Pakistan tested Oplot... 2015

[Thorough Pro]

What's to celebrate?

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[Awan68]

After the destruction of tanks by drones in the Azerbaijan Armenia conflict the need for tanks is significantly reduced. Require to revisit tank acquisition and deployment strategies

That was a completely different envoirment as opposed to the Indo Pak theatre, you are comparing a brawl between two kids to a full fledged UFC contest. An Indo Pak conflict will involve a huge number of air defence and electronic warfare assets. Drones can supplement other primary assets, they cannot take a leading role in offensive formations.

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

Armenian S-300 were S-300PS from the 1980s and aren't really made for shooting down drones, also Armenia basically didn't have an Airforce.

What’s about those inside Syria including S-400?!?! Are they also from 80s?!?!

Do you think Armenians are so foolish that they’ve forgotten to upgrade their AD?!? And, have the Russians become so drunk they have forgotten too?!??

By the by, Russia brought in their best and top most secret EW a/c to Syria to counter the Turkish EW.....

 

[Itachi]

Bro those battles are completely unrelated to the battlefield scenarios between Pakistan and India. Both forces deploy very long range radars which can pick up drones fast, shooting them down after that is a straight forward process.
They can be used as a tool and to support a push etc. They can never be a replacement. For example, bad weather grounded the drones many times in the conflicts above. Imagine your fleet grounded and suddenly a massive armoured offensive heads towards you.

Drones have much smaller RCS......Armenian radars couldn't detect most of them.

I'm not sure if India has every inch of its territory covered in radar......and the more drones there are in air....the more confusion there is possible.

Drones can also conduct EW which can further degrade radar accuracy and range. Drones are the future. I ain't saying remove tanks over all but add some AA on them also like the new Russian Armata.

 

[IceCold]

We are looking for another tank???

 

[mingle]

We are looking for another tank???

Old news VT4 is our new Tank

 

[Aryeih Leib]

Is ideas

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Is ideas 2020 happening or it got cancelled ?

 

[Dazzler]

Is ideas

Is ideas 2020 happening or it got cancelled ?

Postponed till next year.

Bro those battles are completely unrelated to the battlefield scenarios between Pakistan and India. Both forces deploy very long range radars which can pick up drones fast, shooting them down after that is a straight forward process.
They can be used as a tool and to support a push etc. They can never be a replacement. For example, bad weather grounded the drones many times in the conflicts above. Imagine your fleet grounded and suddenly a massive armoured offensive heads towards you.


Nice tank, but production numbers and supply was a huge issue.

Indeed. There were some other factors too.

What's to celebrate?

Were you tagged?

 

[Awan68]

What’s about those inside Syria including S-400?!?! Are they also from 80s?!?!

Do you think Armenians are so foolish that they’ve forgotten to upgrade their AD?!? And, have the Russians become so drunk they have forgotten too?!??

By the by, Russia brought in their best and top most secret EW a/c to Syria to counter the Turkish EW.....

Kardashem, Russian and Turkey have the same relationship the US and Pakistan have had, enemy in one theatre and friend in another, the Armenian and Azeri conflict, the Russians fully supported Turkey if u know what i mean. Karabagh was not a Azeri victory but a Turkish one for those who understand........

 

[Cool_Soldier]

After VT-4 induction and purchase from China, Oplot will not see its way into PA.

 

[Ahmet Pasha]

Forget tanks.
British were the 1st to introduce tanks and now they arevthe 1st to say they will no longer have tanks in their armoury.

Drones all the way. New blitzkrieg demonstrated by Turkey in Azerbaijan Libya and Syria.
Pakistan needs to get its head out of its *** and think ahead

Armor protection for troops should be prioritized now. Also energy weapons, microwave and laser weapon research should start immediately.

 

[Raja Porus]

In all honesty, using the Azeri argument is flawed as the threat environment is vastly different, alongside that, the Armenians have a technologically inferior force that enabled the uavs to operate with impunity due to the fact that their airspace was completely uncontested

Yes that's what I'm saying to every one in every thread, they didn't even have to compete for air superiority, moreover they destroyed old Soviet tanks which didn't even have ERA completely. What drones have to do with tanks. Can they have the same offensive power as tank on a battlefield. They may provide air support but that is also very less(for drones being used now) they can carry only 4 atgms while cost about 15-16 million ( talking about reaper ) on the other hand the Chinese z10 can carry 16 atgms, mg and rocket pods while cist 18 million. No doubt they are the future but also keep in mind the battlefield scenarios of subcontinent which can never be compared to the almost asymmetric battles bw azeri armenian forces and the strategic environment ofan island country. Also keep in mind that England has a powerful navy so we should also buy aircraft carriers,as they have it?

 

[waz]

S-300s failed to pick up the Turkish drones....

AWACS I can assure you bro will. This was also Armenia at the helm, not battle experienced India.

 

[Crimson Blue]

AWACS I can assure you bro will. This was also Armenia at the helm, not battle experienced India.

Fast and high flying drone may be made of metals but slow moving drones are mostly made of plastics composites.

How can AWACS detect a small, slow moving drone made of plastic or carbon fiber?

 

[CriticalThought]

In a war between Pakistan & India , neither India expects its armour columns facing Armed drones and similarly neither does Pak. Unlike other scenarios the major fight will be for air superiority making it extremely difficult for drones to operate.
However India does posess limited IAI HArops that it intends to use against HVTs like Long range radars in Pak. Though Pakistan has a limited capability with armed Burraq drones as well.


But UAVs are the future and indeed very difficult to spot, something we demonstrated when a PN Scan Eagle Penetrated Indian Airspace, and made it <10km from Naliya airbase, where reporetdly a SPyder SAM was deployed that shot down a drone roughly <10km from the airbase centre. Almost every type of Indian Radar is deployed in Gujarat, and the drone snuck pass all of them.
Notably the EL/M 2084 Arudhra & THALES GS-100 radars were deployed at the base withe ranges 400km & 80km Respectively, In addition a Sa-3 battery with a early warning P-18 & Akash Batteries with a pair of Early Warning Rohini Radars were operational at the airbase as well , a THD-1955(500km) & EL/M 2083(aerostat-400km) long range radars were operational in the area as well.
In short all radars failed to detect the target despite Naliya being 100km away from the Border line.

If you have flown in enemy territory for more than a minute, and the territory is heavily guarded by air defence equipment, then you either have a supreme command of electromagnetics combined with cutting edge situational awareness of EM emissions, or you are about to become toast. The enemy has a range of options:

1. Turn off its radars, giving a false sense of security and avoiding leaking its wave parameters to ELINT equipment. The aircraft could be monitored passively through IR emissions.
2. Keep its radars turned on and do nothing, again giving a false sense of security. The aircraft is monitored to find out its objectives.
3. Fire warning shots, allowing it to turn back.
4. Shoot it down.

You can claim to have successfully penetrated an air defence network if you have extremely hi-tech equipment coupled with deep insight of electromagnetic theory. Or you penetrate the network in war time where the enemy won't be taking any chances.

Based on what you have said above, the logical conclusion is that the Indians now know that we have interest in Naliya. Since this has happened in peace time, it gives them time to prepare. Moreover, this is a failed mission no matter how you look at it.

If we penetrated based on technology and understanding, then India now knows our capabilities. On the other hand, if our drone was monitored through out, they now know its radar signatures, and its final objective. There is nothing to brag about here. If anything, we need to learn from our failure and try to avoid the same mistake again.

Fast and high flying drone may be made of metals but slow moving drones are mostly made of plastics composites.

How can AWACS detect a small, slow moving drone made of plastic or carbon fiber?

JF-17 scored a heat seeker kill on a tiny drone from 1 km distance. Now imagine what you can do when you have both a ground based radar and an airborne AEWACS, with almost unlimited power available to them. To top it off, even if you avoid radar emissions, your drone will still emit IR radiation. Or, it will stick out like a sore thumb against background IR radiation.