Pakistan Sets Eyes on China’s New J-35 Fighter Jet

[Irfan Baloch]

And we are working also on project AZM, if FC-31 or its modified version will induct into PAF then it will be a bonus for Pakistan but i don't think it will happen because it would kill project AZM prospect

that modified J 31/ 35 might be our project Azm.

 

[Ultima Thule]

PLAN will prefer J20 navy version instead of J35 if it later is going to be exported. Mostly because J20 is way more advanced than the proposed j35. It will make sense as China's most of the engagement will be in south china sea. It will be same like USA who have built F22 for their personal use only. No other country exactly knows about its true capability not even Israel or UK. Same will be the case here i suppose PLAAF might use J35 along J20 but PLAN will most probably will prefer J20.

No J-20 is not suited for carrier operations, narrow wings/no folding mechanisms/narrow landing gears etc etc may be from shore based air superiority then yes

 

[Irfan Baloch]

I wouldnt take this article at its face value... for one the J-20 is a HUGE jet, IDK how theyd be able to fit on Chinese aircraft carriers currently under development. J-20 for carriers would be like putting F22 on carriers... wouldnt make much sense since a land launch J-20 would be able to have enough range within the pacific already.

A variant of the FC-31 ie J-35 will be developed for carrier uses. Chinese have a tendency to give their carrier based jets a whole different name classification (J-11 Land launched= J-15 carrier launched). The J-31/FC-31 will take a similar route with J-35 being its carrier version.

it goes to show that the writers of such articles have little to no sense of what they are talking about.

they are careless or dont care about factual inaccuracies and compatibility of systems they are discussing.

 

[RedHulk]

WS-10 is Not intended for FC-31/J-35

i meant to write ws19 but missed the 9 and pressed 0 in hurry, my mistake i edited it. WS19 will be used both in jf17 block lll and j35.

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

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Reports indicate China is set to show off a new fighter jet next year, though it will likely be a familiar sight to Chinese military watchers. Growing indicators point to a fighter jet, likely a revamped, combat-ready version of the FC-31 fighter plane, making an appearance in 2021.

One such indicator was brought to light by the aviation blog Alert 5, which highlighted a post by the Chinese Aeronautical Establishment on social media. The blog states:
According to Alert 5, CAE used the characters 新一代 to represent “new generation” fighter. “The aircraft could either be a new variant of an existing airframe or a total new design,” the blog says. “However, it is of note that if its a new design, it would have been written as 新型 in Mandarin.”

The “new fighter” rumor was also picked up by China’s nationalistic, often fiery Global Times site, which also referred to the CAE post. According to Global Times, the social media post was later deleted without explanation. A Chinese aviation expert interviewed by the site believes the fighter is designed to operate from China’s fleet of aircraft carriers.
The leading contender for the new fighter, currently referred to as “J-35,” is a production-ready version of Shenyang FC-31 technology demonstrator. Developed in China, the FC-31 (also known as the J-31) is considered a “fifth-generation” fighter built with stealth in mind and bears a strong resemblance to the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter. In 2019, FlightGlobal reported the FC-31’s developers believed the jet was progressing well and the aircraft was, “destined to enter service with the People’s Liberation Army.”
The FC-31 was first unveiled in 2012 but never put into mass production. It’s not clear why though it likely has to do with China’s inability to make jet engines. The FC-31 was originally powered by Klimov RD-33 engines, the same engines that power Russia’s MiG-29 fighter jet. Although China has made great strides in manufacturing aircraft, it has struggled with designing high-performance afterburning turbofan engines, especially subfields such as metallurgy.
Russia prefers to sell entire fighter jets instead of individual jet engines, a policy that increases its profit. An inability to source Russian engines might have made mass production of the jet impossible. If the new jet is indeed a revamped FC-31, it could indicate China is confident it can reliably manufacture its own high-performance jet engines.
Experts believe that the J-35 will likely be a carrier aircraft to supplement and eventually replace the J-15 “Flying Shark” fighter. A large, heavy, twin-engine fighter, the J-15 traces its origins to the Soviet Su-33 carrier-based fighter. Unfortunately, the fighter’s weight— coupled with the need to launch the aircraft from the ski ramps—severely restricts the J-15’s range and ability to carry fuel and weapons.
Fighter jets are expensive to develop, and China will likely try to get its money’s worth by buying jets not only for carrier but also land-based use. Many major air forces use a combination of expensive, heavy, twin engine fighter jets supplemented by larger numbers of cheaper, lighter, multi-role fighter jets. The U.S. Air Force, for example, flies both the F-22 Raptor and the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter. Russia flies the Su-35 Flanker-E supplemented by the MiG-29/35. China flies a combination of the J-20 twin engine fighter supplemented by the J-10 “Vigorous Dragon.” The J-10, while a capable plane, is a fourth-generation fighter with a non-stealthy design. The J-35 could replace earlier J-10 fighters and eventually the entire J-10 fleet.

The U.S. Air Force is the only air force in the world that operates both a large and small fifth-generation stealth fighter. If the new jet is indeed the J-35 and China builds large numbers of them, it will create a Chinese air force to be reckoned with.

Air Force (PAF) has set its eyes on the new Chinese fighter aircraft in response to India’s purchase of French Rafale.
According to the reports, the cost of the fighter jet will be around $70 million. In comparison, the F-35 is valued at $79 million whereas the French Rafale fighter costs $77 million. To maintain balance of power in South Asia, Pakistan will have to buy stealth-capable J-35 multi-role fighter jets in response to India’s Rafale.

https://www.popularmechanics.com/military/aviation/a33013449/china-new-fighter-jet/

https://propakistani.pk/2020/07/07/...eVK09VmMsYOH0kdikcWzgjPv2k5tsk31kZsLv8empsCmc

An EXCELLENT, EXCELLENT Thread!

Does anyone know the status of the progress of the development of the WS-10 Jet Engine and associated programs?

 

[Bilal Khan (Quwa)]

I am talking about J-6 and J-7 which became F-6 & F-7, respectively in PAF.



Interesting perspective. You could very well be right. Btw, isn’t the J-10 now cleared for export?

Yep. But the original export designation for the J-10A was FC-20. For some reason, instead of continuing with the FC-20 designation, they opted to use J-10CE for the export version of J-10C.

 

[Ultima Thule]

i meant to write ws19 but missed the 9 and pressed 0 in hurry, my mistake i edited it. WS19 will be used both in jf17 block lll and j35.

WS-19 is still in development, we never know that, there are any plans to install WS-19 on block-3, may be at later stages when WS-19 will be mature, remember bro we tested WS-13 on block-2 in past but never satisfied, we are quite happy with the performance of RD-93

 

[Tps43]

...here's what'll happen next:

Someone (e.g., @ziaulislam ) will say, "nothing new, we knew this, old news, etc"

Then @Deino will say: "what the hell is this unreliable news outlet, J-35 is ONLY for domestic use, the export variant is FC-31. Stop sharing unreliable news sources..."

...and then:

9 YouTube videos.

I wanted to give u positive rating on that lol

 

[KaiserX]

that modified J 31/ 35 might be our project Azm.

The modified J-31 ---> J-35. Modified for carrier based operations. PAF IS NOT GOING FOR J-35, we will be going for the J-31/FC-31 variant.

AZM is our own domestic program to supplement the J-31 fighter.

 

[arjunk]

Prepare for 90 pages of the same old shit with the thread being derailed in the middle.

 

[Ultima Thule]

The modified J-31 ---> J-35. Modified for carrier based operations. PAF IS NOT GOING FOR J-35, we will be going for the J-31/FC-31 variant.

AZM is our own domestic program to supplement the J-31 fighter.

No AZM will be modified FC-31/-35, only major Changes you will see in J-35 is increase wing area for better low speed handling

Prepare for 90 pages of the same old shit with the thread being derailed in the middle.

Why you reading this thread if you don't like it just leave this thread, thank you

 

[KaiserX]

No AZM will be modified FC-31/-35, only major Changes you will see in J-35 is increase wing area for better low speed handling


Why you reading this thread if you don't like it just leave this thread, thank you

https://fighterjetsworld.com/air/pr...th-generation-fighter-aircraft-program/18851/

How does that look anything like the J-31/FC-31?

PAF is pursuing its own design for the Project AZM. FC-31 will be there to fill the gap and to supplement Azm once its operational. They may share similar avionics/components and even engines. PAF has stated time and time again that Azm will be fully designed in Pakistan.

Azm resembles a smaller more lean version of the J-20 meaning it most likely uses smaller engines like the FC-31s WS-13. This will reduce cost significantly for the PAF since many parts will be interchangable between the FC-31 and AZM.

 

[Rank]

I have said this 1000 times since day one, we don't know shit about how to design & develop an aircraft. All that BS stories of JF coming from the internet warriors in response to my post and I am expecting this again lol. I said this many times that the J-31 is our Project Azm now mark my words again... If J-31 won't available until the next 10 years, you won't see Project ABCDAZM in the next 10 years, the day J-31 available in the market, you will gradually see Project Azm. We have to understand one thing, we don’t have the ability, knowledge, and understanding about aerodynamics, structure, engine, stealth tech, basic ABCD of avionics etc when it comes to latest most sophisticated weapons system. We are way behind in all these. And I am not degrading Pakistanis but just telling you the facts....

 

[KaiserX]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1155055970005004289

The above is the full rendering. PAF would be careless to leak such a thing for us fanboys to not even notice and still argue about it.

I have stated this 1000 times since day one... we dun know shit about how to design and develop aircraft ... all that BS stories of JF stories coming from the internet warriors in response to my post... i said this many times that J-31 is ur Project Azm now mark my words again... if J-31 launcch after 10 years, our project Azm also be at the same time... if J-31 will launch after 20 years, you will going to see Project ABCD Azm after 20 years... you guys must understand we din’t have ability, knowledge and understanding about aerodynamics, structure, engine, stealth tech, basic ABCD of avionics etc rsp most sophisticated weapons system. We are way behind in all these. And I am not degrading Pakistanis but just telling you the facts....

JF-17? Missiles? Nuclear Program?

Pakistani engineers & scientist are globally renowned. The input PAF gained from the JF-17 program is invaluable. Youd be surprised how much technology is already commercially available and can be used to develop a 5th generation fighter.

In the age of advanced micro processors being made in China like hot cakes you seem to believe Pakistan is naive to not take these things into consideration before investing Billions into infrastructure such as aviation universities, research centers, aviation design test facilities, etc... Nor do you think Pakistan has its priorities straight since it has sent many of its own engineers to China to provide invaluable input to the Chinese fighter programs. Maybe the PLAAF are crazy to let Pakistani have front end access to and test their latest toys?

You are a gem my friend who the PAF should hire as a consultant

 

[Ultima Thule]

https://fighterjetsworld.com/air/pr...th-generation-fighter-aircraft-program/18851/

How does that look anything like the J-31/FC-31?

PAF is pursuing its own design for the Project AZM. FC-31 will be there to fill the gap and to supplement Azm once its operational. They may share similar avionics/components and even engines. PAF has stated time and time again that Azm will be fully designed in Pakistan.

Azm resembles a smaller more lean version of the J-20 meaning it most likely uses smaller engines like the FC-31s WS-13. This will reduce cost significantly for the PAF since many parts will be interchangable between the FC-31 and AZM.

And there no design specification currently for AZm whether its canard delta design like J-20 or conventional design like FC-31 or triple surface design like -J-15
and last how would manage/maintain your proposed 2 stealth fighters for Pakistan, so most of the senior members like @Bilal Khan (Quwa) @Irfan Baloch that AZM will be modified version of FC-31/-35