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Pakistan set to review it's US policy

Our policy towards US should be middle finger.

However, our politicians from PML-N and PPP are desperately looking at US for support in money laundering cases. I guess Zardari is here with special advice from US.
I expect PML-N to follow foot steps of Zardari. We all know what Zardari demanded from US.

We as a nation authorize Pak army to use full force against US, in case they try to break border fence.
 
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Our policy towards US should be middle finger.

However, our politicians from PML-N and PPP are desperately looking at US for support in money laundering cases. I guess Zardari is here with special advice from US.
I expect PML-N to follow foot steps of Zardari. We all know what Zardari demanded from US.

We as a nation authorize Pak army to use full force against US, in case they try to break border fence.


Ajit Doval & Modi warned Pakistan that india will ISOLATE PAKISTAN ............ I think I would call this mission 90% complete.

YOUR left with China ............ I DONT see another nation that is standing by your side

IN 1971 Pakistan had full military and political support of both USA & China

India NEEDED a week to smash East Pakistan

TODAY with no USA your usa military equipent including your amraams are CHOCLATE TEA POTS

Modi is a deadly enemy the INDO USA ISRAELI NEXUS is definitely working
 
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^^ we can't get more isolated, so middle finger.. that's it.
 
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Active Diplomacy.

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Very active indeed.
 

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Sanction spares and bring falcons to stand still and you will change the tune asap

They sanctioned us we gone nuclear, they sanctioned us we have JF17.
The old days of colonialism/slavery/racism are gone. Soon the present era for modern form of slavery will also going to be over ... slow and steady US will meet her logical end, same as previous super power of the world, which is now Yes Man of US. ;)
 
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They sanctioned us we gone nuclear, they sanctioned us we have JF17.
The old days of colonialism/slavery/racism are gone. Soon the present era for modern form of slavery will also going to be over ... slow and steady US will meet her logical end, same as previous super power of the world, which is now Yes Man of US. ;)
Not applicable to Indians.
 
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Why 100,000?

A million $ on one entry + exit per piece of equipment or person, 2 million per day on any thing abandoned or left behind in Pakistan and shove the aid up AIDS valley. Show them the dick, grab that with your tiny hands you pussy grabbing rotten orange

Impose 100 000 USD tax on every truck 500000 USD tax on every flight that passes our territory
 
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Why Pakistani PM going to US? What will he do there?

If this is a policy review, PM houldnot be visiting there. May be he is going to explain the policy review. And then we will be made a laughing stock. For credibility does not come cheap. We say one thing and follow it up doing quite another.
 
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First thing first, shut the supply line for good & close the so called US Embassy which in reality is a fortress of chaos & terrorist sponsoring hub in Pakistan.
 
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The most important narratives for the survival and prosperity of any country are her internal and foreign policies. By 'narrative’ I mean representing, describing or explaining a set events or situations in such a way as to reflect the comprehensive set of aims or values. This is a very serious matter that’s why my post is abnormally long.

Because wrong foreign policy can contribute to an ‘Existential’ threat; This is not the time for Tarzan like bravado but revisiting our existing policy with ‘Cool’ head and removing whatever gives the perception /misperception to international community that Pakistan is a nursery of extremist ideology.

I don’t agree with the argument “US is doing this, India is doing that or what Afghans did, hence we are justified in doing such and such. This simply confuses the issue. Because “Two wrong don’t make a right”, I would restrict this post to the Pakistan’s policies towards Afghanistan alone

The word sovereignty has been used and abused in Pakistan for a long time in relation to the US drones and now referring the sovereignty of the parliament. Let us briefly look into its history.

In the aftermath of the 30 year war (1618-1648), a treaty was signed in Westphalia (Germany) on October 24, 1648 where all the European Powers agreed to:

· All parties would recognize the Peace of Augsburg of 1555, in which each prince would have the right to determine the religion of his own state, the options being Catholicism, Lutheranism, and now Calvinism.

· Christians living in principalities where their denomination was not the established church were guaranteed the right to practice their faith in public during allotted hours and in private at their will.

· General recognition of the exclusive sovereignty of each party over its lands, people, and agents abroad, and responsibility for the warlike acts of any of its citizens or agents. Issuance of unrestricted
letters of marque and reprisal to privateers was forbidden.

It is the Westphalian treaty that gave birth to the “Nation State” and where all the participants accepted the principle of the state sovereignty; the principle of equality of states and the principle of non-intervention of one state in the internal affairs of another. Next major development was the birth of League of Nations and subsequently the United Nations. United Nations Charter is based essentially on the Westphalian principles. However article 51 states:

Article 51 ( Chapter 7)

“Nothing in the present Charter shall impair the inherent right of individual or collective self-defence if an armed attack occurs against a Member of the United Nations, until the Security Council has taken measures necessary to maintain international peace and security. Measures taken by Members in the exercise of this right of self-defence shall be immediately reported to the Security Council and shall not in any way affect the authority and responsibility of the Security Council under the present Charter to take at any time such action as it deems necessary in order to maintain or restore international peace and security.”

It is argued by some that the language of Article 51 provides for a right of self-defence only in response to an actual armed attack. However, it has been the consistent position of many governments such the USA, Israel & the UK that the right of self-defence under international law includes the right to use force where an armed attack is considered imminent.

Finally, responding to the 9/11, UN Security Council; after much haggling & discussion among its member states, passed the 1373 resolution.

Security Council Resolution 1373 called on states to freeze terrorist financing, pass anti-terrorism laws, prevent suspected terrorists from traveling across international borders, and order that asylum seekers be screened for possible terrorist ties.

When taken together with the Article 51, to most it means a large-scale terrorist action could constitute an armed attack that will give rise to the right of self-defence and that force could be used in “self-defence” against those who plan and perpetrate such acts and if it is considered necessary to avert further such terrorist acts; also against the countries that provide safe havens to the terrorists.

Traditionally, international law becomes national law when countries voluntarily ratify an international treaty. Resolution 1373 was the one and only time that the Security Council forced all UN member states to revise national laws to comply with an international standard. Pakistan being a member of the United Nations is bound by the UN Resolutions.

A digression:

Before some member refers to the 1948 Kashmir Resolution, regrettably Pakistan signed the Shimla agreement on July 2, 1972 October which includes:

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(ii) In Jammu and Kashmir, the line of control resulting from the ceasefire of December 17, 1971, shall be respected by both sides without prejudice to the recognized position of either side. Neither side shall seek to alter it unilaterally, irrespective of mutual differences and legal interpretations. Both sides further undertake to refrain from the threat or the use of force in violation of this line.

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India had 90,000 Pakistani POWs and arguably ZA Bhutto was negotiating from a position of weakness. The fact that I and other Pakistanis disagree with this is immaterial; this clause of Shimla agreement has been successfully used by India to interpret that 1948 Resolution has been superseded.

Concept of Nation State works both ways. It is an undeniable fact that due to the flawed ‘Strategic depth’ concept, we have been ignoring that Afghanistan is also a Nation State.

The Pakistani military doctrine behind the concept of strategic depth suggests transforming Afghanistan into a client or subservient state that is beholden to the Pakistani security establishment.

https://www.fairobserver.com/region...kistans-strategic-depth-in-afghanistan-88910/

While Drone attacks undoubtedly impugned our sovereignty, it is hard to deny that Haqqani network was based in North Waziristan for a number of years and by allowing them operate against Afghanistan gov’t of the day, we were also undermining Afghan sovereignty.

Without doubt Pakistan has suffered more than any other country with about 50,000 deaths including about 5,000 army jawans. Nevertheless the perception of Pakistan as terrorist friendly country by majority of the international community is an open secret. Problem is that instead making an all-out effort on negating the misperception, our seriously flawed internal & foreign policy and statements by the Taliban sympathizer politicians such as Munawwar Hassan, Imran Khan and Ch. Nisar reinforce this perception.

For example who does not know that Hakimullah Mehsood who died in the drone attack in November 2013 was a blood thirsty TTP Commander? However Imran /Taliban Khan was furious, he said that PTI would ban cargo truck trucks supplying to NATO troops in Afghanistan. PML-N Interior minister Ch. Nisar also condemned the US action describing it as “Murder & progress for hope & peace in the region”. Can anyone honestly say that Hakimullah Mehsud was an ambassador of peace?

Many politicians keep on repeating that this not our war. Do we imply that we don't want to fight terrorists who have killed 50,000 innocent Pakistanis, destroyed mosques and bombed graves of the Saints!

Even though it goes against the spirit of the 1373 resolution. We have been differentiating between good & bad Taliban’s since WOT started. This differentiation means that terrorists that do not attack Pakistan directly should be left alone to do whatever they want to do elsewhere.

Here the banned organizations can easily sidestep the ban by simply changing their name for example, SSP is banned but their leaders can carry on their nefarious activities by changing its name to Jamiat Hale Sunhat wall Jamaal. Why don’t we stop it?

OBL was found living in Pakistan. Afghan Taliban Commander Mullah Mansoour killed by US drone near Quetta had Pakistan ID card!

Pray tell me, after hearing such reports, can rest of the world believe our innocence?

I am sure that out & out Taliban lovers such as Munawwar Hassan would like nothing better than a US / Pakistan military confrontation so that in the aftermath a hard-line Daesh type government could possibly emerge. But prudence demands that our response to the US threat should be cool and calculated.

Being a Pakistani, to me threats by Donald Trump are akin to being “Bullied” by Super Power. Undoubtedly, US Afghanistan policy has a been an abysmal failure and the US is looking for someone to make the scapegoat. However, threat by the TTP is very serious to Pakistan as well. Gen Kiyani declared about 4 years ago:

“Forces of extremism and terrorism pose a threat to our national security and stability but armed forces of Pakistan are fully prepared to fight this menace. “

( https://www.pakistantoday.com.pk/20...an-fear-is-gen-raheel-says-ali-haider-gilani/ )

We need a paradigm shift in our approach to terrorists & terrorism of all kinds and need to launch a strong diplomatic offensive to alter the perception or misperception in the international community that Pakistan provides succour to the extremists. All genuine concerns of the US and the Afghan government should be addressed. There is no such thing as good Taliban, all are terrorists. Efforts must be made to eliminate Quetta Shura from Pakistan if it still exists.

I would like to make it clear that I am not apologizing for Donald Trump. As matter of fact I abhor him for his obvious pro white supremacist tilt and his anti-Muslim policies. My point is that simply making fiery speeches and cursing Trump for his threats is not going to make Pakistan safe. A self-introspection by Pakistanis in general and by politicians in particular is sourly needed. We should identify what we are not doing and what we are doing wrong and rectify our internal and external policy accordingly.

For some the above post may be nothing more than a liberal diatribe against the jehadists, however that is my view of the situation.
 
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For some the above post may be nothing more than a liberal diatribe against the jehadists

No it is not.

I would give it a positive rating if I had the power. You are spot on.

A nation has many paths it can take to evolve. These paths hold different future and different positives and negatives. All nations decide and step on that path towards the future the path holds.

We stand at the cross roads as well. Looking towards each future and a path to take.

The difference is in that moment by some stroke of luck if you have a visionary leader who can look at what lies at the end of that path then you cab reach prosperity for through his vision he will pick the best one. That is how great powers are made. They had a leader at that cross road who picked the right path.

The question is as we stand at the cross roads with many paths in our front especially on foreign policy and national security and regional outlook, do we possess a leader that can make that hard call and pick a path.

Quite frankly I feel frustration. Bcz this is the moment when we should be doing something and I feel we are stagnant. We are letting an opportunity slip by.
.this is the perfect time to crush the cleric power and bring all madrassa and mosque under state control but we are doing nothing and giving 300mil to sami ul haq a known terror sympathizer. We are not taking down the red mosque. Our stagnant approach may become our greatest existential threat. Its not India, baluch nationalists or afghans that are the existential threat. We can deal with all of them. Its this hidden threat. A threat to our existence and our way of life. A threat to our culture and our religious.

The mullah are right in one thing. Islam is in danger but this danger does not come from india, Israel or liberals but from these terrorists. They have attacked and gave such a blow to islam that not even the mongols could match. They have twisted it and destroyed it until it looks nothing like what it was and that is the future of islam in pakistan if these barbarians are allowed to live. They are the greatest threat to islam since a thousand men from mecca rode to face 313 in badar.


Sometimes I do think on this. Why not do it? What is the worse that could happen? Would the division of Kashmir and a favorable water treaty with population exchange be so bad after all Punjab and Bengal were divided and make peace. Maybe in another thread this can be discussed more extensively.

Same with Afghanistan. Fence and let them be.

Anyhow great post
 
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