Pakistan should Give Palestine and KSA Its Nuclear umbrella

[Pakistani E]

KSA may not directly join the war as they can barely fight their own wars, but me thinks they might help you with money and fuel

Read above. ( Post #57)

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

Pakistan should offer nuclear umbrella to KSA if and only if

• KSA openly supports Pakistan on Kashmir issue at every forum without ambiguity
• Drops all investments in India and reduces the trade to essentially zero
• Gives Pakistanis a preferred and special visa category
• If a Pakistani marries a KSAian, he or she is given the citizenship
• Pakistanis are treated in the same manner or better than Europeans tourists and workers in KSA
• KSA does not support any extremist group inside Pakistan or any anti-Pakistan group outside the boundaries of Pakistan
• KSA does not start a war against any Muslim neighbour without consulting Pakistan
• Allows petrol to be traded in currencies other than USD especially Pakistan Rupees
• They accept all of the above

If they accept all of these conditions, Pakistan can extend its nuclear umbrella to KSA...else NOOOOO

Sounds very fair to me.

 

[Prince of Dorne]

Holy shit someone who doesn't hate Arabs and actually thinks logically instead of stereotyping over 200 million people!

Pardon that "Fat Sheikh" part of my post, I never thought any Arab would actually read my post

 

[EgyptianAmerican]

Pardon that "Fat Sheikh" part of my post, I never thought any Arab would actually read my post

Its fine, I've been called Sand N*gger before so no big deal.

 

[MadDog]

As stated an irrational thread based on a fantasy will become a troll fest. Please close this thread.

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

The Palestine issue can be resolved peacefully at UN by votes and agreement on 2 state policy and steps most logical people agree with that resolution

The countries of world need to implement that peacefully with out bringing any Nuclear weapons or lethal weapons into mix

Also we do need to implement freedom of other states such as Kashmir and Khalistan

As far as cooperation with countries we have pact with many friendly countries who we cooperate on various bilateral matters on government to government basis

I am sure we have solid commitment and agreements with various countries for cooperation with respect to mutal interest, and that is not necessarily ideal to discuss in simple terms as a web site or web forum


Saudia is one of our most reliable allies and Palestine has our moral support for decades

 

[Pakistani E]

Its fine, I've been called Sand N*gger before so no big deal.

I hope to God that wasn't on this forum..

 

[Prince of Dorne]

Its fine, I've been called Sand N*gger before so no big deal.

Damn, you are truly making me feel bad now, the whole world still drools over the civilization that you people built thousands of years ago, it is very much understandable that you don't give a crap of what some pretentious kid has to say in an online forum.

 

[EgyptianAmerican]

I hope to God that wasn't on this forum..

nah, you guys are chill

Besides I never took that insult too personally since I knew it was just a dehumanization tactic used in the gulf and Iraq invasions to disconnect soldiers from their victims, so it's all good.

 

[Pakistani E]

nah, you guys are chill

Besides I never took that insult too personally since I knew it was just a dehumanization tactic used in the gulf and Iraq invasions to disconnect soldiers from their victims, so it's all good.

Precisely. During wars in particular, nations have a habit of dehumanizing the "other" people and conditioning their soldiers and populace to hate others more so the wars can be fought with some misplaced sense of moral superiority. I can think of a plethora of words from the top of my head used by the U.S armies in particular over the decades. Smart move to not take them seriously.

 

[TOPGUN]

And invite more unwanted trouble to our troubles already thank you for the great advise lolz

 

[Indus Pakistan]

Can you stop this embarrassment of radical islam in Pakistan and Afghanistan? Can you stop the conflict in Kashmir?

No, not easy.

Can you save the Rohyniga ?

What have they got to do with Pakistan - Myanmar or Burma is other side of the continent. As much distance as Egypt and Pakistan in fact.

Arabs

I don't buy into the monolithic definition of Arabs. Speaking Arab is as good a identifier as speaking English. today Jamaicans, Barabadians, Americans, Black Americans, Irish and British all speak English. Similarly we have diseparate peoples, Berbers, Libyans, Egyptians, Levantines, Assyrians, various tribes in Sudan and the true Arabs of the peninisula speaking Arabic. Take away the language and you have differant ethnic groups and histories.

Pakistan should offer nuclear umbrella to KSA if and only if

Good list although mine would be shorter.

1. All Indian labour/workers replaced with Pak labour/workers
2. Respect equal to and no more than given to Europeans be established.

I would get KSA to leverage GCC to adopt these two as policy decisions.

 

[Isotope]

Pakistan itself can barely stand on its two feet on international stage.

 

[Signalian]

Pakistan should finally move beyond its problems ,Doesn't meant it shouldn't act or forget.

Charity begins at home.

Militarily, its foolish to overlook the problem of terrorism created, financed and thoroughly weaponized by external factors disturbing peace in Pakistan. New security forces are being raised to protect the region especially CPEC and more troops will be required as time passes. The best minds available to the Military are engrossed in planning for protecting LOC/IB Indian and Afghanistan , protecting cities of Pakistan and protecting interests of Pakistan.

The Army is deployed on three fronts. There is an escalation on Pakistani borders along the LOC. A continuing war on Terrorism inside Pakistan which not includes FATA region but Durand line as well as all cities of Pakistan. lastly, providing security for CPEC.

Airforce is engaged on two fronts. Its standing ready on the LOC escalation and its taking part in strikes on militants.

The Navy has a small coast line to protect but the burden has increased due to opening of Gawadar Port. The focus is now being shared from Eastern front of the sea towards the Western front.

We know that problems like poverty aren't going anywhere when our leaders take around Gigantic Mercedes and protocol,Its time we should make laws to Improve this system.
A poor nation led by one of its wealthiest?

This is the job of the Elected Government. Citizens elect governments. This directly related with the Pakistani people. whether we like it or not, you and I elected NS. Thats how the system works.

On a larger scale we know that Pakistan doesn't anywhere near holds the International importance and recognition as it used to,During the cold war and Iron curtain Pakistan was the only state that took hold of communist foray by aligning itself with the Western superpowers along with that the fall of East Pakistan also happened due to the very reasons

Yes our Government made their own mistakes which contributed to the fall of East Pakistan.

Things have started to change recently. The international importance is coming to Pakistan as the interests of European countries as well as Russian and the Muslim countries like Turkey and Iran have started to rise in CPEC Project.

China is a time tested ally where as Russia has shown a tilt towards Pakistan recently. By playing its cards correctly, pakistan should also align with Germany, France, UK and Italy in trade, commerce and technology and pave way for investments to be made inside Pakistan.

Pakistan needs to make itself heard on the World stage and stop pretending like Nothing,We've the backing of Iran(future superpower and Important regional player)Turkey and China.

I think the Future Super power is China, well some would say it is currently also. I would not dis-agree. Russia is also an Ex-super power and Putin is pushing it towards centre stage again. Turkey is already backing backing Pakistan along with China.

Iran as future super power, i am sceptical and doubt it. However, its Pakistan's neighbour and shares a border. Iran has a massive indigenous defence industry and that should interest Pakistan. Joint ventures should also be welcomed.

Most Secular Pakistanis hold KSA to a Disregard and blame them for Wahaabi Mullana's,Whatever that is should be forgotten as NAP is working on this.
KSA holds outstanding significance to all muslim's around the world,It is a country with own self importance,Given the fact we already would act if its threatened with aggression,Why shouldn't we take the Saudis under our Nuclear umbrella?
The Saudis would help us in our Future Nuclear ambitions and that could cover a range of developments.

KSA has helped Pakistan and damaged it too. Pakistan already provides a Military umbrella by stationing a brigade sized strength in KSA. There is a training exchange program that runs in all three arms of Armed forces of both countries. In return, Pakistan can get oil and lots of it in a war with India.

Question here is, what are the chances of a nuclear strike on KSA and by whom? Israel?
I think KSA fears and loathes Iran more than Israel.
So should Pakistan provide a nuclear umbrella to KSA against Iran?

Palestine:
We Already know the problems with Palestine,Moving our nukes into Jordan to provide Palestine a umbrella would be a win/win situation for everybody.
First step should be to hold talks with the Israelite,Convince them that we're here to solve this problem,Just get them in the game,Tell them we don't want to talk about how you made Palestine your home with all the Askenzai and Oranzai whatever jews,We just want peace for Palestinian people,Tell them that a huge chunk of radicalized terrorist groups exist because of this country where you live peacefully that contributed to a sense of betrayal for the rest of the world.
Second step would be to convince Anti-Zionist groups like hamas to lay down arms. Once they do you can create a Palestinian defense force (PDF) and let em protect their borders.

Israel has not listened to any country regarding this aspect. What if Israel asks Pakistan to instead start creating a refugee camp in Jordan as it will soon act to evict every Palestinian from the zone. That will give permanent peace to Palestinians.
Lets look at the neighbouring countries of Israel-Palestine . KSA is not interested to get involved on its own otherwise it should have done so already. Egypt has signed camp David accord and is enjoying delivering of american weapons. Assad is trying to protect his regime in Syria. Libya is divided into tribal chaos and needs to recover back from major set backs after Gaddafi's end.

FOOD FOR THOUGHT:
KSA has asked for military coalition against yemen to fight Iran backed militia. Why hasnt asked the same for Palestinians against Israel? Been more than 50 years now.
Fighting Iran is much more important ?

Putting a nuclear Umbrella in Jordan OR creating, arming and training Palestinian Defence force will put Pakistan directly against Israel, as if India and Afghanistan aren't enough already?

Backing of Turkey or China etc doesnt mean that Pakistan starts a world wide tour of Nuclear delivery and COIN in Muslim countries. Pakistan has to look after interests of its allies as they look after interests of Pakistan. Expecting China to back Pakistan while directly jumping into Israeli-palestinian conflict and putting nukes in Jordan is not wise.

What's in it for Pakistan?
Besides peace for the region,We would create strategic depth for our country and our nuclear arsenal. If Palestine issue comes to a stop,One part of Middle east is automatically going to be repaired,We can demand favors like Military bases in Jordan and Saudi-arabia.
Pakistan can ultimately get its much needed Geo-political significance on the world stage,As currently we're busy cleaning up the mess in our own country but it should be noted that since 1948 we've been fighting war's so our Country is used to it.

Ex COAS Raheel Shareef is a role model in fighting extremism and terrorism on home front. He is a military genius and a solid tactician who served the best interest of Pakistani nation which includes civilians and its Armed Forces. He is capable of leading an International Coalition Muslim force which should be capable to fight for Muslim interests in any of the troubled Muslim regions.

An international Muslim force can be made in three ways:
1. A Private force like Blackwater for Black operations financed and funded by the Coalition of all Muslim countries. This can include all retired personnel of any muslim country who are willing to join and fight for the interests of muslims. It can be a lightly armed force but can get heavy weaponry from the country in which its operating.

The major problem with such a force would be its labelling. It would very soon be labelled a Jihadist force and after a few operations it would enter the list of terrorist/banned organisations because its operations and interests would clash with NATO/USA.

2. An international Muslim Coalition force similar to the one proposed by KSA.
This force can have the best weapons available to it including fighter aircrafts, naval vessels as well as usual Army heavy weaponry like MBT, Artillery etc. Every muslim country would be required to send troops , otherwise arm it with weapons and if it could neither then it would need to finance it by funding it. This will also help in bringing the defence industry together as a common weapon used by coalition force like a MBT or aircraft would require less cost to operate.
The Operations could require general consensus of Muslim countries where the force should be deployed in the troubled muslim world. This Muslim world is itself not united due to the sects in which its divided, main being sunni/shia...similar lines wahabi/shia and so forth. Iran is also a muslim country and would want to participate and influence such a force this clashes directly with KSA. Syrian and Yemen war are examples. Pakistan is getting closer to Russia but Chechens are anti Russian. An ops for Chechniya Muslims clashes with Russia.

3. A Muslim Peacekeeping force on lines of UN.
Muslim troops deployed from all muslim nations in a muslim country looking after interests of muslim community, a sight to see. Sometimes such sights are observed in UN Missions also. Muslim soldiers can better understand culture and communities when deployed in other muslim countries.
This will again face two probelms:.
1. The muslim troops deployed by that muslim country will extend their ideology in the region which can be wahabism or shia ideology.
2. A black ops force can further be generated from a deployed peace keeping force which can do ops as directed by a biased higher command which could clash with stability of that region, NATO/UN interests as well as interests of other muslim countries (KSA-IRAN).

What are your thoughts?

 

[Prince of Dorne]

1. All Indian labour/workers replaced with Pak labour/workers
2. Respect equal to and no more than given to Europeans be established.

I would get KSA to leverage GCC to adopt these two as policy decisions.

Sir, I hope you don't take any offence, but what is your beef with Indian workers? Do you how many earns their livelyhood by working there? Why do you want to make them jobless, considering most of them are Indian muslims? Do you think Pakistan has enough manpower, both skilled and unskilled to replace all the Indians?

How do you even plan to make them respect you? For sure they will not start respecting you overnight even if you give them water car engineer for free along with nuclear weapons