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PARIS, Sept 13 (AP) - Pakistan is seeking to buy missiles and radar from France for a fighter plane that it is developing jointly with China, Jane's Defense Weekly said Pakistan is talking to France about getting air-to-air missiles from the MBDA company and radars from Thales for its JF-17 fighter, it said. Those missiles and similar radars also equip Taiwan's French-built Mirage fighters, defences that could be compromised if Pakistan transfers the technology to China, according to Jane's. Asked Thursday about the report, Defence Minister Herve Morin replied: “To my knowledge, there is no arms embargo for Pakistan.” He noted that France has a system of controls on arms exports and referred further questions to the prime minister's office. Without confirming that talks with Pakistan are under way, Defence Ministry spokesman Laurent Teisseire said: “We have no reason not to cooperate with Pakistan on its leading projects.” He dismissed concerns of any possible technology leak to China, citing arms control measures that would be part of any such sale.(Posted @ 20:25 PST)
- DAWN - Latest Stories; September 13, 2007
 
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Excellent response from the French...all of the claims of technology proliferation from Pakistan to China are hogwash. If proper export controls are in place in the contract, Pakistan like any other country would abide by it.
 
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hey guys why the sudden proliferation of weapons procurement news
155mm howitzer, MBDA Air-Def systems and now AAMs and radars for JF-17s
 
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hey guys why the sudden proliferation of weapons procurement news
155mm howitzer, MBDA Air-Def systems and now AAMs and radars for JF-17s

Its not sudden. All these things have been in the works since the removal of sanctions. It takes time to work these deals out after testing, evaluation, negotiations and contracting...so you hear about things from time to time. Pakistani defense deals typically are very hushed up affairs as the government does not want to bring unnecessary attention to such deals. Quite a few deals have gone on under the radar as well.
 
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Finally a good news from the french dismissing all clamis regarding poliferation. Pakistan will abide with the laws regarding technology transfer.
 
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Excellent response from the French...all of the claims of technology proliferation from Pakistan to China are hogwash. If proper export controls are in place in the contract, Pakistan like any other country would abide by it.

I would doubt that along with the most of the world.

Admin Edit: Are you talking about the world that exist to the internet cafe in some under ground cabin in Mumbai? Stop posting emotional baseless piece of crap! Consider it a warning.
 
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I would doubt that along with the most of the world.

I couldn't care less, nor could France if she has a functioning arms control system. They have agreed to supply weapons with ToT and we're getting it.
Cheers! :cheers:
 
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How the west headline this news, take look and analyze...

Report: French arms sale to Pakistan could help China avoid EU ban
 
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I would doubt that along with the most of the world.

Actually you can doubt it as much as you like. At the end of the day the U.S. has sent some of the latest equipment because they are sure about Pak not selling it onto China. The whole F-16 to China thing was nothing but internet bullshit as far as I am concerned. Why would PAK risk permanent embargo's?
 
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Report: Possible French sale to Pakistan could see military technology fall into Chinese hands

PARIS: Pakistan is seeking to buy missiles and radar from France for a fighter plane that it is developing jointly with China, according to the respected defense publication, Jane's. Experts say such a sale would carry a risk of the technology falling into Chinese hands, circumventing a European arms embargo on China.

Pakistan is talking to France about getting air-to-air missiles from the MBDA company and radars from Thales for its JF-17 fighter, Jane's Defense Weekly said.

Those missiles and similar radars also equip Taiwan's French-built Mirage fighters, defenses that could be compromised if Pakistan transfers the technology to China, according to Jane's.

If Pakistan lets Chinese engineers look at the technology, as reports say it did with U.S. military equipment in the past, then such a sale would also circumvent an EU ban on arms sales to China that has been in place since the Chinese military crushed pro-democracy protests in 1989.

Experts say that embargo is increasingly porous and France has previously lobbied for it to be lifted.

Today in Europe
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Jane's cited unnamed Russian and Chinese sources as saying the French sale to Pakistan is "likely" to go ahead.

Repeated calls over two days and e-mailed questions from The Associated Press to the office of the French Prime Minister Francois Fillon went unanswered.

Asked Thursday about the report, Defense Minister Herve Morin replied: "To my knowledge, there is no arms embargo for Pakistan."

He noted that France has a system of controls on arms exports and referred further questions to the prime minister's office.

Without confirming that talks with Pakistan are under way, Defense Ministry spokesman Laurent Teisseire said: "We have no reason not to cooperate with Pakistan on its leading projects."

He dismissed concerns of any possible technology leak to China, citing arms control measures that would be part of any such sale.

A spokesman for MBDA, Pierre Bayle, at first told the AP: "There is a competition to equip the Pakistani local-built fighter, this is an open competition. MBDA is in the competition, with other competitors" from the United States and South Africa.

But the next day, Bayle retracted that, saying he had been given inaccurate information and that there was no formal bidding process under way.

"There might be preparatory discussions, there might be a market opening, we are always interested," he said.

A spokesman for Thales, Markus Leutert, said: "We are not commenting on any ongoing bids or unsigned contracts."

China regards U.S. ally Taiwan as part of its territory, although the island rules itself, with a democratically elected government. The China-Taiwan relationship is one of the world's most closely watched potential sources of conflict, making arms acquisitions by either side an issue of utmost sensitivity.

Alexander Neill, head of the Asia program at the Royal United Services Institute for Defense and Security Studies in Britain, said he anticipated a "quite vicious" reaction from the United States if France proceeds with a sale.

He said concerns that China could get its hands on the technology are "valid."

"Pakistan is building a very solid relationship with China," he said.

Jointly funded and developed by Pakistan and China since 1999, the JF-17 made its maiden flight in Sept. 2003, the office of Pakistan President General Pervez Musharraf says on its Web site.

On a visit to the fighter's Chinese manufacturer in February 2006, Musharraf hailed the project as "a major leap forward" in China-Pakistan cooperation.

A chance to look at the French technology could allow China to counter it, possibly affecting the delicate military balance between China and Taiwan, said Paul Smyth, head of Aerospace Studies at the Royal United Services Institute.

"If one side knows a lot about the technical capabilities of the other, and you know that because you've actually got your hands on a radar or a piece of avionics, or a missile seeker head or some other operationally significant piece of kit, then you are very well placed to dissect it, look at how it works, decide how best to counter it ... so there's no doubt that having access to that would be significant," he said.

Report: Possible French sale to Pakistan could see military technology fall into Chinese hands - International Herald Tribune
 
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Another baseless theory which will go down the drain soooooooooon enough.
 
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The French really don't care that much about this transfer to China BS. They want the deal done, and it will be done.
 
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The French really don't care that much about this transfer to China BS. They want the deal done, and it will be done.

Apparently, it is a move by the Taiwanese who fear that it may be possible, and trying to put strict watch against it. Nonetheless, in anyway it effects the deal with Pakistan. As long as we can fire, and blast! Its good. :devil:
 
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