Pakistan Starts Producing Tight Gas

[Gentelman]

@RiazHaq what is this thing shale oil??
can this be converted into petrolium??
and how can Pakistan take benifit from it if GOP work on this project??

 

[ziaulislam]

@RiazHaq what is this thing shale oil??
can this be converted into petrolium??
and how can Pakistan take benifit from it if GOP work on this project??

fossil fuel i.e anything that was formed from dead organic material consists mainly of
1. coal..very abudant..but very dirty..can be used for anything but requires extensive processing ..syn gas can be manufactured but its dirty and expensive if used for that
2. conventional gas..its easy to take out because presuure is developed itself from gas field
3.tight gas..its difficult to extract than conventional gas because of lack of pressure and difficult extractiblity
4.shale gas/Oil..difficult than to extract from tight gas because you have to pump in something to get out the gas..i.e water..
5.Coalbed methane..its something old but not extracted much..simply its gas formed above coal reserves underground..very useful but requires some expetise..pakistan has large reserves of those
6.underground coal gasification.
an old process but very experimental not used much as it requires some ideal conditions..i.e very large reserves, low grade and low risk of undergroung contanimation
they burn the coal underground without air causing gas to be produced..pakistan has one small experimental plant in thar.


Nutshell we till now are only using convential gas that too only in sindh basin(sui also come in sindh basin it lies on boarder of sindh/baluchistan) and potohar region
baluchistan has very huge prospectives but is completly unexplored

 

[tanzeel736]

We are one of the largest countries in the world, if we can fuel our industry to full capacity then we can become an absolute powerhouse.

By 2045-2050 Pakistan will be a developed state. It will look nothing like it does now.

It is inevitable, it is our destiny.

Sorry, not going to happen. The socioeconomic environment just isn't right for that kind of growth. The last country to go from the level of development that Pakistan is at right now to a fully developed country in 40-50 years was South Korea and they had a lot going for them that Pakistan simply doesn't.

To begin with, we can't go for massive export led industrialization like Korea or Taiwan did since they didn't have to compete with China in it's present form, something that just can't be done at the moment(through sheer economies of scale, they make it impossible to compete with them on cost in basic industries that are needed to start an industrialization drive).

Then there's the cultural issues. Korea's education culture blows ours out of the water. They were mortgaging their houses to provide their kids with education, we still have tens of millions who willingly withhold education from their children for various reasons, my favorites being that it doesn't produce immediate returns and others who believe that it's unislamic to let girls go to school.

When Pakistan chose to be an Islamic state, it willingly accepted all the negative externalities that come with that decision. For one, our clerical classes control large parts of the education system that massively brings down the quality of education especially in the field science and technology. The madrassa system produces millions of unproductive(for the purpose of industrialization, a madrassa student is the same as someone with no education) graduates who not only don't help the economy but actually add to it's burden by contributing massively to population growth and given their backgrounds, their kids don't tend to be much better than them. Second, there's a worldwide precedent for increased educational achievement having a very strong inverse correlation with religious observance, something that drastically reduces the clerical classes' influence and you can see our religious establishment going all out to prevent such a thing from happening here. All said, the education system, both in terms of coverage and quality, simply cannot support Korea like industrialization until Pakistan neuters its religious establishment, on paper and in practice. Do not expect a country where 2/3rds of the population comprises the Maudoodi influenced Zia generation and their children to achieve anything even slightly resembling the Korean miracle. In 2050, Pakistan would realistically be at a comparable level of development to the Philippines or Indonesia today with an inflation adjusted per capita GDP of around $3000-$5000 in 2010 dollars(for comparison, Pakistan's GDP per capita in 1960 was $620 in 2010 dollars while it was around $1200 in 2010). It's delusional to think otherwise with all the structural flaws that plague the country's economic system and social fabric.

 

[xyxmt]

speaking of tight gas, I had too much to eat for iftaar.

save it for tomorrow's iftar, say mom Gas is on me, just figure out how to disconnect stove from sui gas and connect it you know where...free cooking for Ramzan, take that Sui Southern

 

[Chak Bamu]

Sorry, not going to happen. The socioeconomic environment just isn't right for that kind of growth. The last country to go from the level of development that Pakistan is at right now to a fully developed country in 40-50 years was South Korea and they had a lot going for them that Pakistan simply doesn't.

To begin with, we can't go for massive export led industrialization like Korea or Taiwan did since they didn't have to compete with China in it's present form, something that just can't be done at the moment(through sheer economies of scale, they make it impossible to compete with them on cost in basic industries that are needed to start an industrialization drive).

Then there's the cultural issues. Korea's education culture blows ours out of the water. They were mortgaging their houses to provide their kids with education, we still have tens of millions who willingly withhold education from their children for various reasons, my favorites being that it doesn't produce immediate returns and others who believe that it's unislamic to let girls go to school.

When Pakistan chose to be an Islamic state, it willingly accepted all the negative externalities that come with that decision. For one, our clerical classes control large parts of the education system that massively brings down the quality of education especially in the field science and technology. The madrassa system produces millions of unproductive(for the purpose of industrialization, a madrassa student is the same as someone with no education) graduates who not only don't help the economy but actually add to it's burden by contributing massively to population growth and given their backgrounds, their kids don't tend to be much better than them. Second, there's a worldwide precedent for increased educational achievement having a very strong inverse correlation with religious observance, something that drastically reduces the clerical classes' influence and you can see our religious establishment going all out to prevent such a thing from happening here. All said, the education system, both in terms of coverage and quality, simply cannot support Korea like industrialization until Pakistan neuters its religious establishment, on paper and in practice. Do not expect a country where 2/3rds of the population comprises the Maudoodi influenced Zia generation and their children to achieve anything even slightly resembling the Korean miracle. In 2050, Pakistan would realistically be at a comparable level of development to the Philippines or Indonesia today with an inflation adjusted per capita GDP of around $3000-$5000 in 2010 dollars(for comparison, Pakistan's GDP per capita in 1960 was $620 in 2010 dollars while it was around $1200 in 2010). It's delusional to think otherwise with all the structural flaws that plague the country's economic system and social fabric.

What does this rant have to do with the thread?

Lots of pet liberal theories and purposeful obfuscation. e.g. Madrassahs exist because of abysmal funding for education sector. That is a consequence of various factors. The pamphlet you read does not extend your view enough to be able to understand the issue in its complexity.

We are who we are and you would not succeed in making us something else. Keep dreaming and happy ranting.

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

save it for tomorrow's iftar, say mom Gas is on me, just figure out how to disconnect stove from sui gas and connect it you know where...free cooking for Ramzan, take that Sui Southern

LMAOOOOOOOO.

 

[dawn_news]

Sorry, not going to happen. The socioeconomic environment just isn't right for that kind of growth. The last country to go from the level of development that Pakistan is at right now to a fully developed country in 40-50 years was South Korea and they had a lot going for them that Pakistan simply doesn't.

To begin with, we can't go for massive export led industrialization like Korea or Taiwan did since they didn't have to compete with China in it's present form, something that just can't be done at the moment(through sheer economies of scale, they make it impossible to compete with them on cost in basic industries that are needed to start an industrialization drive).

Then there's the cultural issues. Korea's education culture blows ours out of the water. They were mortgaging their houses to provide their kids with education, we still have tens of millions who willingly withhold education from their children for various reasons, my favorites being that it doesn't produce immediate returns and others who believe that it's unislamic to let girls go to school.

When Pakistan chose to be an Islamic state, it willingly accepted all the negative externalities that come with that decision. For one, our clerical classes control large parts of the education system that massively brings down the quality of education especially in the field science and technology. The madrassa system produces millions of unproductive(for the purpose of industrialization, a madrassa student is the same as someone with no education) graduates who not only don't help the economy but actually add to it's burden by contributing massively to population growth and given their backgrounds, their kids don't tend to be much better than them. Second, there's a worldwide precedent for increased educational achievement having a very strong inverse correlation with religious observance, something that drastically reduces the clerical classes' influence and you can see our religious establishment going all out to prevent such a thing from happening here. All said, the education system, both in terms of coverage and quality, simply cannot support Korea like industrialization until Pakistan neuters its religious establishment, on paper and in practice. Do not expect a country where 2/3rds of the population comprises the Maudoodi influenced Zia generation and their children to achieve anything even slightly resembling the Korean miracle. In 2050, Pakistan would realistically be at a comparable level of development to the Philippines or Indonesia today with an inflation adjusted per capita GDP of around $3000-$5000 in 2010 dollars(for comparison, Pakistan's GDP per capita in 1960 was $620 in 2010 dollars while it was around $1200 in 2010). It's delusional to think otherwise with all the structural flaws that plague the country's economic system and social fabric.

Whats up buddy, how pp is doing?

 

[jarves]

Congratulations to Pakistan.