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Pakistan’s Quest for Maritime Depth

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Both Israel and Pakistan have decided to field
tactical nuclear weapons aboard their small
flotillas of diesel-electric submarines. While
Pakistan is a declared nuclear power and Israel
has opted to pursue a policy of nuclear
ambiguity for the past four decades, both
nations’ military thinkers echo each other in
their frequent referrals to the sea as a source of
strategic depth . This shared emphasis stems, in
large part, from their growing sense of
continental claustrophia. Both countries are
territorially shallow, and resulting sentiments of
vulnerability have helped shape and sustain
already potent senses of embattlement. In Pakistan, meanwhile, last year’s decision to
formally establish a Naval Strategic Forces
Command should not be solely construed as a
tit-for-tat response to India’s own advances in
the naval nuclear domain (India launched its
first indigenous nuclear submarine, the INS
Arihant, in 2009 ), but also as an attempt to
add a measure of strategic depth to
Islamabad’s own growing nuclear arsenal.
Despite the fact that India has publicly stated
that it abides by a strict No-First-Use policy,
Pakistan lives under the constant fear that
India, the United States or both operating in
collusion could swoop in and preemptively seize
or destroy the smaller nation’s arsenal.
This deep-rooted paranoia is exacerbated by
the growing conventional military imbalance
between India and Pakistan. This asymmetry is
particularly stark in the maritime sphere, as
India steadily modernizes and expands its blue-
water navy, and an underfunded Pakistan Navy
struggles to make its case to an Army-
dominated national security apparatus. There
are growing concerns over Islamabad’s
vulnerability to a naval blockade, given that 95
percent of its trade by volume is transported by
sea.
This has led some to conclude that the country
urgently needs to nuclearize its submarine fleet.
When interviewed, Pakistani commanders
mention the precedent set by Israel’s alleged
decision to place nuclear-tipped cruise missiles
aboard conventional submarines, and suggest,
somewhat provocatively, that Pakistan should
follow suit. Another option, some have argued ,
would be stationing nuclear weaponry aboard
surface ships and maritime-patrol aircraft. Not
only would this provide the country with greater
strategic depth, it would also extend some of
the more dysfunctional elements of Indo-
Pakistani nuclear interactions from land to sea .
By threatening first nuclear use against an
advancing Indian aircraft carrier strike force,
Islamabad can hope to acquire escalation
dominance and considerably dilute its larger
neighbor’s coercive naval power.
Moreover, the introduction of nuclear weapons
will have a major impact on the future of naval
warfighting in the Indian Ocean. As veteran
naval analyst Captain Wayne Hughes has
noted , fleets caught under a nuclear shadow
are compelled to operate under different
principles. Most notably, ships must loosen up
their deployment patterns and adopt more
dispersed configurations in order to better
shield themselves from the ripple effects of a
nuclear blast. For Pakistani planners, acquiring
nuclear-armed cruise missile submarines (SSG)
would provide an opportunity to skew its
existing power relationship with India in
Pakistan’s favor, primarily by injecting a sizable
degree of uncertainty and ambiguity in India’s
tactical calculus, but also by preventing the
Indian Navy from concentrating the bulk of its
power projection platforms in one specific
location. The Damaging Effects of Continental
Claustrophobia for Nuclear Stability
Needless to say, the strategic side-effects of
both Israel and Pakistan’s continental
claustrophobia have the potential to be highly
destabilizing. Mounting concerns over a
perceived lack of strategic depth have led to a
privileging of offensive naval nuclear strategies,
which fuse dual-use systems and doctrinal
opacity with forward postures. In the event of a
conflict, there would be no way for their
adversaries to ascertain whether Pakistani or
Israeli subsurface vessels are nuclear-armed or
not. In addition to the radioactive “fog of war”
that would float over naval combat operations,
there are certain risks tied to both navies’
conventional ways of war that would likely
carry over to their nuclear posture in times of
crisis.
In an environment already marked by dual-use,
it would be injudicious to assume that
conventional and nuclear dynamics will evolve
within tightly sealed vacuums. Both the
Pakistani and Israeli navies have learnt to
offset their numerical inferiority in times of war
by engaging in daring asymmetrical maneuvers
— Pakistan through the offensive deployment of
its submarines , and Israel through the use of
naval commandos and missile strikes.
Notwithstanding manifold differences in terms
of tactical approaches, offense has often been
perceived as the best form of defense for small
navies laboring under overwhelming odds.
In effect, weaker naval powers have, throughout
history, manifested their desire to alleviate their
vulnerability by engaging in acts of deception or
preemptive attrition . Military historians and
political scientists have demonstrated the
extent to which it can be arduous for a military
organization steeped in a specific operational
culture to espouse an entirely different set of
procedures and tactics under wartime
conditions. While it has been reported that the
elite crews aboard each Israeli nuclear-armed
submarine have been subjected to a rigorous
battery of psychological tests and are
cognizant of the responsibilities that come with
their nuclear role, the Pakistan Navy’s future
command and control arrangements remain
alarmingly obscure. If the same Pakistani naval
officers charged with the conduct of
conventional operations against the Indian fleet
suddenly find themselves entrusted with
strategic weapons, their organizational
predisposition for “offensive defense” could be a
recipe for disaster. The scattering of nuclear
assets at sea, particularly aboard surface ships,
also heightens the risks of a nuclear weapon
being intercepted by a malevolent non-state
actor, an already perennial concern when
discussing Pakistan’s growing nuclear arsenal.
The Overriding Importance of Geography in
Nuclear Strategy
Geography remains one of the most important
determinants of a country’s nuclear strategy.
Whether a country feels territorially secure or
insecure has an immense impact on the shape
and form of its deterrent. For relatively small
coastal states such as Pakistan and Israel, the
quest for maritime depth has given birth to
naval nuclear force structures with the potential
to undermine stability during a crisis regardless
of the legitimacy or strength of some of their
strategic concerns. While it remains unclear
what can be done to alleviate both states’
sense of existential vulnerability, appreciating
the extent to which a feeling of territorial
claustrophobia undergirds much of their elites’
strategic culture could enable a better
understanding of their nuclear trajectories.
Iskander Rehman is an associate in the Nuclear
Policy Program at the Carnegie Endowment for
International Peace and a Stanton Nuclear
Security Fellow.

sorry guys I could not post the link becauce my post count is below 30.
 
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OK - So here's the argument"

1. Small navies make up for their size discrepancy vis a vis large navies by engaging in daring "offense" (example Israel, Pakistan)
2. Nuclear Pakistan Navy is therefore not just an attempt to balance, but is essentially "destabilizing" ( given the offense is best defense orientation of small navies)

Cleaver? Not really, After all, are all small navies "offense" oriented? OK, are even a majority of small navies offense oriented?

No, of course not - but Israel is, and therefore so is Pakistan?
 
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You can't put PN and ISN at the same box. While PN has only those counter parts to worry; India, Iran and maybe KSA. ISN has those counter parts to worry; The whole Medittaerian countries. They may are small navies but there are two different strategies, two different poles, two different trainings and two different national goals. Pakistani Armed Forces is a defence focused military force, so does the PN. While Israel, well Israel is Israel. My point is I understand if an offensive navy gets SSBN's but Pakistan? There's no need for that. Of course I'd be glad to see you guys have it but It doesn't make any sense that such a defensive navy gets nuked subs. It'd be better to focusing on Air Defence (AAW) frigates and Anti submarine (ASW) ships.
 
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american tomahawk cruise missile can take off a warhead upto 200kt yeild(as per wiki)

if we could somehow develop a similar destructive warhead for babur even in the range of 50kt.would be enough to destroy a city considering that the bomb dropped on hiroshima or nagasaki both were between 20-25kt

cruise missile with nuclear warhead can be very destructive.
 
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@Neptune our strategy isnt just "defensive" its "Offensive Defence" ... and the Naval Strategic Forces
Command was set up for a reason... and yes a nuclear powered sub is under development and so is a Naval (sub launched) version of Babur CM.
 
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@Neptune our strategy isnt just "defensive" its "Offensive Defence" ... and the Naval Strategic Forces
Command was set up for a reason... and yes a nuclear powered sub is under development and so is a Naval (sub launched) version of Babur CM.

Pakistan is wasting its defence budget on its Army as the chances of a Land war are few. Whenever a war starts, India will use its Airforce & Navy first. India knows Pakistan Army is powerful. Thats why , Indian Navy will again try to blockade Karachi and in its present shape, Pakistan Navy is not capable of stopping Indian Navy.
 
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PN does not have theatre nuclear weapons....its working on it but it has a while to go....minuturization takes time. pakistan has land and air tactical nuclear weapons and is waiting for the TRIAD to establish itself. we dont know the source of this article but i'm guessing the source in indian...
 
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Pakistan is wasting its defence budget on its Army as the chances of a Land war are few. Whenever a war starts, India will use its Airforce & Navy first. India knows Pakistan Army is powerful. Thats why , Indian Navy will again try to blockade Karachi and in its present shape, Pakistan Navy is not capable of stopping Indian Navy.

Do you think tht a blockade is possible ?:rofl: Plus... what are you going to do about Gwadar port?
 
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^^^sir blockade is an act of war. why India would want war with Pakistan?
 
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Do you think tht a blockade is possible ?:rofl: Plus... what are you going to do about Gwadar port?

Yes. Blockade is possible. Why not ? Is Pakistan Navy more powerful than Indian Navy ? With What PN will defend Karachi ? PN has a couple of P3C , India has P8I . Pakistan has 4 F-22P frigates . India has several destroyers & few stealth frigates from Russia. In only submarines comparision , Pakistan Navy will remain ahead for maximum of 2,3 years, as from 2015 one Scorpene will arrive every year. Also, PN Surface Ships are sitting ducks for Su-30MKI when Su-30MKI will be able to carry Brahmos air-launched version. Those Air Defense Systems on Pakistan Navy Surface Ships are not enough to repel an attack.
( PAF will be busy with IAF during the war )
About Gwadar , Yes. It " will become " a strategic advantage in " future ". Because Gwadar is not ready yet. Gwadar is not connected to the Highway Network & Railway Network of Pakistan. NHA does not have funds to build roads from Gwadar to different parts of Pakistan. Still now, 60% of imports & exports are handled by Karachi port. Gwadar is not ready yet. India cannot do much about Gwadar due to its strategic location. ( India may ask Iran permission to station some frigates at Chahbahar Port. But Chances of this happening are very less. )
Thats why Baloch people are being encouraged to seek Independence from Pakistan. US does not want China to use Gwadar port. Thats why It is trying to create independent Balochistan. Like It created East Timor, South Sudan, Kurdistan. The process has started. Now US will be more concerned about Human Rights in Balochistan after withdrawing from Afghanistan.
 
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Yes. Blockade is possible. Why not ? Is Pakistan Navy more powerful than Indian Navy ? With What PN will defend Karachi ? PN has a couple of P3C , India has P8I . Pakistan has 4 F-22P frigates . India has several destroyers & few stealth frigates from Russia. In only submarines comparision , Pakistan Navy will remain ahead for maximum of 2,3 years, as from 2015 one Scorpene will arrive every year. Also, PN Surface Ships are sitting ducks for Su-30MKI when Su-30MKI will be able to carry Brahmos air-launched version. Those Air Defense Systems on Pakistan Navy Surface Ships are not enough to repel an attack.
( PAF will be busy with IAF during the war )
About Gwadar , Yes. It " will become " a strategic advantage in " future ". Because Gwadar is not ready yet. Gwadar is not connected to the Highway Network & Railway Network of Pakistan. NHA does not have funds to build roads from Gwadar to different parts of Pakistan. Still now, 60% of imports & exports are handled by Karachi port. Gwadar is not ready yet. India cannot do much about Gwadar due to its strategic location. ( India may ask Iran permission to station some frigates at Chahbahar Port. But Chances of this happening are very less. )
Thats why Baloch people are being encouraged to seek Independence from Pakistan. US does not want China to use Gwadar port. Thats why It is trying to create independent Balochistan. Like It created East Timor, South Sudan, Kurdistan. The process has started. Now US will be more concerned about Human Rights in Balochistan after withdrawing from Afghanistan.


You are felling sleepy. Better go and sleep baby :)
 
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Another yes we can, no you cant thread ... good going.
 
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Yes. Blockade is possible. Why not ? Is Pakistan Navy more powerful than Indian Navy ? With What PN will defend Karachi ? PN has a couple of P3C , India has P8I . Pakistan has 4 F-22P frigates . India has several destroyers & few stealth frigates from Russia. In only submarines comparision , Pakistan Navy will remain ahead for maximum of 2,3 years, as from 2015 one Scorpene will arrive every year. Also, PN Surface Ships are sitting ducks for Su-30MKI when Su-30MKI will be able to carry Brahmos air-launched version. Those Air Defense Systems on Pakistan Navy Surface Ships are not enough to repel an attack.
( PAF will be busy with IAF during the war )

And you think the 4 new F23Ps with HQ-16 SAMs,Type54As and 3 Agostas, 6-7 new subs with AIP,1 nuclear sub,12+ Hawkeye PC3 Orions with Exocists,2 sqadrons of fighters armed with RAAD supporting PN,OPH with G combat upgrade with ... and other ships,subs and FACs armed with missiles like super sonic mach 5.5 CM-400,Harpoons,exocists,N Baburs,C-803,C-802As and JF-17s which are also armed with anti missile missiles wont be used? and AWACS wont be used either?

About Gwadar , Yes. It " will become " a strategic advantage in " future ". Because Gwadar is not ready yet. Gwadar is not connected to the Highway Network & Railway Network of Pakistan. NHA does not have funds to build roads from Gwadar to different parts of Pakistan. Still now, 60% of imports & exports are handled by Karachi port. Gwadar is not ready yet. India cannot do much about Gwadar due to its strategic location. ( India may ask Iran permission to station some frigates at Chahbahar Port. But Chances of this happening are very less. )

Lol.. Its connected by both motorway and NHA.. And the Chinese are linking it to Xinjiang through rail and road links.. thts the part under contruction... while we are expanding Ratodero Road or motorway since last few years and its top priority... as gor Chahbahar... Iran wouldnt let you use their port against Pakistan and Iranian support for Pakistan has been proven in the past.. also we are contruction multi billion dollar IP ... while the iranian part has been completed ... contruction is going on in our part.. since last year.
Thats why Baloch people are being encouraged to seek Independence from Pakistan. US does not want China to use Gwadar port. Thats why It is trying to create independent Balochistan. Like It created East Timor, South Sudan, Kurdistan. The process has started. Now US will be more concerned about Human Rights in Balochistan after withdrawing from Afghanistan.

Moron.. im a baluch myself.. and ur fancy wet dream will never come to life you know why? 1st because Iran itself occupies has the region... 2)No support for bla among masses... not even the children of those turds in exile support it..3)The new bill passed by NA ... aka Recognition of Baluchistan right...3)The development being done ... both by the army and the govt... 4)400 militants just surrenders this year...6)The new nationalist govt in Baluchistan composed of nationalist parties... 7)China is already operating the gwadar port..

8)Its so stupid tht im replying to some indian fanboy who doesnt know jack about defence,geography or even international relations.
9)Go take your meds!
 
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