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Pakistan 's external debt, liabilities hit record $73 BILLION dollars level

The problem is, if China starts owning assets in India, it will become more difficult to impose tariff on them. India should try to make China to open its market to India medicines.
Then we will have to use Nationalism politics as a weapon and we will start "Non-cooperation" or "Swadeshi" movement. :lol::lol:

On topic : That situation is still very far, if the chinese companies are importing way too much from China then we have our weapons to ban or impose duties, we can take care of WTO as it is pro-western, no need to worry. Also as our economic adviser said in Economic Survey 2015 "Indian Market is chakra vhyuv" you can enter the market but if are not pro-Indian you can't leave. :lol::lol: So if Chinese com doesn't get acts right, they will be crushed like Abhimanyu.
 
lol i am totally cool oh yes yes contribute to this thread like you? yep have wasted enough time with you now don't quote me again:lol:
@Mentee @WaLeEdK2 :D


Some of them always do this first make a troll post than act as an innocent. :disagree:
Someone has run out of his trolling munitions, and reinforcements ain't coming sandy :D
 
India seems to have big troubles of its own


Pakistan to be fair has majorly underperformed as a economy and is underdeveloped whilst having enormous potential

The debt isnt good but if Pak economy takes off over the next few years the debt can be controlled
Ok bro, you are looking at the wrong value. See the Debt to GDP ratio. Thats the useful indicator for measuring the health of any economy, see the Greece has some 1 trillion $(may be incorrect) debt but it was like 400% debt to GDP ratio, that was worrying figure. Pakistan with 66-70% is not a big issue, but the distribution of the debt is inclined towards Govt borrowing,thats worrying.
 
Then we will have to use Nationalism politics as a weapon and we will start "Non-cooperation" or "Swadeshi" movement. :lol::lol:

On topic : That situation is still very far, if the chinese companies are importing way too much from China then we have our weapons to ban or impose duties, we can take care of WTO as it is pro-western, no need to worry. Also as our economic adviser said in Economic Survey 2015 "Indian Market is chakra vhyuv" you can enter the market but if are not pro-Indian you can't leave. :lol::lol: So if Chinese com doesn't get acts right, they will be crushed like Abhimanyu.

Hope so man, China has a surplus almost every country in the world. We need to aspire to that level.
 
Ok bro, you are looking at the wrong value. See the Debt to GDP ratio. Thats the useful indicator for measuring the health of any economy, see the Greece has some 1 trillion $(may be incorrect) debt but it was like 400% debt to GDP ratio, that was worrying figure. Pakistan with 66-70% is not a big issue, but the distribution of the debt is inclined towards Govt borrowing,thats worrying.

Yes but wouldn't the underlying point still remain that compared to our current economy the debt is a cause for concern, not catastrophic but something we need to deal with

However our economy is rubbish if you look at the potential for growth of a underdeveloped 200 million market that has big growth prospects in all economic sectors, the debt issue could be a non issue if the economy takes off

Whether it be india, Indonesia, Thailand or China

These were at one point underdeveloped states, the potential due to population, resources, etc was enormous and then due to various factors they started making ise if that potential and their economies took off

Pakistan is on the cusp, the world economy cannot ignore a 200 million market with a large consumer base in need of everything if not for Pakistans intrest then its own

If the debt can be controlled and the economy starts taking strides, the same as india's, Indonesia's did then this debt issue resolves itself

Or am i reading it wrong?
 
Hope so man, China has a surplus almost every country in the world. We need to aspire to that level.
We should never follow China, Japan or South Korea, their model of economy is never a sustainable one. We will have to be in between USA & China, export some stuffs but maintain the CAD by importing few stuffs.

Why even at the time of sub-prime crisis, India hardly felt its tremor ? Because our economy is independent from foreign economy. RBI has actually saved our economy in last 4-5 years from collapsing thanks to the autonomy they enjoy.

As far as China's Forex in surplus is concerned, ask their economist how much happy they are with that ? Did you see with the way it is coming down ? Japan & China can have as much Forex as they want, but they are always vulnerable to the external threat, they'll have to keep their currency under valued just to keep competing with other world, that creates a problem for them when they have to import other stuff, their domestic industry comes under pressure and then they have fund them by using their Forex, so they work hard to pay for their domestic industry to feed the world. :lol::lol::lol:

We should never follow the Chinese or the Japanese model, ever.

Yes but wouldn't the underlying point still remain that compared to our current economy the debt is a cause for concern, not catastrophic but something we need to deal with

However our economy is rubbish if you look at the potential for growth of a underdeveloped 200 million market that has big growth prospects in all economic sectors, the debt issue could be a non issue if the economy takes off

Whether it be india, Indonesia, Thailand or China

These were at one point underdeveloped states, the potential due to population, resources, etc was enormous and then due to various factors they started making ise if that potential and their economies took off

Pakistan is on the cusp, the world economy cannot ignore a 200 million market with a large consumer base in need of everything if not for Pakistans intrest then its own

If the debt can be controlled and the economy starts taking strides, the same as india's, Indonesia's did then this debt issue resolves itself

Or am i reading it wrong?
Agreed with some of your point, but whatever you said sounds good to ears, but economy doesn't work only on good prospects of the country, as far as Pakistan's economy is concern world cannot ignore that it has a huge middle class which can consume products, but is it useful for Pakistan ?

Pakistan's external debt if not a major concern, but its distribution is. If the debt is because of FDI or External borrowing or Foreign citizen deposit then not an issue, because the money will be mostly spent in the country and will help in investment. But too much Govt external borrowing is a concern, because to pay that amount of debt the govt will have to stop development work, the capital expenditure will be low so no public investment in infra or other sectors, so no development or growth,the foreign com will have no trust and they will not invest either in your country.

Also remember too much of import and export causes problem, you have to maintain an equilibrium and zero balance of payment to make your economy strong. It helps your bond value.
 
Forget the future , now also the Economy is in bad shape as around 35% of the earning go into debt servicing. Mark my word once it crosses century mark it will be very difficult for them to revive from that point.
Source for that number?

We should never follow China, Japan or South Korea, their model of economy is never a sustainable one. We will have to be in between USA & China, export some stuffs but maintain the CAD by importing few stuffs.

Why even at the time of sub-prime crisis, India hardly felt its tremor ? Because our economy is independent from foreign economy. RBI has actually saved our economy in last 4-5 years from collapsing thanks to the autonomy they enjoy.

As far as China's Forex in surplus is concerned, ask their economist how much happy they are with that ? Did you see with the way it is coming down ? Japan & China can have as much Forex as they want, but they are always vulnerable to the external threat, they'll have to keep their currency under valued just to keep competing with other world, that creates a problem for them when they have to import other stuff, their domestic industry comes under pressure and then they have fund them by using their Forex, so they work hard to pay for their domestic industry to feed the world. :lol::lol::lol:

We should never follow the Chinese or the Japanese model, ever.


Agreed with some of your point, but whatever you said sounds good to ears, but economy doesn't work only on good prospects of the country, as far as Pakistan's economy is concern world cannot ignore that it has a huge middle class which can consume products, but is it useful for Pakistan ?

Pakistan's external debt if not a major concern, but its distribution is. If the debt is because of FDI or External borrowing or Foreign citizen deposit then not an issue, because the money will be mostly spent in the country and will help in investment. But too much Govt external borrowing is a concern, because to pay that amount of debt the govt will have to stop development work, the capital expenditure will be low so no public investment in infra or other sectors, so no development or growth,the foreign com will have no trust and they will not invest either in your country.

Also remember too much of import and export causes problem, you have to maintain an equilibrium and zero balance of payment to make your economy strong. It helps your bond value.
You make lots of sense!
 
InshAllah we will

The problem is with the trolls here
@That Guy @Arsalan you guys are expert on these topics so i am tagging you here :)
@waz is right, no need to close thread, just because of a few trolls.

He's also correct in that a lot of Pakistanis whom are praising NS and his government, ARE ignoring a lot of problems, including the increase in debt liability. In fact, I'd go so far as to say that debt isn't even the biggest problem Pakistan has, it is the inability to pay back that debt, due to incompetence.
 
Under the fake and corrupt democracy of Nawaz Sharif and Zardari before him, Pakistan is falling into a very dangerous debt trap and will collapse like Argentina. This will make our enemies very happy.

These two corrupt leaders for their own short term political & personal interest have sunken this country.
 
All the loans taken by Ishaq DOLLAR are going in the pockets of pml-n & their haramy family.
 
http://www.brecorder.com/articles-a-letters/187/80266/

DR HAFIZ A PASHA

The SBP has just released the data on external debt of Pakistan as of June 30, 2016. The stock of debt has ballooned up to almost $73 billion; with a largest ever increase of almost $8 billion in 2015-16. The last time we saw a big rise in external debt of over $6 billion was in 2008-09 when Pakistan was compelled to go into a relatively large Stand-by Facility with the IMF after the substantial depletion of foreign exchange reserves in 2007-08 due to the hike in oil prices.

During the first three years of the PML (N) Government the cumulative increase in external debt is of $12 billion. This represents a rate of net external borrowing annually which is 37% more than during the tenure of PPP government. Also, reserves have increased by just over $12 billion during this period. Therefore, virtually the entire increase in reserves is due to external borrowing. This inevitably raises doubts about the sustainability of such a policy.

A major concern is that in 2015-16 the rise in foreign exchange reserves was $4.5 billion as compared to net external borrowing of $8 billion. This implies that almost $3.5 billion of borrowing has been used to finance transactions in the balance of payments. Clearly, debt repayment has not been correspondingly enhanced.

The component of public external debt has increased to over $61 billion, equivalent to almost 85% of total external debt. The stock of external debt with bilateral and multilateral aid-giving agencies has increased by almost $5 billion and with the IMF by $2 billion respectively in 2015-16.

How do the debt sustainability indicators look at the end of 2015-16? One measure is the external debt to GDP ratio. Fortunately, this has remained, more or less, constant at 26% since 2012-13. Another, perhaps more relevant indicator of debt repayment capacity is the ratio of total external debt to exports of goods and non-factor services. This has skyrocketed to 266% in end-June 2016 as compared to 193% in end-June 2013.The big jump can be attributed to the large increase in external debt over the last three years and to the almost 13% fall in exports. Another adverse indicator is the increased dependence on net external borrowing to finance the fiscal deficit. In 2012-13, there was virtually no external financing. It is estimated that reliance on external borrowing for this purpose may have reached a peak of almost 40% in 2015-16.

The composition of external debt has also moved more towards relatively high cost borrowing. The share of bilateral and multilateral assistance, mostly in the form of concessional debt, has fallen from 67% in 2012-13 to 60% by the end of 2015-16. Commercial debt in the form of Euro/Sukuk Bonds and borrowing from international commercial banks has increased by over $4 billion.

The consequence is that interest payments on public external debt have increased by 50% in the last three years, while the stock of such debt has gone up by 20%. This implies that there has been a significant increase in the effective average interest rate on public external debt.

The outlook for 2016-17 is even more worrying. The Paris debt rescheduling has also come to an end. Consequently, the budget documents indicate that the repayment plus interest cost of public external debt will go up by almost $1.1 billion, an increase of over 28% over the level in 2015-16.

The Federal Government also plans to undertake gross external borrowing for budgetary purposes in 2016-17 of almost $8 billion. This includes $3.3 billion of project and program assistance, a drop of 54% over the level in 2015-16. Does this indicate a loss of comfort with international agencies following the departure of the IMF?

This fall is proposed to be compensated by an increase in commercial borrowing in the form of Euro/Sukuk Bonds of $1.7 billion and loans from international commercial banks of over $2 billion respectively. If these sources and amounts of funding materialise then Pakistan will go further into the 'debt trap'. However, this may not be forthcoming or the cost could be too high in the absence of an on-going IMF program.

The Government has used the IMF Extended Fund Facility to borrow increasingly large amounts internationally. Reserves have been built up though this strategy. For example, reserves have increased by $467 million in the week ending August 19, 2016.Is this through commercial bank borrowing at a high interest rate?

The consequence is that the economy has been afflicted by a form of 'Dutch Disease', whereby the Rupee has artificially acquired stability. This has led to substantial over valuation of the currency, which has affected export competitiveness and made imports cheaper.

There is no other option but to get out of the addiction with larger and larger doses of external borrowing and increase the extent of self-reliance. Far reaching measures will need to be adopted to boost exports, restrict imports and sustain the level of home remittances. Otherwise, possibly somewhat before or around the time of the next general elections, Pakistan could be facing another financial crisis.

(The writer is Professor Emeritus and former Deputy Chairman of the Planning Commission)
 
In the theme of @The Sandman I should report you and hope to get your message deleted and tag in all the mods. But I wont because this is a real issue of both nations.

With make in india, hopefully this will also fall. But with China, it will be difficult to close the gap.

37.3% of that 485 billion is commercial borrowing by private entities..26.1 % of the 485 billion is NRI deposits.

The real short term debt has fallen by 25%.
 
@waz is right, no need to close thread, just because of a few trolls.

He's also correct in that a lot of Pakistanis whom are praising NS and his government, ARE ignoring a lot of problems, including the increase in debt liability. In fact, I'd go so far as to say that debt isn't even the biggest problem Pakistan has, it is the inability to pay back that debt, due to incompetence.

But but but, the stockmarket is about to become the bestestestest ever!!!

@Viper0011. :P
 

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