It is interesting to note that Turkey, under Islam, was a ranking superpower of the world. As Muhammad Asad notes, after Attaturk, they are nothing but a nation like a hundred others.
And as ironic as that is, its recent economic success has only come under Erdogan, whose Islamic approach is now not only being seen as successful but is seeping into all corners of their country including the military.
We are headless chickens running every which way blind hoping to smash into the solution for all our problems. Not only can we not see, smell and hear to guide our selves but we are also short on one standard issue brain rendering us incapable of any comprehensible or incomprehensible thought.
What we fail to realize is that there are a billion different ways of achieving economic prosperity; get lucky like the Arabs, be as hardworking as the Japanese or the Germans, ride your might like the US, etc., etc. On top of that we have come to the conclusion that our dismal performance in the economic, international and domestic spheres is because we lack in a strong religious modus operandi. And then, ironically, we demand that it be enforced on us from the top. Replace the religious with the so-called secular and you get the exact same stinking broth.
This discussion is futile, trivial and completely inconsequential. There are purely Islamic societies which have long been forgotten as dust while there are also "sons of Satan" who have ruled the world for hundreds of years. The vice versa holds just as true. The problem lays more in the open. All our religious, cultural, economic, political problems, or any other for that matter, stem from the simple fact that we are a dishonest people, to ourselves, our countrymen, our country and everything else that stands anywhere. We are a corrupt, dishonest, conniving, thieving, cheating and self-mutilating people who have always attributed our failings to something which is out of our control, lets us sleep at nights. There is no code or structure in the world that would sanction any of this and yet we do it. Secularism, Islam, Hinduism, Atheism, Scientology, the Mods on this forum, the GMs on the servers of World of Warcraft, nothing instills or enables us to be dishonest and yet we are. And we don't want to see that. We also conveniently disregard the fact that there have been many nations where Messiahs/Great men have come or been sent all to result in nothing. Clearly our lack of faith isn't destroying us or the Netherlands would have long ceased to exist. We desecrate everything that is held Holly by every single school of thought and then we have the audacity to not own up to it. You can't even stop yourselves from stealing from your own brother, what religious or secular values are you going to uphold...
Forget Islam and forget secular thought. We first need to introduce the values into our society which are innate to every human being and require no consensus or conscious thought. You can become economically successful with or without religious/secularism. What we need more is to build a society because the state stands on that society not the other way around. Pakistan was not the property of Mr. Jinnah and his vision is not the DNA of everything that is Pakistan. He was a visionary who advised you, read him, understand him and see what it holds. As a democratic and free country, you the people can choose which ever direction you want to go and the state will follow. The question is can we do that? Can we actually be more than just the impotent bags of meat sitting in our homes? We have already chosen the direction going over a cliff and the state is following us right over it. But we are so arrogant that we are still stuck on the inconsequential.
Dude... never said that it can be implemented in Pakistan.... Pakistan for better or worse is a loss cause..... there is one ESSENTIAL component missing in the Pakistani population that NOTHING good can happen to it.... the component is unquestionable nationalism... we are an extremely confused bunch without an identity of our own........ the history that common man is aware of is limited to what he/she was taught in "official" text books, coupled with Islamic history from Islamiat... we can not even discern if we are Arabs or what?
Btw, even if I were high, I'd be more in my senses than you fed upon "cooked-up" facts.
Meh....others have risen from far worse. It is not the divide but the utter moronic loss of resolve that is sinking us. Hint for the wise. The people were more divided in the 1940s.
And you can implement the martian language in Pakistan and it wouldn't serve any purpose. I can get Einstein's papers translated into Wookiee with a few clicks, these aren't the 1920s. Focus more on the fact that the other actual Arabic speaking nations aren't going down the same path. This isn't when you can dope the people into submission, you must educate them.
I would ignore the personal criticism to my astonishment at your idea. You do not know enough about me to make an unwarranted generalization.
I am wary of nationalists. They are just as disruptive, narrowminded, and easily roused to violence as militant Islamists or militant communists. In the last three centuries, more people have died for nationalism than any other ideology. It is a poison if it gets to your head. There needs to be an over-arching philosophy to harness positive attributes of nationalism. It is important to note that nationalism is not an end in itself.
As a subservient part of one's identity, there is nothing wrong with Nationalism, but it can not be allowed to reign supreme. It is a perfect recipe for disaster by itself. Recent history attests to it.
Drinking a lot of water can kill you, what's your point?
