Pakistan starts production of avionics for JF-17 Thunder jet

[ramu]

Yeah, when looked from Indian view point, it definitely has doubts in everything where IF is used, but this same IF used on the Indian future programs, that becomes a reality with no doubt in it.

By the way WS-13 specifications as told are much superior when compared to RD-93, so the statement by Sanchez is correct that IF the engine is matured, as its right now in testing stage, it will be superior to RD-93s.

The IF is compulsory, as the engine is in development and has just entered into flight testing. Once matured, it would be better then or equal in performance to a RD-93.

TaimiKhan, no offence. The sentence was to say it is better if it matures and therefore the significance of the if was amplified. It ticked my funny vein and I could not resist writing it.

I make fun of our LCA program and the Arjun too. DRDO and other arms in India hype up so much about aggressive delivery date that it makes them a laughing stock in world community but they don't learn.

Anyway, it was all in the spirit of constructive criticism.

 

[Peregrine]

Hi
Any information on this new radar which is rumored to be developed for Egyptian JF-17's?

 

[IndianArmy]

@ Taimikhan.. WS-13 is better than RD-93 when it comes to thrust..... Even Kaveri is when it comes to thrust.... I dont know On what basis to judge Engines, Just my 2 cents...

 

[Peregrine]

@ Taimikhan.. WS-13 is better than RD-93 when it comes to thrust..... Even Kaveri is when it comes to thrust.... I dont know On what basis to judge Engines, Just my 2 cents...

HI
WS-13 also has TVC its not only the thrust if i am not wrong

 

[IndianArmy]

HI
WS-13 also has TVC its not only the thrust if i am not wrong

Iam not a technical man, I have no Idea dear, I just googled and shared the Info.... But as per some gogling , It says Ws-10 has TVC but not WS-13.... May be Taimikhan or Zaki or Ptdm3 or Lt prateek can help u better with this

 

[Kompromat]

HI
WS-13 also has TVC its not only the thrust if i am not wrong

The TVC project is called the Taishan WS-12B (supposedly) but there are not much details available on this engine.

It is based on RD-93 and supposed to have 95-100KTN Thrust and TVC nozzles.
The project is in the development and the description material i was provided clearly stated that the engine is being developed for FC-1.

The smoke problem has been solved to a greater extent too and WS-12 is supposed to be ready by the year 2012-2013.

Regards:

 

[Peregrine]

Iam not a technical man, I have no Idea dear, I just googled and shared the Info.... But as per some gogling , It says Ws-10 has TVC but not WS-13.... May be Taimikhan or Zaki or Ptdm3 or Lt prateek can help u better with this

Hi
Yes you are right it is not the one with TVC but here here are its specifications quoted by a member on PDF

WS-13 engine specifications:

1.It uses solid titanium alloy fan blades.
2.It has a digital authority control system.
3.It has a thrust of about 7.8.
4.It's length is about 4.14 metres.
5.It's diameter is about 1.02 metres.
6.Dry weight of the WS-13 is about 1,135 kg.
7.Maximum thrust of the engine is about is about 86.37 kn.
8.Cruise thrust is about 51.2 kn.
9.Needs an overhaul for every 810 hours.
10.Total life of the engine is about 2200 hours.

 

[QADRI]

Hi
Yes you are right it is not the one with TVC but here here are its specifications quoted by a member on PDF

so Pakistani JF-17 will have WS-13 engine without TVC?

 

[TaimiKhan]

@ Taimikhan.. WS-13 is better than RD-93 when it comes to thrust..... Even Kaveri is when it comes to thrust.... I dont know On what basis to judge Engines, Just my 2 cents...

Its not just thrust, RD-93 has no FADEC system, rather its something like Digital Electronic Engine Control, inferior to FADEC system. Fuel consumption of WS-13 is said to be better then RD-93, the by pass ratio is said to be better, RD-93 has 0.49 while WS-13 is said to be having 0.57, then the time between overhaul and the total engine life are said to be superior then the current RD-93s. Then it comes to price, would probably be cheaper compared to Russian, and most important of all, we would be free of the tension of the Russian factor, where India can influence if it comes to that.

The reliability and availability of Russian systems is i believe well know to you guys, so this one thing alone makes it one hell of an advantage.

 

[Sanchez]

TVC is a tech module that can be fit onto different engines if needed. Chinese 3D TVC first appeared in early 2000. As far as I know China is only seriously working on integration of TVC onto the WS-15 engine.

 

[Kompromat]

TVC is a tech module that can be fit onto different engines if needed. Chinese 3D TVC first appeared in early 2000. As far as I know China is only seriously working on integration of TVC onto the WS-15 engine.

It will make much more sense for a stealth air craft.

 

[wild peace]

"Fierce Dragon" motor home is nearing completion (Picture)

"Fierce Dragon" is currently being used by the Russian RD33 RD93 improved turbofan engine.
据航空报报道，红湖机械厂2005年全面启动WS13项目的核心机和整机研制任务，推动工厂由生产涡喷型发动机向生产涡扇型发动机的转变。According to aviation newspaper reported that the Red Lake plant started in 2005 WS13's core mission to develop aircraft and components, promoting the production of turbine jet engine from the factory to produce vortex fan engine change.

WS13核心机的关键部件之一环形火焰筒需要在内腔WS13 one of the key components in the core aircraft fire extinguishers are required cavity ring


进行高温陶瓷加工，这种陶瓷是从未使用过的新材料。High temperature ceramics, which was never used in the new ceramic material. 面对挑战，红湖厂6车间工艺室主任兼陶瓷主管工艺员成文卫勇挑重担，经过多方查阅资料和自行设计工艺参数，终于成功完成了高温火焰筒的陶瓷加工。 Faced with this challenge, the director of the Red Lake plant six Shop for ceramic craft into culture, health and the nation. With various design parameters and data access, fire extinguishers successfully completed a high temperature of the ceramic processing. 结果表明，产品实物的各项技术指标和外观质量都达到了样机标准，个别指标还超过了样机标准。The results showed that the kind of products and various technical indicators have reached the prototype exterior quality standards individual indicators also exceeded the standard prototype.

而早在2003年，关键性的FC-1动力国产As early as in 2003, made a key driving force for the FTC-1 化工Chemical 作就已经开始。For it has begun. 中航一集团宣布，贵州航空发动机研究所配合FC-1的研制工作，开展了涡轮风扇发动机关键技术研究和新型涡轮风扇发动机设计出图等工作，拉开了黎阳 AVIC Group Ⅰ announced that the FTC-1 with the Guizhou Institute of Aero-engine development work. Key Technology launched a turbofan engine turbofan engine design, and a new work plan started hong 公司Company 涡轮风扇发动机研制的序幕。Turbofan engine developed in the district.

FC-1FTC- 1 国产Domestic 化发动机——WS-13（RD-33的国产改进型）已经进行3 年。Engine --WS-13 (RD-33 built Improved) has been carried out for three years. 该发动机长4.14米，最大外直径1.02米，交付使用重量1135千克。The engine 4.14 meters long, 1.02 meters in diameter outside the largest, weighing 1,135 kg delivery. 推重比7.8，加力推力86.37千牛，耗油率2.02千克/十牛小时。Hold in esteem than 7.8, 86.37 kN thrust Afterburner, consumption was 2.02 kg / hour 10 cattle. 最大状态中间推力56.75千牛，耗油率0.73/十牛小时。56.75 kN thrust among the largest state, oil consumption cattle 0.73/ 10 hours. 巡航推力51.2千牛，耗油率0.65/十牛小时。51.2 kN thrust cruise, oil consumption cattle 0.65/ 10 hours. 进气量80千克/秒，函道比0.57，涡轮前温度1650K，总压比23。Aeration 80 kg / seconds, more than 0.57 letter Road, turbine temperature of 1650K ago, the total pressure than 23. 大修间隔810小时，总寿命为2200小时。The overhaul interval of 810 hours, with a total life of 2,200 hours. (编者注：该发动机的大修间隔和总使用寿命指标均远远超越RD33发动机）(Editor's Note : The engine and the overhaul interval of life indicators have far exceeded the total engine RD33)

The engine uses a three-string wide solid titanium axial 合金Alloy 的风扇叶片，经两极电化学处理的整体叶盘结构，风扇前有电脑控制的可变弯度导流叶片，扩大风扇稳定工作范围。The fan blades, leaves the overall structure of the bipolar electrochemical treatment. former fans are computer-controlled variable steering guide vane, fans expand the scope of the work. 8级轴流式高压压气机(前三级为可调导流叶&#29255单级低压涡轮采用空心气冷转子叶片，单级高压涡轮为单晶涡轮叶片和导向器叶片，环形燃烧室，有叶尖间隙控制的空气热交换器，综合数字式全权限控制系统。8 axial pressure compressor (for the former three adjustable guide vane) used hollow-cooled single-stage low-pressure turbine rotor blade. single crystal turbine blades for the high-pressure turbine blade and a guide, annular combustor. a tip clearance control air heat exchanger and integrated digital control system for the whole authority. 齿轮箱和附件位于发动机的下方，性能先进的微型涡轮辅助动力装置。The annex is located below the engine and gear box, advanced micro-turbine auxiliary power devices.

WS- 13的大部分零部件可以利用RD-33的，部分只需略加改良，小部分是新研制的。Most of the parts can be used RD-33 WS-13, some only slightly modified, is a small part of the new development. 外廓尺寸相近，引进了改良后的RD-33的大部分生产工艺设备对一条WP-13生产线进行技术改造，俄方负责培训技术人员和部分工人，培训完一批工人连设备一起运回，安装调试进行生产，合理安排各部件生产进度，交叉并行进行。Contour similar size. The introduction of improved production technology equipment to a RD-33 WP-13 most of the production line technology, Russia responsible for the training of technical staff and some workers, a number of workers have the training equipment shipped back together, installation and testing of production. reasonable arrangements for the various components of production. cross parallel. 由中俄双方在RD-33的设计基础上，对局部结构设计进行改良，WS-13将被命名为“天山-21”。By the Chinese and Russian sides in RD-33 based on the design of the local structure design improvement WS-13 will be named the "Tianshan 21." (C001)(C001

 

[mughaljee]

I'm waiting for the day when Pakistan can build the engine for its JF-17s. That will be the day for real celebration!

Insha Allah , this will be happened in future soon.

 

[Jazzbot]

great news for Pakistan

 

[aimarraul]

Its not just thrust, RD-93 has no FADEC system, rather its something like Digital Electronic Engine Control, inferior to FADEC system. .