PAKISTAN, SOUTH KOREA SIGN MAJOR DEFENCE COOPERATION AGREEMENT

[PakFactor]

I beg to differ. Why?

• PAF has got J-10C and JF-17 blk 3 with AESA, PL-15, EW suits etc.
• PAF is leveraging the entire Turkish military industrial complex, which can't be ignored any longer, to its last bolts, nuts, codes etc.
• PAF has shot down the Hindutva jets with AMRAMs fired from F-16s while blinding their top most Israeli made AD systems.
• PAF is running her own programs in cooperation with some solid allies other than the USA.
• F-16s are more like assuaging the nervous Pentagon that their stakes in Pak is still intact.
• Etc.

I edited my post with some more detail(s). What you've listed is just PAF advancement, completely neglecting the PA and PN, and let's not kid ourselves IAF will acquire new platforms and more so western down the road. They already have an edge on us numbers-wise, and once the red tape is gone, they'll go up more.

Pakistan Army, I do not want to discuss its usefulness as we've seen how underequipped they are for the modern battlefield. At the same time, the PN is advancing, but it's lacking the punch it needs compared to the platforms our neighbor to the east is inducting, along with air cover.

Let's not forget the sanctions that will come and bite. It's why when I talk logistics, I do not speak about importing weapons to continue the war effort but the raw materials to manufacture and move military articles to the front lines. Unfortunately, we do not have that capacity.

As for China, they are cooperating to contain India, but it'll be enough to annoy India as they know we can't be trusted.

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

I edited my post with some more detail(s). What you've listed is just PAF advancement, completely neglecting the PA and PN, and let's not kid ourselves IAF will acquire new platforms and more so western down the road. They already have an edge on us numbers-wise, and once the red tape is gone, they'll go up more.

Pakistan Army, I do not want to discuss its usefulness as we've seen how underequipped they are for the modern battlefield. At the same time, the PN is advancing, but it's lacking the punch it needs compared to the platforms our neighbor to the east is inducting, along with air cover.

Let's not forget the sanctions that will come and bite. It's why when I talk logistics, I do not speak about importing weapons to continue the war effect but the raw materials to manufacture and move military articles to the front lines. We do not have that capacity.

Since the Indo-Pak contentions are expected to be brief but intense in the air or naval domains, if Pak can acquire the asymmetric advantages via some Turkish systems with indigenous engines (EW, 5GF, drones of all sorts, naval surface and sub-surface platforms etc.) I think Hindutva would sink much faster than the Russians...

At the end of the day, Pak needs an honest leadership, the rest are all details....

He is like Peter Pan. He never learns anything new or unlearns what he has already learnt - Jinnah on Nehru

 

[lightning F57]

@SQ8 @MastanKhan

New theory.

1. Pakistan gives up on Kashmir.
2. Pakistan stops collaborating with China.
3. The U.S. encourages South Korea, Turkey, etc, to sell Pakistan arms.
4. Pakistan re-orients focus towards Afghanistan and Iran.

It's starting to look like that's where Washington wants to steer things.

I find all 4 points a far fetch. Only thing will make all 4 possible if a Marshall type plan was implemented in Pak with full cost bourne by the west. Otherwise that's giving up lots for little gain.

 

[Abid123]

Surprised the South Koreans still are willing to work with us considering our history with North Korea.

 

[Mrc]

I am really amazed at thinking and gossip mills here...

The list of systems currently under procurement from china includes

J10 c
Jf17 3
Longest range AAM
Vt4 TANKS
upgrades to alkhalid
New armored vehicles
SH 16 nuclear capable self propelled artillery
Counter battery and counter stealth radars
Hq 9 and 16 ( missile and air defence)
Type 54 frigates
8 AIP subs ( 2nd strike / 3rd strike capability)
Drones
Plus probably double that is not announced in nuclear and strategic fields...

Can Korea or anyone else replece thsese and who in the world will supply you these without sanctions and without running you bankrupt.


Chinese themselves have refused to supply drones to Russia..so don't read too much into the perceived spat.

This Korean agreement probably is import and export agreement and will see if anything ever comes out of it ... May b some cooperation in factories and small arms. Koreans or Turks don't even have all from above mentioned list...

Sure you get hold of western tech whenever you can . It's the right thing to do

 

[Abid123]

As for China, they are cooperating to contain India, but it'll be enough to annoy India as they know we can't be trusted.

Should have gone all in the "Chinese camp". Imran Khan also needs to understand this you cant play all sides in this world. You have to choose one. Pakistan is not Sweden, we cant have a "neutral" foreign policy.

There is a reason China would maybe willing to share tech with NK and Iran that they may not want to share with us.

 

[Mrc]

Should have gone all in the "Chinese camp". Imran Khan also needs to understand this you cant play all sides in this world. You have to choose one. Pakistan is not Sweden, we cant have a "neutral" foreign policy.

There is a reason China would maybe willing to share tech with NK and Iran that they may not want to share with us.

Which tech exactly did they share with Iran or NK.that pakistan has not received?

 

[Riz]

Long live traitor general.

Kutton ki bhi koi zindgi ha ? Kabhi kisi k dar par kabhi ksi k dar par , jo roti daly ga dum hila dain ga

 

[arslank03]

Should have gone all in the "Chinese camp". Imran Khan also needs to understand this you cant play all sides in this world. You have to choose one. Pakistan is not Sweden, we cant have a "neutral" foreign policy.

There is a reason China would maybe willing to share tech with NK and Iran that they may not want to share with us.

Chinese camp is great until you realise they charged us 245% markup on CPEC energy projects and took billions in overpayments. Chinese are no friend, they do what will help them, we need to do the same

i remember back in the day SK was pitching EW gear towards us

 

[-blitzkrieg-]

@SQ8 @MastanKhan

New theory.

1. Pakistan gives up on Kashmir.
2. Pakistan stops collaborating with China.
3. The U.S. encourages South Korea, Turkey, etc, to sell Pakistan arms.
4. Pakistan re-orients focus towards Afghanistan and Iran.

It's starting to look like that's where Washington wants to steer things.

The dude has sold kashmir and cpec for a few guns..... lol.. yes seriously...very much believable

 

[fitpOsitive]

If

1. Pakistan gives up on Kashmir.
2. Pakistan stops collaborating with China.

then why would

3. The U.S. encourage South Korea, Turkey, etc, to sell Pakistan arms?

As we might not need those arms.

Why would

4. Pakistan re-orients focus towards Afghanistan and Iran?

As these two things are anyway following almost the same destructive path as Pakistan. Lets rest in peace in our own graves.

 

[etylo]

I am really amazed at thinking and gossip mills here...

The list of systems currently under procurement from china includes

J10 c
Jf17 3
Longest range AAM
Vt4 TANKS
upgrades to alkhalid
New armored vehicles
SH 16 nuclear capable self propelled artillery
Counter battery and counter stealth radars
Hq 9 and 16 ( missile and air defence)
Type 54 frigates
8 AIP subs ( 2nd strike / 3rd strike capability)
Drones
Plus probably double that is not announced in nuclear and strategic fields...

Can Korea or anyone else replece thsese and who in the world will supply you these without sanctions and without running you bankrupt.


Chinese themselves have refused to supply drones to Russia..so don't read too much into the perceived spat.

This Korean agreement probably is import and export agreement and will see if anything ever comes out of it ... May b some cooperation in factories and small arms. Koreans or Turks don't even have all from above mentioned list...

Sure you get hold of western tech whenever you can . It's the right thing to do

And dont forget, Chinas geo-strategic location to Pakistan, China is connected to Pakistan through land, we are neighbours that cant be replaced by South Korea.

 

[-blitzkrieg-]

Pakistan not having a pro russia stance on Ukraine is a more probable reason I understand for these perks..

 

[Tariq Habib Afridi]

I still think PAK is playing a double game with US secretly taking china in confidence. It seems like we are borrowing time from the direct wrath of US. Why i think so is the amount of defence procurement and CPEC in recent past. With that how can all of sudden pakistan leaves china and go to the us camp? And look at china reaction? It is still not harsh. This is what seems logical to me at the moment

 

[-blitzkrieg-]

I still think PAK is playing a double game with US secretly taking china in confidence. It seems like we are borrowing time from the direct wrath of US. Why i think so is the amount of defence procurement and CPEC in recent past. With that how can all of sudden pakistan leaves china and go to the us camp? And look at china reaction? It is still not harsh. This is what seems logical to me at the moment

US understands pakistan is balancing between US and China.. US wants pakistan to open up to India., retain trade with china but not support one-china policy. .