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ISLAMABAD: Pakistan found itself in the crosshairs of Middle Eastern politics on Tuesday as Saudi Arabia named it as part of its newly formed 34-nation military alliance of Muslim countries meant to combat terrorism, without first getting its consent.
Talking to journalists, Foreign Secretary Aizaz Chaudhry said he was surprised to read the news that Saudi Arabia had named Pakistan as part of the alliance.
He said he had asked the country’s ambassador in Riyadh to get a clarification from Saudi Arabia on the matter.
Know more: Pakistan part of 34-state Islamic military alliance against terrorism, says KSA
Another senior official also confirmed that Pakistan was not consulted before inclusion in the alliance.
In a statement on Tuesday, the Saudi government surprised many countries by announcing that it had forged a coalition for coordinating and supporting military operations against terrorism in Iraq, Syria, Libya, Egypt and Afghanistan. The headquarters of the new Saudi-led coalition would be based in Riyadh.
This is not the first time that Saudi Arabia has named Pakistan as part of its military alliances without Islamabad’s knowledge and consent. The Saudis earlier named Pakistan as part of the coalition that carried out operations in Yemen and a Pakistani flag was displayed at the alliance’s media centre.
Pakistan later declined to join the Yemen war.
It is Pakistani government’s policy that it will not deploy its troops outside the country’s borders except for UN peacekeeping missions.
In the past Pakistan has twice rejected US calls for joining alliances against the militant Islamic State (IS) group on the same pretext.
“We are not looking for any involvement outside our region,” army spokesman Lt Gen Asim Bajwa had said last month while replying to a question about the possibility of Pakistan becoming part of a US-led coalition against IS.
It is unclear how Riyadh went ahead with announcing Pakistan’s participation in the new alliance. It is also difficult to speculate if Islamabad will change its policy because of its close ties with the kingdom.
Pakistan, however, has counter-terrorism cooperation with Saudi Arabia.
The IS operations and activities across the Middle East have led to military responses executed by alliances that most of the time rival each other. Syria has been battling IS and other militants with the help of Iran and Russia.
The US, which is supporting groups trying to topple Syrian President Bashar al-Assad, is meanwhile leading another alliance against IS.
Iran has led military efforts along with the Iraqi army and volunteers in the fight against IS in Iraq. The US-led alliance has been supporting the ground operations against IS with their air strikes.
Published in Dawn, December 16th, 2015
Pakistan surprised by its inclusion in military alliance
BAQIR SAJJAD SYED — PUBLISHED 25 MINUTES AGO
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ISLAMABAD: Pakistan found itself in the crosshairs of Middle Eastern politics on Tuesday as Saudi Arabia named it as part of its newly formed 34-nation military alliance of Muslim countries meant to combat terrorism, without first getting its consent.
Talking to journalists, Foreign Secretary Aizaz Chaudhry said he was surprised to read the news that Saudi Arabia had named Pakistan as part of the alliance.
He said he had asked the country’s ambassador in Riyadh to get a clarification from Saudi Arabia on the matter.
Know more: Pakistan part of 34-state Islamic military alliance against terrorism, says KSA
Another senior official also confirmed that Pakistan was not consulted before inclusion in the alliance.
In a statement on Tuesday, the Saudi government surprised many countries by announcing that it had forged a coalition for coordinating and supporting military operations against terrorism in Iraq, Syria, Libya, Egypt and Afghanistan. The headquarters of the new Saudi-led coalition would be based in Riyadh.
This is not the first time that Saudi Arabia has named Pakistan as part of its military alliances without Islamabad’s knowledge and consent. The Saudis earlier named Pakistan as part of the coalition that carried out operations in Yemen and a Pakistani flag was displayed at the alliance’s media centre.
Pakistan later declined to join the Yemen war.
It is Pakistani government’s policy that it will not deploy its troops outside the country’s borders except for UN peacekeeping missions.
In the past Pakistan has twice rejected US calls for joining alliances against the militant Islamic State (IS) group on the same pretext.
“We are not looking for any involvement outside our region,” army spokesman Lt Gen Asim Bajwa had said last month while replying to a question about the possibility of Pakistan becoming part of a US-led coalition against IS.
It is unclear how Riyadh went ahead with announcing Pakistan’s participation in the new alliance. It is also difficult to speculate if Islamabad will change its policy because of its close ties with the kingdom.
Pakistan, however, has counter-terrorism cooperation with Saudi Arabia.
The IS operations and activities across the Middle East have led to military responses executed by alliances that most of the time rival each other. Syria has been battling IS and other militants with the help of Iran and Russia.
The US, which is supporting groups trying to topple Syrian President Bashar al-Assad, is meanwhile leading another alliance against IS.
Iran has led military efforts along with the Iraqi army and volunteers in the fight against IS in Iraq. The US-led alliance has been supporting the ground operations against IS with their air strikes.
Published in Dawn, December 16th, 2015
Anyone who has dealt with our Arab brothers know this type of psychological, blackmail. Shame on them! They want to fight terrorists by terrorizing others to join their gang.
Pakistan MUST not join the gangsters led by House of Al-Saud. Our love and respect for the people of Arabia will come to their aid if they're attacked, not to keep the HofS in power. They're using us!
On a personal note; out of ALL the Arabs I like the Hijazis the most.
The Saudis are soo desperate !. Pakistan will not join this alliance !!
Is the Military surprised or the Civilian government?
We all know where Pakistan is involved the two operate on separate spectrum, for better or worse.
Pakistan surprised by its inclusion in military alliance
why 2 forums ....
No doubt real Hijazi are people of land. From poetry to art they outclass all arab. But they been oppressed last hundred years. Disperse or silent.
This is another attempt to drag Pakistan into the Middle East Chao's.
Our immediate area of concern should be the border areas of Afghanistan and preventing ISIS from gaining a foothold there and that is it.....
We have enormous security challenges still within this country
MQM still rules Karachi although the militant wing is curtailed
The Baloch insurgency is still breathing
We are sitting on a sectarian time bomb
LeJ present in Punjab with its madressahs and is setting up its new power center in rural Sindh
Some folks from Parachinar being recruited by IRGC who will return some day
We can't even take out Mullah Burqa in the middle of the capital for God's sake
Very immature of the Saudis if they announced this without even consulting us
Is the Military surprised or the Civilian government?
We all know where Pakistan is involved the two operate on separate spectrum, for better or worse.
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I thought the Saudis would have learned by now. Regardless, I think Pakistan may (and should) join this alliance, if only as a symbolic gesture. Pakistan doesn't have to send a massive amount of soldiers, a token force will be enough to appease them. Besides, ISIS is going to be a problem for Pakistan, may as well start countering them from the beginning, instead of waiting a few years like Pakistan did with the TTP.
Both were surprised and angry. Both don't want to get involved in Middle East.
Well, I dont know who is fooling whom.
Is it true that air runs freely between the ears of Indians?
We need to stay far the fvck away from that regional mess. It' an Arab and American/Western created mess let them sort it out or destroy the region, whatever happens first. Not our problem we have enough to deal with in South/Central Asia.
Interesting....either they are planning on throwing some major $$$ the way of Pakistan assuming they can buy support again from politicians, or they are way out of line and have no clue about what the world at large thinks of them.
the Sauds are not custodians of the Arabs so no - it isnt. And as far as we are concerned it's not our fight. Joining such an "alliance" is purely cosmetic. Me personally i'm against it. Sooner or later, the Saudis and Iranians will have to sit down and talk and quit acting like school-boys engaged in d1ck measuring contest. It's futile and their actions are causing more problems than they are solving
You mean, they did not even bother to ask politely beforehand?
Diplomatically this is just way off mark. And from the point of sovereignty, it is absolutely unacceptable and insulting; to phrase it in a very mild diplomatic language. After all Pakistan or country X or Y is not a colony of Saudi Arabia whose matters of defense and foreign policy are decided and announced in Riyadh without even consulting the national assembly, the defense ministry or foreign office of the said nation. This used to happen in Apartheid South Africa where the news of alliances of Bantustans headed by apartheid regime used to be announced on TV without consulting the people of Bantustans themselves.
Have Turks been consulted? Or for that matter Indonesia, the most populous Muslim nation? What about Oman an old time member of GCC?
After all, if the armies, air forces and Generals and Admirals of these nations from today, are to receive their orders from Riyadh signed duly by a 30 year old prince, then these Generals and Admirals should be informed as such through secured and encrypted communication channels, not through 8 'Oclock news from Riyadh.
Anyways. United States was the first to congratulate and endorse this "alliance" headquartered in Riyadh. So, there you go.
Who are these Hijazis?
We made our stand clear when Parliament voted against joining the intervention in Yemen. Our national interests are not for sale.
pretty much my views on it as well
We dont take orders from anyone. We know Nawaz Sharif has close ties to Saudi royals but that's why it's a good thing the military has a good say in foreign policy and strategic matters. And the military flatly stated - NO intervention in Yemen, and Syria isnt our fight. We wont embattle ourselves in MESSES created to divide the Ummah. Not happening.
lets stay away from jews,sunnis and shia conflicts
I am baffled, what benefit does Pakistan get from this? Joining a league under SA is asking for disaster, SA is looking for a new route of influence now that their oil dominance and OPEC are running dry (pun intended), nothing more. Even your token soldiers will be sacrificial pawns against their proxy war against Iran.
Read again.
That was US, this is SA. Whole new ballgame.
Pakistan already rejected joining SA's alliance in Yemen. This isn't a new ballgame.
its a trap. Pakistan should stay away.
SA clearly didn't get the memo, hence the inclusion.
Isme poochna kya hai......ghar ki hi toh baat hai...
Besides, who says that Pakistan would have to send a military force in the first place? ISIS already exists in south Asia, joining this alliance would open up new resources for Pakistan to fight them. Pakistan can use the excuse that it's already fighting ISIS, and not have to send any soldier over seas, which would appease the alliance, and it would give Pakistan an opportunity to acquire newer defense aquisitions.
ISIS or another extremist hateful mentality is already here, its on this forum, your workplace/university, your neighbourhood...your extended family. But because it involves question of religion; not many will have the guts or even the knowledge to stand up to it.
@MastanKhan @Irfan Baloch
Brothers have look KSA include us without our consent ?
Talking to journalists, Foreign Secretary Aizaz Chaudhry said he was surprised to read the news that Saudi Arabia had named Pakistan as part of the alliance.
He said he had asked the country’s ambassador in Riyadh to get a clarification from Saudi Arabia on the matter.
Know more: Pakistan part of 34-state Islamic military alliance against terrorism, says KSA
Another senior official also confirmed that Pakistan was not consulted before inclusion in the alliance.
In a statement on Tuesday, the Saudi government surprised many countries by announcing that it had forged a coalition for coordinating and supporting military operations against terrorism in Iraq, Syria, Libya, Egypt and Afghanistan. The headquarters of the new Saudi-led coalition would be based in Riyadh.
This is not the first time that Saudi Arabia has named Pakistan as part of its military alliances without Islamabad’s knowledge and consent. The Saudis earlier named Pakistan as part of the coalition that carried out operations in Yemen and a Pakistani flag was displayed at the alliance’s media centre.
Pakistan later declined to join the Yemen war.
It is Pakistani government’s policy that it will not deploy its troops outside the country’s borders except for UN peacekeeping missions.
In the past Pakistan has twice rejected US calls for joining alliances against the militant Islamic State (IS) group on the same pretext.
“We are not looking for any involvement outside our region,” army spokesman Lt Gen Asim Bajwa had said last month while replying to a question about the possibility of Pakistan becoming part of a US-led coalition against IS.
It is unclear how Riyadh went ahead with announcing Pakistan’s participation in the new alliance. It is also difficult to speculate if Islamabad will change its policy because of its close ties with the kingdom.
Pakistan, however, has counter-terrorism cooperation with Saudi Arabia.
The IS operations and activities across the Middle East have led to military responses executed by alliances that most of the time rival each other. Syria has been battling IS and other militants with the help of Iran and Russia.
The US, which is supporting groups trying to topple Syrian President Bashar al-Assad, is meanwhile leading another alliance against IS.
Iran has led military efforts along with the Iraqi army and volunteers in the fight against IS in Iraq. The US-led alliance has been supporting the ground operations against IS with their air strikes.
Published in Dawn, December 16th, 2015
Pakistan surprised by its inclusion in military alliance
BAQIR SAJJAD SYED — PUBLISHED 25 MINUTES AGO
4 COMMENTS
PRINTISLAMABAD: Pakistan found itself in the crosshairs of Middle Eastern politics on Tuesday as Saudi Arabia named it as part of its newly formed 34-nation military alliance of Muslim countries meant to combat terrorism, without first getting its consent.
Talking to journalists, Foreign Secretary Aizaz Chaudhry said he was surprised to read the news that Saudi Arabia had named Pakistan as part of the alliance.
He said he had asked the country’s ambassador in Riyadh to get a clarification from Saudi Arabia on the matter.
Know more: Pakistan part of 34-state Islamic military alliance against terrorism, says KSA
Another senior official also confirmed that Pakistan was not consulted before inclusion in the alliance.
In a statement on Tuesday, the Saudi government surprised many countries by announcing that it had forged a coalition for coordinating and supporting military operations against terrorism in Iraq, Syria, Libya, Egypt and Afghanistan. The headquarters of the new Saudi-led coalition would be based in Riyadh.
This is not the first time that Saudi Arabia has named Pakistan as part of its military alliances without Islamabad’s knowledge and consent. The Saudis earlier named Pakistan as part of the coalition that carried out operations in Yemen and a Pakistani flag was displayed at the alliance’s media centre.
Pakistan later declined to join the Yemen war.
It is Pakistani government’s policy that it will not deploy its troops outside the country’s borders except for UN peacekeeping missions.
In the past Pakistan has twice rejected US calls for joining alliances against the militant Islamic State (IS) group on the same pretext.
“We are not looking for any involvement outside our region,” army spokesman Lt Gen Asim Bajwa had said last month while replying to a question about the possibility of Pakistan becoming part of a US-led coalition against IS.
It is unclear how Riyadh went ahead with announcing Pakistan’s participation in the new alliance. It is also difficult to speculate if Islamabad will change its policy because of its close ties with the kingdom.
Pakistan, however, has counter-terrorism cooperation with Saudi Arabia.
The IS operations and activities across the Middle East have led to military responses executed by alliances that most of the time rival each other. Syria has been battling IS and other militants with the help of Iran and Russia.
The US, which is supporting groups trying to topple Syrian President Bashar al-Assad, is meanwhile leading another alliance against IS.
Iran has led military efforts along with the Iraqi army and volunteers in the fight against IS in Iraq. The US-led alliance has been supporting the ground operations against IS with their air strikes.
Published in Dawn, December 16th, 2015
Anyone who has dealt with our Arab brothers know this type of psychological, blackmail. Shame on them! They want to fight terrorists by terrorizing others to join their gang.
Pakistan MUST not join the gangsters led by House of Al-Saud. Our love and respect for the people of Arabia will come to their aid if they're attacked, not to keep the HofS in power. They're using us!
On a personal note; out of ALL the Arabs I like the Hijazis the most.
The Saudis are soo desperate !. Pakistan will not join this alliance !!
Is the Military surprised or the Civilian government?
We all know where Pakistan is involved the two operate on separate spectrum, for better or worse.
Pakistan surprised by its inclusion in military alliance
why 2 forums ....
No doubt real Hijazi are people of land. From poetry to art they outclass all arab. But they been oppressed last hundred years. Disperse or silent.
This is another attempt to drag Pakistan into the Middle East Chao's.
Our immediate area of concern should be the border areas of Afghanistan and preventing ISIS from gaining a foothold there and that is it.....
We have enormous security challenges still within this country
MQM still rules Karachi although the militant wing is curtailed
The Baloch insurgency is still breathing
We are sitting on a sectarian time bomb
LeJ present in Punjab with its madressahs and is setting up its new power center in rural Sindh
Some folks from Parachinar being recruited by IRGC who will return some day
We can't even take out Mullah Burqa in the middle of the capital for God's sake
Very immature of the Saudis if they announced this without even consulting us
Is the Military surprised or the Civilian government?
We all know where Pakistan is involved the two operate on separate spectrum, for better or worse.
Both are pretty much on the same page.
---
I thought the Saudis would have learned by now. Regardless, I think Pakistan may (and should) join this alliance, if only as a symbolic gesture. Pakistan doesn't have to send a massive amount of soldiers, a token force will be enough to appease them. Besides, ISIS is going to be a problem for Pakistan, may as well start countering them from the beginning, instead of waiting a few years like Pakistan did with the TTP.
Both were surprised and angry. Both don't want to get involved in Middle East.
Well, I dont know who is fooling whom.
I felt the same after a Saud-sponsored interfaith conference where the Saudis presumed upon their guests to draw up the final statement in their names. But is this an "Arab" characteristic or just a Saud one?
Is it true that air runs freely between the ears of Indians?
We need to stay far the fvck away from that regional mess. It' an Arab and American/Western created mess let them sort it out or destroy the region, whatever happens first. Not our problem we have enough to deal with in South/Central Asia.
Interesting....either they are planning on throwing some major $$$ the way of Pakistan assuming they can buy support again from politicians, or they are way out of line and have no clue about what the world at large thinks of them.
the Sauds are not custodians of the Arabs so no - it isnt. And as far as we are concerned it's not our fight. Joining such an "alliance" is purely cosmetic. Me personally i'm against it. Sooner or later, the Saudis and Iranians will have to sit down and talk and quit acting like school-boys engaged in d1ck measuring contest. It's futile and their actions are causing more problems than they are solving
You mean, they did not even bother to ask politely beforehand?
Diplomatically this is just way off mark. And from the point of sovereignty, it is absolutely unacceptable and insulting; to phrase it in a very mild diplomatic language. After all Pakistan or country X or Y is not a colony of Saudi Arabia whose matters of defense and foreign policy are decided and announced in Riyadh without even consulting the national assembly, the defense ministry or foreign office of the said nation. This used to happen in Apartheid South Africa where the news of alliances of Bantustans headed by apartheid regime used to be announced on TV without consulting the people of Bantustans themselves.
Have Turks been consulted? Or for that matter Indonesia, the most populous Muslim nation? What about Oman an old time member of GCC?
After all, if the armies, air forces and Generals and Admirals of these nations from today, are to receive their orders from Riyadh signed duly by a 30 year old prince, then these Generals and Admirals should be informed as such through secured and encrypted communication channels, not through 8 'Oclock news from Riyadh.
Anyways. United States was the first to congratulate and endorse this "alliance" headquartered in Riyadh. So, there you go.
Who are these Hijazis?
We made our stand clear when Parliament voted against joining the intervention in Yemen. Our national interests are not for sale.
pretty much my views on it as well
We dont take orders from anyone. We know Nawaz Sharif has close ties to Saudi royals but that's why it's a good thing the military has a good say in foreign policy and strategic matters. And the military flatly stated - NO intervention in Yemen, and Syria isnt our fight. We wont embattle ourselves in MESSES created to divide the Ummah. Not happening.
lets stay away from jews,sunnis and shia conflicts
I am baffled, what benefit does Pakistan get from this? Joining a league under SA is asking for disaster, SA is looking for a new route of influence now that their oil dominance and OPEC are running dry (pun intended), nothing more. Even your token soldiers will be sacrificial pawns against their proxy war against Iran.
Read again.
That was US, this is SA. Whole new ballgame.
Pakistan already rejected joining SA's alliance in Yemen. This isn't a new ballgame.
its a trap. Pakistan should stay away.
SA clearly didn't get the memo, hence the inclusion.
Isme poochna kya hai......ghar ki hi toh baat hai...
Normally, you'd be right, but history is disturbingly starting to repeat itself. Pakistan left the TTP alone, because it thought that they would eventually collapse, if peace talks were initiated, which didn't happen. ISIS is the new gang in town, and while Pakistan will never negotiate with them, it seems that Pakistan is once again using a "wait and see" approach.
Besides, who says that Pakistan would have to send a military force in the first place? ISIS already exists in south Asia, joining this alliance would open up new resources for Pakistan to fight them. Pakistan can use the excuse that it's already fighting ISIS, and not have to send any soldier over seas, which would appease the alliance, and it would give Pakistan an opportunity to acquire newer defense aquisitions.
Because most of our politicians, and till recently the establishment have been bedfellows with these guys. Until Hizb-ut-Tahrir tried to create a coup and steal nukes.. they were considered a viable candidate to push in Afg and Kashmir.
ISIS or another extremist hateful mentality is already here, its on this forum, your workplace/university, your neighbourhood...your extended family. But because it involves question of religion; not many will have the guts or even the knowledge to stand up to it.
@MastanKhan @Irfan Baloch
Brothers have look KSA include us without our consent ?
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