Pakistan’s first female three-star general likely in Oct

[Rafi]

El Presidente


Did you also notice the "Hindu" Sari bit?? See, have to transition away from the past and from certain ideologies imported from Arabia - We just have to move past these things for Pakistan to just survive -- I hope you also notice that those who complained about the "usual rant" even differentiate the confession of a Sari, just imagine what they do with people.

Santro

Says that we should be aware that this 3 star general means other good men were denied the opportunity - This condemnable attitude is pervasive - because it's a deep seated prejudice against women, after all, if a man would have been promoted, would not other good men not have a chance at the same promotion??

And then of course there is the objection to the use of the 3 star general to promote the idea in society that in Pakistan and in the Pakistan armed forces, it is not just a recognition of the service and patriotism of women, but that society wants to move away from "Choola, Chaadar aur Chahardivari" prisons and that the Pakistan army is an institution where duty, discipline and EXCELLENCE is recognized, regardless of gender. I know this idea did not come from you know where and has not been articulated by historical figures and in historical texts, but the context is today is not the context of centuries ago.

Musey, even when you praise the Armed Forces it sounds like criticizm - by the way the lady general is an exceptional officer, and has made it, because of her brains, and skill.

 

[President Camacho]

El Presidente


Did you also notice the "Hindu" Sari bit?? See, have to transition away from the past and from certain ideologies imported from Arabia - We just have to move past these things for Pakistan to just survive -- I hope you also notice that those who complained about the "usual rant" even differentiate the confession of a Sari, just imagine what they do with people.

Well, when something is shoved in your face, you can't help notice it, can you?

You know it, I know it, many others too.

Not much to see there, except for how the religious brigade would want to lecture General Sahiba on how her attire makes her more of a Hindu than anything. And she better comply, as a woman should!

All that, even when Sari is only a cultural thing, and not a religious one. Perhaps for some, South Asian = Hindu.

I do hope General Sahiba knows how to fire a shot or two when the need arises

 

[muse]

All that, even when Sari is only a cultural thing, and not a religious one.

I would refer you to another thread in which cultural propositions are construed as religious one -- that's why I am saying that that for Pakistan to survive this preoccupation with confession must be cast out (actually it has to be "killed" but we can't say that out right as these cats take offense easily)

Is she a soldier? She had better be, and she had better be sold as one, regardless of who it does and does not piss off.

 

[President Camacho]

I would refer you to another thread in which cultural propositions are construed as religious one -- that's why I am saying that that for Pakistan to survive this preoccupation with confession must be cast out (actually it has to be "killed" but we can't say that out right as these cats take offense easily)

Is she a soldier? She had better be, and she had better be sold as one, regardless of who it does and does not piss off.

Well, I always try my best not to discuss something off topic, so thanks man for referring me to the other thread.

Anyway, on topic - We don't really know whether she got promoted over others to become a token female Surgeon General. But I think we can safely take a balanced approach here -

Many times in the history, it has been the politician and not the soldier who gets to supersede others and be promoted in the end. Zia ul Haq, for example. Or even Musharraf (Though it is not restricted only to Pakistan Army).

A lot of shuffling goes on, so we can't really see who was worthy and who was not. In all this shuffling, if they do get a woman somewhere, even as a token, it's not bad.

The thing is, it doesn't really matter whether she is a real soldier or not, we can only hope her image is utilized in the best possible way. Just as you mentioned in your first post in this thread - she be portrayed as the real soldier.

 

[fatman17]

^^ Is she wearing a saree? is it the formal uniform for the ladies in pakistan army?

yes and wait till u see the younger lot

 

[MastanKhan]

Nice to see women thriving in PA on basis of talent-

P.S- why do some retards cant move beyond what the women is wearing?-

Sir,

Thank you very much----very intelligent comments----they show a very high level of intellect and consideration.

 

[Zarvan]

Maybe you should wear a Niqab 24/7 and see how you like it?!!!



True sir but Regrettably some in our society still feel that a woman belongs in the kitchen which I do not agree with!

They are as equal as any man can be . I just wish more of them be allowed to serve in combat too.

Do we have any PAK woman that have died serving in combat?? Do provide links if find; thks

Peace

Covering face is the order of ALLAH if you want ask ask ALLAH

 

[muse]

Covering face is the order of ALLAH if you want ask ask ALLAH

Well? Do you want ask Allah? (is He still online?) Mister? - Orders are orders!! just like in the army, Mister!

 

[Zarvan]

Well? Do you want ask Allah? (is He still online?) Mister? - Orders are orders!! just like in the army, Mister![/QUOTE
Thanks you proved my point

 

[Luftwaffe]

But true pakistanis like zarvan can tell you the folly in wearing a Saree. It is haram of the highest order, not to mention influenced by the hindoo culture.

The Islamic republic of Pakistan must change the female officer's uniform to something more dignified and appropriate , say, a burqa, or a niqab. The current scenario is downright blasphemous.

Then hindustan'll object to why niqab and burqa they might have plans for jihadi attack. You people are never happy never settle for anything good.

 

[muse]

Well? Do you want ask Allah? (is He still online?) Mister? - Orders are orders!! just like in the army, Mister![/QUOTE
Thanks you proved my point

You bet - pleased to oblige

 

[Paan Singh]

why not Replace kayani with her?

 

[Zarvan]

why not Replace kayani with her?

Ask Indian Government to have a women Army Chief

 

[Battle Axe]

The thread is on an official troll now! And those who are suggesting it to be a sort of ravaging attire, better see the pictures above carefully. Its all loose and covering, unlike those Star Plus Sarries...

Back on topic, I wish her well to be another first...

 

[blain2]

For those who may not know, the Sari has been and will continue to remain the working dress for the lady doctors in all three services. As it is a uniform, it is worn in a manner that is modest and uniform. There is nothing of Indian or Pakistani origin to discuss here. The Maj Gen being discussed is not the only lady General in the PA. AMC has and will continue to produce more and more female general staff officers in the future given the large number of women joining the Corps and the trend to continue on with their profession (in the past the AMC used to graduate women, they used to serve a few years and then leave the service to get married and take care of their domestic responsibilities). Now, this trend has changed and more and more women are staying in their jobs/service in the armed forces and performing just as well, if not better, as the men and this performance is being seen through their promotions. In the future, senior female officers will start coming on the radar from the C4I, ISPR Dtes and quite a few other arms besides AMC.

Lets learn to respect the people for the job they do. The uniform should be modest, which the Sari is given the way its worn, and the ones wearing it should carry themselves with dignity, which they do. Not much to complain about here gents. This is a good sign for Pakistan. Half our population is under-utilized because they are poor, uneducated women. If we educate and advance our women, there is no chance that they will allow their children to stay uneducated as they will want better for their children. This is the way to attaining 99% literacy in Pakistan. No amount of government enforced laws etc. will do this for as long as our women are not educated and advanced.