Pakistan spreading propaganda about 1971 genocide: PM

[takeiteasy]

I met a Bangladeshi young man recently in Delhi. He came from Sylhet to attend some European country's visa interview. His name - "Jia ul Haq" - Does this sound familiar? Pakistan's ex-president's name - Zia Ul Haq. They adore Pakistan as a nation, many of them. In fact, even India too (may be a little more than Pakistan in some of their regions). There seems to be an inferiority complex in many. What is more amazing is these guys has learned Hindi and are good in conversing in Hindi (not Urdu).

 

[Finer]

Clearly, you seem to have some sort of fantasy for using Bangladesh as a vehicle for "proxy war" with India. I'm fairly certain no one of importance in the Pakistani government shares your opinion. How and why we would do such a thing, I'm still not sure. You make it sound so easy. But best of luck to you and your fantasy.

That fantasy is called Intel generation war which is being waged by every Intelligent agency in the world. The only different is that you see it as fantasy which indeed suggest you are really out of the loop, no offense.

No one in Pakistan that I've met cares about Bangladesh. Not even a little bit. Ethnicity has nothing to with it. Most people in Pakistan have better things to do than think about a foreign country like Bangladesh. Just like most of the other Pakistanis on this thread. Perhaps you are an exception. I'll just leave it there.

Who cares if you guys don't cares about Bangladesh. But that doesn't mean Pakistan army doesn't care either. In the long game for the long term plan, Bangladesh is important asset for Pakistan and Pakistan army.

Again, nobody care what you and the people you met think about Bangladesh. Your opinion is useless as mine in regards to Bangladesh because the real call belongs to Pakistan army that matters. And Pakistan will not hesitate to cash on if the opportunity is provided, and precisely the same reason why India cares enough to maintain its influence in Bangladesh.

Peace!

 

[Śakra]

Amazing how they've brainwashed themselves into believing there was some sort of genocide on them.

IT NEVER HAPPENED.

 

[Bilal9]

Just because Pakistan doesn't spend on Bangladesh doesn't mean Pakistan doesn't care Bangladesh. By that stance, Pakistan doesn't care about IOK either, but that is not the case, is it?

Pakistan has its base in Saudi Arabia in exchange for funds to bankroll Pakistan army and their defense projects. It is obvious.

As for Bangladesh, Pakistan is keeping an eye open for the future. It is all about long term plan which i already explained before. Again, Bangladesh is for the future in the long term plan to circle India.

Again, you haven't understood why India uses Afghanistan to undermine the stability of Pakistan, and i doubt you will understand why Pakistan will need Bangladesh in the future.




RAW funded TTP that was born in 2003-2004. Ajit Doval, in-charge of Indian NSA confessed along with the Afghan intels. The same Afghan intels and Afghanistan government are fighting against Afghan Taliban while sheltering TTP. Again, that is on the official record.

USA is officially fighting against Afghan Taliban, not TTP. That is on the official records too.

Only Pakistan is fighting against TTP while Pakistan had been hurled with the allegation of funding Afghan Taliban to keep Afghanistan and India in check while USA has agreed to cease fire in term of peace treaty and looking for exit strategy through Pakistan voluntarily to assume influences over Afghanistan.

Again, it is long term plan which India is very well aware. And it is connected from Afghanistan to Balochistan, Gilgit Baltistan and even Bangladesh.




That is because Pakistan is waiting for the right time, hence observing the current political situation. Precisely the same reason why India is desperate to maintain its influence over Bangladesh to avoid leaving empty vacuum while testing with the patience of Bangladesh as public as well.

Don't ask to explain this too.





Because i already did, yet you don't see it or didn't understand. Let's leave the future to keep you informed.
Wait for few years later, you will see why.





US main target is Afghan Taliban - the same one that is built from the collaboration of Pakistan with USA to resist USSR invasion successfully. And now USA has peace treaty with Afghan Taliban relying on Pakistan for their exit strategy.

In the next few years, it's gonna be interesting. And i can see why India is getting annoying already.





Thanks for being sport.



That means absolutely nothing. Pakistan as nation was very fond of Afghanistan for certain period of time, and now they don't. Public change opinions like weather.

That being said, most of them might be racist towards Bangladesh for the same reason Afghan Pukhtoons are racists towards Pakistan as whole.

And don't say the racism doesn't exist.

Thank you for your sane opinion. One of the few Sane and practical voices in this forum.

Bangladesh and Pakistan need to be on the same page for various reasons, the most important of which is that India needs to be 'contained' as a hegemonic country. It's simple - India will need to fight a two front conflict instead of a single front both politically and if it occurs, in real conflict - armed, proxy or otherwise. Presenting a united front on both sides of India benefits both Bangladesh and Pakistan.

Driving a wedge between the friendly and brotherly relationship between both countries benefits only India and makes its hegemony much easier to conduct. There are literally dozens of Indian false-flaggers in this forum driving this wedge by propaganda which is their number one objective.

The other Pakistanis supporting this view are either driven by racist views (not practical ones) or are simply duped by Indian false-flagger propaganda.

 

[Śakra]

It's simple - India will need to fight a two front conflict instead of a single front both politically and if it occurs, in real conflict - armed, proxy or otherwise.

Our BSF is more than enough for you. U and your compatriots scream about a so called "genocide". If you couldn't handle 70,000 tired soldiers thousands of miles away from home, get ready to see the joy 257,000 BSF paramilary fighters will bring. @Nilgiri @LA se Karachi they will cry India committed a genocide killing 300,000,000 of them.

 

[Bilal9]

I met a Bangladeshi young man recently in Delhi. He came from Sylhet to attend some European country's visa interview. His name - "Jia ul Haq" - Does this sound familiar? Pakistan's ex-president's name - Zia Ul Haq. They adore Pakistan as a nation, many of them. In fact, even India too (may be a little more than Pakistan in some of their regions). There seems to be an inferiority complex in many. What is more amazing is these guys has learned Hindi and are good in conversing in Hindi (not Urdu).

Well take it from me - there are *no* regions in Bangladesh where people really *adore* India.

Please go visit sometime and ask personally - you'll know......

Their negative views are essentially formed (and reaffirmed daily) by border killings and effed up tilted trade policies on the part of your govt. India is no friend of Bangladesh. We just have to visit there once in a while on business - that's all.

The word people use about India locally is 'step-motherly attitude'.

 

[LA se Karachi]

The other Pakistanis supporting this view are either driven by racist views (not practical ones) or are simply duped by Indian false-flagger propaganda.

Or they, like most Pakistanis, simply don't give damn about Bangladesh. Most haven't since 1974. But perhaps this simple thought is too much for your increasingly fragile psyche to handle.


Yet another false-flagger:

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/why-bangladesh.480206/page-2#post-9246024

Driving a wedge between the friendly and brotherly relationship between both countries benefits only India and makes its hegemony much easier to conduct. There are literally dozens of Indian false-flaggers in this forum driving this wedge by propaganda which is their number one objective.

There is no "friendly and brotherly" relationship between the two countries, such a relationship exists only in your mind. Bangladeshi obsession with 1971 and a constant need to whine and blame others are what drive this wedge.

Bangladesh and Pakistan need to be on the same page for various reasons, the most important of which is that India needs to be 'contained' as a hegemonic country. It's simple - India will need to fight a two front conflict instead of a single front both politically and if it occurs, in real conflict - armed, proxy or otherwise. Presenting a united front on both sides of India benefits both Bangladesh and Pakistan.

Lol, Pakistan and Bangladesh?

India will crush Bangladesh in a matter of weeks. The only two-front war that India fears involves Pakistan and China. Bangladesh is worthless in any armed conflict with India. We have China, we certainly don't need you.

 

[Bilal9]

Or they, like most Pakistanis, simply don't give damn about Bangladesh. Most haven't since 1974. But perhaps this simple thought is too much for your increasingly fragile psyche to handle.


Yet another false-flagger:

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/why-bangladesh.480206/page-2#post-9246024




There is no "friendly and brotherly" relationship between the two countries, such a relationship exists only in your mind. Bangladeshi obsession with 1971 and a constant need to whine and blame others are what drive this wedge.




Lol, Pakistan and Bangladesh?

India will crush Bangladesh in a matter of weeks. The only two-front war that India fears involves Pakistan and China. Bangladesh is worthless in any armed conflict with India. We have China, we certainly don't need you.

Please don't troll.

I didn't reply to you or tag you.

I was replying to @Fallen King -so please butt out.......

 

[LA se Karachi]

Please don't troll.

I didn't reply to you or tag you.

I was replying to @Fallen King -so please butt out.......

No one was trolling. Just laying out some facts, that's all. This is a discussion forum, and people are free to make their thoughts known. But tell yourself whatever you want...

 

[Kamikaze Pilot]

I met a Bangladeshi young man recently in Delhi. He came from Sylhet to attend some European country's visa interview. His name - "Jia ul Haq" - Does this sound familiar? Pakistan's ex-president's name - Zia Ul Haq. They adore Pakistan as a nation, many of them. In fact, even India too (may be a little more than Pakistan in some of their regions). There seems to be an inferiority complex in many. What is more amazing is these guys has learned Hindi and are good in conversing in Hindi (not Urdu).

Why should Bangladeshis come to Delhi to give interview to European organisations? Why wasn't the interview held in BD?

 

[Finer]

No one was trolling. Just laying out some facts, that's all. This is a discussion forum, and people are free to make their thoughts known. But tell yourself whatever you want...

You are laying opinions,not facts. You mean the kind of fact you call 'Intel Generation War' as fantasy whereas your comment is based on the people you met to generalize about Bangladesh as whole.

Again, you are giving opinions, not facts.

Or they, like most Pakistanis, simply don't give damn about Bangladesh. Most haven't since 1974. But perhaps this simple thought is too much for your increasingly fragile psyche to handle.


Yet another false-flagger:

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/why-bangladesh.480206/page-2#post-9246024

Again, that is your opinion which doesn't speak for Pakistan as whole. Heck, i don't agree with you is starter for proof of example.

There is no "friendly and brotherly" relationship between the two countries, such a relationship exists only in your mind. Bangladeshi obsession with 1971 and a constant need to whine and blame others are what drive this wedge.

I don't know about friendly and brotherhood relationship but majority in both nations do care about each other despite the unfortunate 71'.

Only you and the people you met disagree. Again, that is your opinions, not fact. I mean you cannot speak for the entire Pakistan just like i am not speaking for the entire Pakistan.

Lol, Pakistan and Bangladesh?

India will crush Bangladesh in a matter of weeks. The only two-front war that India fears involves Pakistan and China. Bangladesh is worthless in any armed conflict with India. We have China, we certainly don't need you.

And risk Bangladesh call for intervention [Pakistan and China]? India is not stupid to risk crushing after investing on Bangladesh to preserve its influence intact.

How can you find yourself laughing on Pakistan-Bangladesh while you clarify fearing Pakistan and China in term of perspective from India which is the whole point of maintaining its influence in tact in Bangladesh leaving no chance of vulnerability waiting to be exploited?

Are you really that confused? Just asking. No offense.

 

[LA se Karachi]

Again, you are giving opinions, not facts.

The part about regional military conflict was mostly fact. And yes, the rest may have been opinion. That's what people do on this forum, they express their opinions. Perhaps you didn't know...

I don't know about friendly and brotherhood relationship but majority in both nations do care about each other despite the unfortunate 71'.

Only you and the people you met disagree. Again, that is your opinions, not fact. I mean you cannot speak for the entire Pakistan just like i am not speaking for the entire Pakistan.

Neither can you. That is just your opinion as well.

However the fact remains that most of the people on this forum seem to agree with me, not you. You can tell yourself whatever you want though. They must all be a bad sample I suppose. All of them...

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/paki...-1971-genocide-pm.479414/page-12#post-9243705

And risk Bangladesh call for intervention [Pakistan and China]? India is not stupid to risk crushing after investing on Bangladesh to preserve its influence intact.

Please read all of the posts before responding. You have a bad habit of typing before reading everything. Please don't waste my time if you are unwilling to do so. I wrote that in response to his post which discussed Bangladesh getting involved in a two-front war, to which I responded that India would crush Bangladesh quickly, if so. It is almost worthless in such a scenario.

How can you find yourself laughing on Pakistan and Bangladesh while you clarify fearing Pakistan and China in term of perspective from India which is the whole point of maintaining its influence in fact leaving no chance of vulnerability waiting to be exploited?

Pakistan has China, and that is all that India really fears, not Bangladesh. But if you want tell yourself otherwise, go ahead and do so, lol. I couldn't care less.

 

[Finer]

The part about regional military conflict was mostly fact. And yes, the rest may have been opinion. That's what people do on this forum, they express their opinions. Perhaps you didn't know...

Except you are calling your opinions as fact. There lies the differences. Just wanted to clarify especially for those who are reading your posts should not mistake your posts as facts despite your claiming your opinions as fact when it is not.

Neither can you. That is just your opinion as well.

Unfortunately i can knowing how the majority-coalition party leader that is jailed and executed to death along with the minority-elected government ruling Bangladesh against the wills of majority Bangladeshi.

I wasn't kidding when i said you are really out of the loop.

However the fact remains that most of the people on this forum seem to agree with me, not you. You can tell yourself whatever you want though. They must all be a bad sample I suppose. All of them...

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/pakistan-spreading-propaganda-about-1971-genocide-pm.479414/page-12#post-9243705

Still, that answers nothing. You tried to make it seem majority translates as official opinion on behalf of Pakistan when it is not remotely true.

Census based on forums is not the best way to ascertain the fact. But you are desperate for numbers which doesn't translate as ground reality in both nations.

Please read all of the posts before responding. You have a bad habit of typing before reading everything. Please don't waste my time if you are unwilling to do so. I wrote that in response to his post which discussed Bangladesh getting involved in a two-front war, to which I responded that India would crush Bangladesh quickly, if so. It is almost worthless in such a scenario.

And now that is called fantasy while talking about India crushing Bangladesh as if Pakistan and China are gonna sit back there and observe the whole thing go down the drain. Now you know what is the definition of the fantasy.

Pakistan has China, and that is all that India really fears, not Bangladesh. But if you want tell yourself otherwise, go ahead and do so, lol. I couldn't care less.

Since you assumed Pakistan has China, then it is also fair to assume so does Bangladesh.

Like i said, both Pakistan and China are waiting for India to make that mistake which India will not make one. Again, your theory just remain fantasy which is good for timepass discussion but hardly practical debate.

Not to mention, you pretty conflicted yourself earlier in regards to the nations India fears the most. You laughed and acknowledged at the same time. That is the definition of confused mind. Again, no offense. Hence my repeat statement which should be buckled down to the simple point as possible.


How can you find yourself laughing on Pakistan-Bangladesh while you clarify fearing Pakistan and China in term of perspective from India which is the whole point of maintaining its influence intact in Bangladesh leaving no chance of vulnerability waiting to be exploited?


You make fun of Bangladesh, see Bangladesh as no asset for Pakistan, and you points out India fears Pakistan and China the most. Why do you think India is working very hard overtime to maintain its influence in Bangladesh?

 

[LA se Karachi]

Except you are calling your opinions as fact. There lies the differences. Just wanted to clarify especially for those who are reading your posts should not mistake your posts of facts despite your claiming your opinions as fact when it is not.

Nope. Re-read my post. What I said was that the part about military conflict was fact. India would crush Bangladesh very quickly in any full-scale war. That's what I was referring to in my other post.

Unfortunately i can knowing how the majority-coalition party leader that is jailed and executed to death along with the minority-elected government ruling Bangladesh against the wills of majority Bangladeshi.

Their politics doesn't change this fact:

Still, that answers nothing. You tried to make it seem majority translates as official opinion on behalf of Pakistan when it is not remotely true.

Census based on forums is not the best way to ascertain the fact. But you are desperate for numbers which doesn't translate as ground reality in both nations.

Like I said, almost everyone on this forum must be an outlier. And only you, the great Fallen King, must be right.

And now that is called fantasy while talking about India crushing Bangladesh as if Pakistan and China are gonna sit back there and observe the whole thing go down the drain. Now you know what is the definition of the fantasy.

You still did have not read our complete exchange. Bilal9 was the one who suggested that Pakistan and Bangladesh may get involved in a two-front war with India, not me.

But you think Pakistan will spend a single life on a foreign country located a thousand miles away, and that the people in the country will allow their children to die for Bangladesh? And you even think that China will get involved too and lose lives for it too? Now that is a fantasy...

That being said, you are avoiding my point earlier which you conflicted yourself earlier.

I have no idea what you mean.

Since you assumed Pakistan has China, then it is also fair to assume so does Bangladesh.

Like i said, both Pakistan and China are waiting for India to make that mistake which India will not make one. Again, your theory just remain fantasy which is good for timepass discussion but hardly practical debate.

China has done a lot for Pakistan going back decades (unlike Bangladesh). It still is now and both countries consdier each other to be allies. I don't have to explain this to you, do I? Bangladesh, on the other hand is mostly worthless in any full-scale war with India.

 

[Finer]

Nope. Re-read my post. What I said was that the part about military conflict was fact. India would crush Bangladesh very quickly in any full-scale war. That's what I was referring to in my other post.

But the rest of your bigger portion is opinion which you claimed as fact which is refuted as strictly opinion.

That would be like saying Pakistan would crush Afghanistan easily, but the possibility of that happening is very unlikely. But you are using that as excuse to avoid dealing with the questions posited below.

Their politics doesn't change this fact:

What do you expect from the controlled census where minority-elected government is ruling against the wills of majority in Bangladesh?

Like I said, almost everyone on this forum must be an outlier. And only you, the great Fallen King, must be right.

So you are saying that everyone in Pakistan and Bangladesh have access to Internet through laptops or smart phone devices? Because we are talking about million of populations that have no access to either way.

We just saw the majority of crowds rallied for the opposition party's leader that resulted in being jailed and executed to death who maintained pro-Pakistan stance along with the majority of crowd. That is clear evidence as one can get.

But no, let's take this forum as testament of the ground reality on the behalf of the entire nation. Bravo!

You still did have not read our complete exchange. Bilal9 was the one who suggested that Pakistan and Bangladesh may get involved in a two-front war with India, not me.

He is not far off, and then you singled out Pakistan in regards to Bangladesh vs India as oppose to Pakistan/Bangladesh vs India.

He based his statement based on the likely scenario which India fears to this day [confirmation], hence working overtime to ensure its influence remain intact in Bangladesh through its vested political party which has been mentioned repeatedly yet fell on your deaf ear.

But you think Pakistan will spend a single life on a foreign country located a thousand miles away, and that the people in the country will allow their children to die for Bangladesh? And you even think that China will get involved too and lose lives for it too? Now that is a fantasy...

If Bangladesh is not important asset for Pakistan, then why India is wasting its time in Bangladesh. Why China is investing in Bangladesh? Why Pakistan is still closely monitoring the political situation which one of ISI agent was caught gathering intel information not long ago? That brings to your point.

I have no idea what you mean.

How can you find yourself laughing on Pakistan-Bangladesh while you clarify fearing Pakistan and China in term of perspective from India which is the whole point of maintaining its influence intact in Bangladesh leaving no chance of vulnerability waiting to be exploited?

Followed by the explanation in the simplest form as possible!

You make fun of Bangladesh, see Bangladesh as no asset for Pakistan, and you points out India fears Pakistan and China the most. Why do you think India is working very hard overtime to maintain its influence in Bangladesh?

China has done a lot for Pakistan going back decades (unlike Bangladesh). It still is now and both countries consdier each other to be allies. I don't have to explain this to you, do I? Bangladesh, on the other hand is mostly worthless in any full-scale war with India.

China didn't do out of goodness for Pakistan, and precisely the same reason why China is investing on Bangladesh. Only you are not able to piece it together which you already deemed Bangladesh as worthless to you while China/Pakistan and India beg to differ.