Pakistan says last payment from US for fighting Taliban delayed

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

WoT has become a american brand. Even using that in our local context makes one feel as if they are fighting for the americans.

Militants in NWFP is your problem first and then anybody else. If you wont fight them because you didnt get funds from US, it will cost you dearly.

Why do you laywas link yourself to US when it comes to fight your war, i guess thats the biggest flw. Take out US from the equation ateast in such press statements.

The US is linked here becasue it is the US invasion of Afghanistan that caused the Taliban movement to rise up in Pakistan.

Therefore it is impossible to detach what is happening in Pakistan from US actions and policies.

Afghanistan, Pakistan and the US are linked in this war, and therefore to argue for Pakstan to fight it solely by itself is disingenuous to say the least.

 

[Bull]

The US is linked here becasue it is the US invasion of Afghanistan that caused the Taliban movement to rise up in Pakistan.

Therefore it is impossible to detach what is happening in Pakistan from US actions and policies.

Afghanistan, Pakistan and the US are linked in this war, and therefore to argue for Pakstan to fight it solely by itself is disingenuous to say the least.

US had the moral right. Morality has **** value in Int'l affairs. US might get up and leave tomorrow and then what? Its your nation , its a serious issue that might cost your country dearly. How come no Pakistani sees it so. All seems to put fingers on US stating its their duty as much as yours. But its so flawed.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

US had the moral right. Morality has **** value in Int'l affairs. US might get up and leave tomorrow and then what? Its your nation , its a serious issue that might cost your country dearly. How come no Pakistani sees it so. All seems to put fingers on US stating its their duty as much as yours. But its so flawed.

The US indeed has no qualms about shoving morality, legality or what not out of the way when its own interests are at stake, and if the US leaves Pakistan will have to continue to protect itself from both extremism and India, neither can be given a break.

However that is not the question here - the question revolves around reimbursements and support for Pakistan in the present, while the US is actively involved in Afghanistan and Pakistan. The US invasion of Afghanistan is a major reason for the growth of the Taliban in Pakistan and an increase in support for them. Therefore to expect them to share the financial burden of this war, while they remain involved at least, is not unjustified by any means.

 

[Bull]

The US indeed has no qualms about shoving morality, legality or what not out of the way when its own interests are at stake, and if the US leaves Pakistan will have to continue to protect itself from both extremism and India, neither can be given a break.

However that is not the question here - the question revolves around reimbursements and support for Pakistan in the present, while the US is actively involved in Afghanistan and Pakistan. The US invasion of Afghanistan is a major reason for the growth of the Taliban in Pakistan and an increase in support for them. Therefore to expect them to share the financial burden of this war, while they remain involved at least, is not unjustified by any means.

You can or not ask for financial aid for WoT in NWFP. But donmt you think its risky to send out such requests in public. It sounds like Pakistan fighting its own people with US aid. Im not in any way saying US is not to blame for the current situation. Thge militants and tribals and see US as their common enemy responsible for their plight, its their view that would be skewed against GoP if they hear this. GoP would be held together with US as joint enemies.

 

[bellicose.mcbein]

This is the cost on Pakistan for this WoT, in one year alone, for those harping on the ten billion in aid over almost a decade.

that $8 billion figure is, for all we know, an absolute fabrication

where are the receipts!

U.S. Payments To Pakistan Face New Scrutiny - washingtonpost.com

Once a month, Pakistan's Defense Ministry delivers 15 to 20 pages of spreadsheets to the U.S. Embassy in Islamabad. They list costs for feeding, clothing, billeting and maintaining 80,000 to 100,000 Pakistani troops in the volatile tribal area along the Afghan border, in support of U.S. counterterrorism efforts.

No receipts are attached.

frikkin amateurs. these payments must pass u.s. congress, which must answer to the u.s. taxpayer. thus, pak must answer to the u.s. taxpayer.

this may come as a shock, but u.s. citizens (for the most part) pay their taxes!

we are in a recession! our own states are running deficits. mine is on pace for a 2.5$ billion shortfall, and we are sending billions overseas!

it is not unreasonable to demand basic accounting for expenses. this is a partnership, after all.

 

[Jihad]

that $8 billion figure is, for all we know, an absolute fabrication

where are the receipts!

U.S. Payments To Pakistan Face New Scrutiny - washingtonpost.com



frikkin amateurs. these payments must pass u.s. congress, which must answer to the u.s. taxpayer. thus, pak must answer to the u.s. taxpayer.

this may come as a shock, but u.s. citizens (for the most part) pay their taxes!

Pakistan doesn't need to answer to the U.S. taxpayer, it's your country and your government which feels obligated and commited on playing as the world's judge and leader, and with all this comes alot of responsibility and a PRICE, which U.S. taxpayers also have to pay.
Blame us? I didn't think so, blame your government for dragging us into this mess.
Also, I find it rather hypocritical and funny at the same time that Indians are telling us right now that this is our war and we shouldn't really be dependant on the Americans and we should see this more as a moral issue for ourselves.
Weren't these the same Indians who were in favor of the drone strikes and told us Pakistanis to work together with the Americans and be "open" for outside help and support because, alone, we can perhaps never win this war?
Hypocrisy at its best.

 

[KnightRyder]

US had the moral right. Morality has **** value in Int'l affairs. US might get up and leave tomorrow and then what? Its your nation , its a serious issue that might cost your country dearly. How come no Pakistani sees it so. All seems to put fingers on US stating its their duty as much as yours. But its so flawed.

Moral right??? ROFL

Moral right to kill and imprison as many innocent civilians in pursuit of capturing OBL alive??

Is that how you define morality?

 

[bellicose.mcbein]

Pakistan doesn't need to answer to the U.S. taxpayer, it's your country and your government which feels obligated and commited on playing as the world's judge and leader, and with all this comes alot of responsibility and a PRICE, which U.S. taxpayers also have to pay.

and we are willing to pay it, just show us the receipts. be accountable, and don't defraud the u.s. taxpayer, that is the biggest mistake pak can make!

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

that $8 billion figure is, for all we know, an absolute fabrication

where are the receipts!

U.S. Payments To Pakistan Face New Scrutiny - washingtonpost.com

How about the bodies of the thousands dead through terrorist attacks and collateral damage? The loss in investor confidence due to the fact that we live next to an invaded country with a raging insurgency that has now spilled over into Pakistan. The loss in investor and business confidence due to the suicide bombings in the major cities, including the capital city.

The drop in the economic growth rate after 2007 and 2008, arguable the bloodiest years in Pakistan's history, is ample evidence of the costs Pakistan has borne.

frikkin amateurs. these payments must pass u.s. congress, which must answer to the u.s. taxpayer. thus, pak must answer to the u.s. taxpayer.

this may come as a shock, but u.s. citizens (for the most part) pay their taxes!

we are in a recession! our own states are running deficits. mine is on pace for a 2.5$ billion shortfall, and we are sending billions overseas!

it is not unreasonable to demand basic accounting for expenses. this is a partnership, after all.

It is not unreasonable to demand 'receipts', it is unreasonable to hold back reimbursements that have been accounted for already, as the article indicates, and it is not unreasonable to expect the US to fulfill its commitments in a timely fashion, as is apparently not the case here.

And you 'freakin amateur', Pakistan was not the country that stole Pakistani money paid out for products (f-16's) and then refused to return both products and money to the rightful owner. The US has a history of theft from Pakistan and usurpation of her property - there is indeed good reason to be concerned.

So spout your pretentious Yank BS somewhere else.

 

[Jihad]

and we are willing to pay it, just show us the receipts. be accountable, and don't defraud the u.s. taxpayer, that is the biggest mistake pak can make!

I think Pakistan is one of the last or actually not on the list when it comes to being accountable for the money being taken into account by our nation from the U.S.
Sir Allen Stanford or perhaps Mr. Madoff himself are the leaders of our list of "frauds", or what about all the bail outs for the automakers in the U.S., that comes with a huge price too, and that's too partially due to the wrong policies of these automakers, which the U.S. taxpayer now has to rectify.
If it is proven that American money is falling into the pockets of our politicians, then I will personally apologise to you and admit that my country is run by a bunch of retards who are corrupt to the bone.
Even though corruption plays a part in our country, the same issue has also strained the American economy.
I think it's in Pakistan's best interests to use this money to keep our war going versus the Taliban.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

and we are willing to pay it, just show us the receipts. be accountable, and don't defraud the u.s. taxpayer, that is the biggest mistake pak can make!

How about not defrauding other countries first, as you did with Pakistan and the F-16 program, before you mouth off about 'responsibility and honesty'.

Friggin arrogant yanks.

 

[Jihad]

How about not defrauding other countries first, as you did with Pakistan and the F-16 program, before you mouth off about 'responsibility and honesty'.

Friggin arrogant yanks.

Crap, will we seriously ever get our money back?
I heard about this, and it still hurts.

 

[Patriot]

Crap, will we seriously ever get our money back?
I heard about this, and it still hurts.

lol we got wheat from US instead of F-16's

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

You can or not ask for financial aid for WoT in NWFP. But donmt you think its risky to send out such requests in public. It sounds like Pakistan fighting its own people with US aid. Im not in any way saying US is not to blame for the current situation. Thge militants and tribals and see US as their common enemy responsible for their plight, its their view that would be skewed against GoP if they hear this. GoP would be held together with US as joint enemies.

See this is what I mean about some Indians (you and third eye as I pointed out earlier) being dishonest in your discourse on Pakistan. The use of the word 'countrymen/own people' is precisely the sort of language those opposed to action against extremists take. By no account are you guys opposing action against the Taliban, so what is the objective of resorting to that language other than to troll?

Anyway, back to your question, if extremism has to be fought, and one supports it, whether the US supports it or not should not be an issue. The key here is that Pakistan has to combat extremism, and if the US is willing to help offset the costs, then those in support of it should have no objections.

The ones who do have objections will oppose the PWoT regardless of whether the US supports Pakistan or not.

 

[Jihad]

lol we got wheat from US instead of F-16's

Are you serious lol!?
Has our government pushed the Americans about this or talked with them about this? What the hell is this? This isn't a way to make deals with eachother.