if they had engaged in discussions and listened to grievances of the Muhajir community in the 80s. When we were being bullied by Sindhis and Pathans in our own neighborhoods.
Even the Shia loyal to Iran canard is not 10% of what it's made out to be. The state has ignored their plight so they naturally turned to Iran which they saw as a bastion of their faith.


I think we will pull through. The army has realized that brute force is not the way to go. It's better to work behind the scenes and weaken these movements by intrigues and divide and conquer. What we really need now is a dose of secularism and curbing this rabid religious extremism that has permeated our middle class.

 

[El Sidd]

Ayatullah Niazi is likely to run away to UK on pretext of "traditional family" and leave the Pakistanis at war since he already has said Afghans and Bangladeshi are better living nation than Pakistani dead nation.

One has to guess the intellect of the person who brought him to power.

 

[Ace of Spades]

Ayatullah Niazi is likely to run away to UK on pretext of "traditional family" and leave the Pakistanis at war since he already has said Afghans and Bangladeshi are better living nation than Pakistani dead nation.

One has to guess the intellect of the person who brought him to power.

Dilemma of Pakistan. Keep pinning frustration on wrong place. Truck ki batti k peche laga raho sara.

 

[Cliftonite]

Ayatullah Niazi is likely to run away to UK on pretext of "traditional family" and leave the Pakistanis at war since he already has said Afghans and Bangladeshi are better living nation than Pakistani dead nation.

One has to guess the intellect of the person who brought him to power.

We did. Cause we were sick of Nawaz and Zardari bleeding the country dry.

 

[El Sidd]

Dilemma of Pakistan. Keep pinning frustration on wrong place. Truck ki batti k peche laga raho sara.

isko poster child banna tha. ab Gaddafi se bura hoga iska.

We did. Cause we were sick of Nawaz and Zardari bleeding the country dry.

Can you list how your life has improved with improved governance offered by this elitist government?