Pakistan Succesful Test Fired Hatf-VIII Ra'ad ALCM

[farhan_9909]

Second Nav area warning was also the same.

New Notam

No,it was a different NOTAM with exact range of 1700km and @The Deterrent posted it and exactly tomorrow shaheen II was tested.

i will post it later tonight

 

[shaheenmissile]

Confirmed..how?

Last time it Pakistan issued a 2500-3000 Km Nav area warning, it turned out to be 1500 Km Shaheen 2 test.

Pakistan successfully test fires nuclear capable Shaheen-II ballistic missile

 

[Viper0011.]

Good observation. But whi it can't be missile number 208?

2 represents the Naval version (like type 2 for the Navy, 1 for the initial ATG version), missile number 8.

 

[Mutakalim]

Congratulations on this missile test. Some body posted that the speed of this missile is 0.7 to 0.8 mach. Isn't it slow. Can an anti aircraft hit it ?

difficult part is detection. If it is detected it can be easily gunned down.

 

[The Deterrent]

Are you 110% sure?

I've heard stuff to the contrary.

More than that.

You heard it wrong, I'm afraid.

Confirmed..how?

Last time it Pakistan issued a 2500-3000 Km Nav area warning, it turned out to be 1500 Km Shaheen 2 test.

Pakistan successfully test fires nuclear capable Shaheen-II ballistic missile

O bhai maan jaya karo hamari bhi


1. First Notice (NTM/Securite) for supposedly new IRBM (Scheduled for 06-07 Nov):

SECURITE

310909 UTC OCT 2014

NAVAREA NINE (.) 298 (.) ARABIAN SEA (.) PAKISTAN (.)
CHARTS BA 4071 AND 4705 (.)

2. MISSILE FIRING WILL BE CARRIED OUT BETWEEN 0400 TO
0700 UTC ON 07 AND 08 NOV 14 IN AREA BOUNDED BY FOLLOWING
COORDINATES:

A. (1) 23-29.57N 065-18.45E
(2) 23-22.02N 065-33.60E
(3) 22-34.59N 065-04.46E
(4) 22-42.68N 064-49.01E

B. (1) 06-24.69N 055-40.54E
(2) 06-13.80N 055-59.49E
(3) 05-27.12N 055-32.11E
(4) 05-37.90N 055-13.29E

ALTITUDE 692000 METRES

3. SHIPS AND CRAFT ARE TO KEEP WELL CLEAR AND NOT TO
ENTER ASSIGNED DANGER AREA ON ABVOE SPECIFIED DATES AND TIME (.)

4. CANCEL THIS MESSAGE ON 080900 UTC NOV 14.

2. Second Notice (NOTAM) for supposedly new IRBM (Scheduled for 29-30 Nov):

DTG 24103 Z ROUTINE
FROM NAVAREA VII CO-ORDINATOR UNCLAS
TO NAVAREA VII – 626
----------------------------------------------------------------- ARABIAN SEA (.) CHARTS INT 71 INT 72 (.) REFER TO NAVAREA IX MESAGE 324 (.)
MISILE FIRING AT 692000 METRES HEIGHT SCHEDULED BETWEN 040 TO 070 UTC ON 29
AND 30 NOV 14 IN AREA BOUNDED BY
(A) 04-17.75N 054-48.52E (B) 04-06.92N 05-07.32E
(C) 03-18.73N 054-43.6E (D) 03-29.40N 054-24.21E2.

VESELS TO KEP CLEAR OF DANGER AREA
3. CANCEL THIS MSG 3090 UTC NOV 14
24103 Z/ NOV

As you can see, both notices indicated towards the same new system (being referred to as Shaheen-III) having 692km altitude and ~2750km range.


3. Notice (NTM/Securite) for Shaheen-II (Conducted on 13 Nov):

SECURITE

111215 UTC NOV 2014


NAVAREA NINE (.) 306 (.) ARABIAN SEA (.) PAKISTAN (.) CHARTS PAK 33,
58 (INT 7019) BA 4071 AND 4705 (.)

2. MISSILE FIRING WILL BE CARRIED OUT BETWEEN 0600 TO 0900 UTC ON
13 AND 14 NOV 2014 IN AREA BOUNDED BY FOLLOWING COORDINATES:

A. (1) 25-10.63N 066-21.24E
(2) 25-02.31N 066-36.83E
(3) 24-16.71N 066-04.30E
(4) 24-25.03N 065-49.03E



B. (1) 14-40.15N 059-26.80E
(2) 14-29.64N 059-46.29E
(3) 13-43.56N 059-16.77E
(4) 13-54.61N 058-56.74E


ALTITUDE 436000 METRES

3. SHIPS AND CRAFT ARE TO KEEP WELL CLEAR AND NOT TO ENTER ASSIGNED
DANGER AREA ON ABOVE SPECIFIED DATES AND TIME (.)

4. CANCEL THIS MESSAGE ON 141100 UTC NOV 2014.

5.CANCEL NAVAREA NINE WARNING 302 OF 2014

4. Notice (NOTAM) for Shaheen-IA (Conducted on 17 Nov):

A1869/14 - DUE TO LONG/INTERMEDIATE RANGE MISSILE FRNG TEST BY PAKISTAN WI AREA BOUNDED BY COORD: 254500N 0661940E 251622.8N 0671031.6E 171331.6N 0614732.5E 174125.1N 0605859.8E 254500N 0661940E NO OVERFLYING ACT PERMITTED IN MUMBAI FIR WI ABV MENTIONED AREA. THE FLW ATS ROUTES ARE NOT AVBL 1. L301 BTN LADOT AND RASKI 2. N571 BTN DOGET AND PARAR 3. P574 BTN BOLIS AND TOTOX 4. N563 BTN KATBI AND REXOD 5. M300 BTN KADOL AND LOTAV 6. P570 BTN LATEB AND KITAL 7. L894 BTN BOLUR AND KITAL 8. L516 BTN IBVUB AND KITAL 9. T208 BTN BOLUR AND ASPUX. GND/MSL - UNL, BTN 0400-0700 DLY, 17 NOV 04:00 2014 UNTIL 19 NOV 07:00 2014. CREATED: 07 NOV 11:54 2014

 

[ares]

More than that.

You heard it wrong, I'm afraid.


O bhai maan jaya karo hamari bhi

1. First Notice (NTM/Securite) for supposedly new IRBM (Scheduled for 06-07 Nov):



2. Second Notice (NOTAM) for supposedly new IRBM (Scheduled for 29-30 Nov):



As you can see, both notices indicated towards the same new system (being referred to as Shaheen-III) having 692km altitude and ~2750km range.

Which is exactly what I am referring too, both NOTAM indicated 2750 Km range.

but after the first NOTAM Pakistan ended up firing 1500Km range Shaheen 2 missile and nothing really happened after the second one.

 

[The Deterrent]

Which is exactly what I am referring too, both NOTAM indicated 2750 Km range.

but after the first NOTAM Pakistan ended up firing 1500Km range Shaheen 2 missile and nothing really happened after the second one.

Err no, I have edited the post, take a look at it again. Both of them were cancelled. Separate NOTAM was issued for Shaheen-II for a separate date, explicitly detailing its range to be 1500km (later verified in the press release).

Are you suggesting that Pakistan simply cordoned off parts of International Waters and actually had nothing to show for? Really?

 

[Imtiaz_Sarwar]

difficult part is detection. If it is detected it can be easily gunned down.

Thank you for your reply. Today USA is experimenting with laser guns. These can blow a hole in metal with the speed of light (300000 km/s). I hope our military leaders are aware of it. If India gets it's hands on this technology, Pakistan will be in big trouble.

 

[A2Z]

350 km range seems to be fine if Pakistan can increase the range of this missile and make it supersonic if not hyper-sonic then is missile would become even deadlier. No doubt terrain hugging capability is the quality that makes Ra'ad stand out.

Thank you for your reply. Today USA is experimenting with laser guns. These can blow a hole in metal with the speed of light (300000 km/s). I hope our military leaders are aware of it. If India gets it's hands on this technology, Pakistan will be in big trouble

Source?

 

[Mutakalim]

Thank you for your reply. Today USA is experimenting with laser guns. These can blow a hole in metal with the speed of light (300000 km/s). I hope our military leaders are aware of it. If India gets it's hands on this technology, Pakistan will be in big trouble.

Laser guns are in experimental stages even in USA. So probability of their induction is limited for india in near future.

 

[Basel]

But you don't have Tom hawk. And Tom hawk is not successful against any moving target, unless there is a dedicated military satellite/ or ground intelligence to update its data per micro seconds. At sea, the scenario becomes worst.

And you will launch a UAV which will fly near Indian CBG like freely? Come on, be realistic.

Indian are living in fools heaven, its good for Pakistan because in case of war they will never realize how Pakistan struck them hard at sea, because Pakistan can defend its coasts and sea lines.

These type of UAVs are very potent threat and not easy to detect and engage as they are very small and can fly low to avoid engagement.

Boeing: ScanEagle Unmanned Aerial Vehicle

The EL/M-2248 MF-STAR onboard the kolkata class destroyer has a range of 350km
the long range radars of vikramaditya has 500km surveillance range

The Close in weapons system can kill the missiles at 1500m range in 5.5 sec
The Barak can kill the fighters
the AC's can fry the electronics within its surveillance range
Kamov Ka31 can kill the subs


What are you talking about???

Detecting does not mean you can engage them, can IN engage targets above 150km range with out help of Mig-29Ks? Specially if they want to block Gawadar which is very far from land based air bases and protected by many PAF air bases??

 

[Screambowl]

Indian are living in fools heaven, its good for Pakistan because in case of war they will never realize how Pakistan struck them hard at sea, because Pakistan can defend its coasts and sea lines.

These type of UAVs are very potent threat and not easy to detect and engage as they are very small and can fly low to avoid engagement.

Boeing: ScanEagle Unmanned Aerial Vehicle

There is nothing which is not detectable, even F117 flying at FL500 is detectable, the signature is low. From where are you going to launch a UAV, from Karachi? Come on man.

 

[Basel]

Not a major concern, the EL/M-2248 MF-STARs onboard the IN's Aircraft carriers and escorts have a detection range in excess of 300KM and if we bring in the CBG's BARCAP with the IN's MiG-29Ks the JF-17 and Mirages hardly pose a serious threat

Your radar can detect at long range but can't engage at those ranges and there are tactics to fool radars if you know how these ops are done, and JF-17 have more then enough fire power and support to make Mig-29s run for their money, please try to block Gawadar port and then you will learn the lesson hard way.

There is nothing which is not detectable, even F117 flying at FL500 is detectable, the signature is low. From where are you going to launch a UAV, from Karachi? Come on man.

There are many assets from which PN can launch UAV like those MRTPs are very portent stealthy platforms for recce and other ops.

 

[Screambowl]

There are many assets from which PN can launch UAV like those MRTPs are very portent stealthy platforms for recce and other ops.

So you are saying, that IN will not be able to detect PN ships while PN ships will launch Cruise Missile, UAV and kill all IN ships?
Ever heard of network centric warfare?

 

[Basel]

What do you think how many ships present in Indian CBG? And of which class??

There would be any sub surface vessel inside CBG incuding SSN and SSK?

What would be role of MF-STAR , Barak and Shatil? How many fleet capable SAM exist in a whole CBG?

What would be the role of mig-29k, kamov 31 and 28?

And you think that PN don't have those kind of assets?? PN is small and don't have ACC or N Sub but they have all necessary equipment to avoid blockade of sea ports in future, they have learned the lesson hard way so they will make no mistakes now, PN have all stuff available as per their doctrine.

So you are saying, that IN will not be able to detect PN ships while PN ships will launch Cruise Missile, UAV and kill all IN ships?
Ever heard of network centric warfare?

When I said that?? detection does not mean you have weapons to engange or radars can't be fooled or jammed, PAF AWACS are there to find sea and air based target at 450 km range and please don't bring NCW here as PN is also fully NCW capable now all 03 forces are now NCW capable and linked with each other for joint ops.