Pakistan Russia set to make history in Moscow next week

[Umair Nawaz]

Pakistan is involve in this because this pipeline will be made from Russian's money so Pakistan has to do nothing in it no investment. All investment from Russian part. Their main focus is India but Pakistan will get LNG without spending any money and will get money from it passing through our country it will strengthen our relationship with Russia as their pipeline will be through our country to India which is their main target and they will/can get bonus from our people.

its not that simply, if we say no russian can shove that money up their behind!

In our yes n no this project depends to begin with, and giving india transit specially for energy by which they will grow and will use that money against us to fund their proxies against pakistan is not acceptable.
Pakistan herself is the consumer market of 220 million people and from now on it will only grow significantly. For a sanctioned country of mere 220 million like russia that should be already enough of the motivation to fund and sell this project and gas to us. PERIOD!

 

[Av8er]

Yeh. Yeh. More fcukin rubbish. This is like when PM IK went to KSA everybody was masturbating about supposed Saudi $10 billion grant to Pakistan. That of course was lot of hot air. When talking of big figures KSA only likes handing them to USA. Not Pakistan. And so it was. PM IK came back with some post dated promises.

And now out of the blue the Russkes have decided to bless us with $10 billon investment. Crock of shite. More hot air.

Calm your chuddie and watch your language before you get banned. People speculate all they want, unless it is officially disclosed by the government, it doesn’t count. BTW the amount refers to their planned investment and it is not a grant.

 

[farok84]

Yeh. Yeh. More fcukin rubbish. This is like when PM IK went to KSA everybody was masturbating about supposed Saudi $10 billion grant to Pakistan. That of course was lot of hot air. When talking of big figures KSA only likes handing them to USA. Not Pakistan. And so it was. PM IK came back with some post dated promises.

And now out of the blue the Russkes have decided to bless us with $10 billon investment. Crock of shite. More hot air.

Saudi's are coming to Pakistan on September 30th to finalize their investment(s) in Gwadar oil city project. Maybe there was some meaning to the hot air after-all.

Russians had signed an MOU yesterday for conducting a feasibility study, to decide, whether to invest or not, that $10B.

 

[RIP Pak LAW]

Some agreement was signed in Moscow yesterday as per 'credible' local newspapers but it didn't got much media attention as of now. Something is surely cooking but not transparent yet. As per reports, Pakistan will buy gas from Russia through under water gas pipelines for $10 billion. How will we pay this amount ? or is it like 10 years deal - $1 billion per year like what previous Govt did with Qatar.

 

[farok84]

Some agreement was signed in Moscow yesterday as per 'credible' local newspapers but it didn't got much media attention as of now. Something is surely cooking but not transparent yet. As per reports, Pakistan will buy gas from Russia through under water gas pipelines for $10 billion. How will we pay this amount ? or is it like 10 years deal - $1 billion per year like what previous Govt did with Qatar.

Not taking away the strategic importance of this agreeement, it is an agreement for conducting a feasibility study to lay an offshore pipeline. If this study deems the project economically viable than Russians will invest those $10B. At the moment, they are just bearing the cost to conduct this study.

 

[RIP Pak LAW]

Not taking away the strategic importance of this agreeement, it is an agreement for conducting a feasibility study to lay an offshore pipeline. If this study deems the project economically viable than Russians will invest those $10B. At the moment, they are just bearing the cost to conduct this study.

If the source of the gas field is in Iran, which Russians owns it, than it is a common sense to conclude that it is indeed a very feasible project, keeping Iran-Pakistan distance in mind. However, Trump govt is getting bizurk against Iran and they are not sparing anyone who is doing business with them at the moment. So this is a concern for Pakistan. Though as of now, at least in media, neither Pakistan nor Russia is directly taking 'Iran' name in this proposed project though the gas source is clearly Iran LOL. I think project will only kick off if Trump losses elections in 2 years time.

 

[farok84]

If the source of the gas field is in Iran, which Russians owns it, than it is a common sense to conclude that it is indeed a very feasible project, keeping Iran-Pakistan distance in mind. However, Trump govt is getting bizurk against Iran and they are not sparing anyone who is doing business with them at the moment. So this is a concern for Pakistan. Though as of now, at least in media, neither Pakistan nor Russia is directly taking 'Iran' name in this proposed project though the gas source is clearly Iran LOL. I think project will only kick off if Trump losses elections in 2 years time.

Gazprom is also sanctioned by US. A stand-alone offshore pipeline to Pakistan from Iran, will not be feasible economically. I have been arguing it on another thread. I believe Russians are planning an Indo-Iranian offshore pipeline avoiding Pakistan's EEZ, while doing so they also wanna tap Pakistan's market, and hence will be giving a tie-in to Pakistan via Gwadar. If they only wanted to tap Pakistan's market, an onshore pipeline would have made much sense economically. Offshore projects tend to increase not only initial investment but operational and maintenance cost too.

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/paki...ffshore-pipeline-deal-next-week.561711/page-2

 

[AZ1]

Doea anyone have pipeline map how it will come to gwadar? From russia to china to Pakistan land route??

 

[farok84]

Doea anyone have pipeline map how it will come to gwadar? From russia to china to Pakistan land route??

They haven't published anything yet. But the route will be Iran to Persian gulf to Gwadar.

 

[BHarwana]

@Indus Pakistan here the deal is being signed. Now are you happy? Patience my friend every thing is going to happen. It will be all good and green.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1045414240453120000

 

[farok84]

Russia, Pakistan sign MoU on gas pipeline from Iran
Source: Xinhua | 2018-09-28 03:50:52 | Editor: huaxia

Russian Deputy Energy Minister Anatoly Yanovsky and Pakistan's Ministry of Energy Additional Secretary Sher Afgan Khan sign a memorandum of understanding in Moscow, Russia on Sept. 27, 2018. (Photo by Russian Energy Ministry)

MOSCOW, Sept. 27 (Xinhua) -- Russia and Pakistan signed a memorandum of understanding on implementing a project to build an underwater gas pipeline from Iran to Pakistan and India, the Russian Energy Ministry said in a statement Thursday.

"The memorandum provides for the identification of authorized organizations through which the project will be supported, including during the development of a feasibility study, identification of the resource base, configuration and route of the gas pipeline," the statement said.

Russian Deputy Energy Minister Anatoly Yanovsky and Pakistan's Ministry of Energy Additional Secretary Sher Afgan Khan signed the document in Moscow.

Now Russia will have to inform Iran and India about the signing, after which it expects to sign a similar document with India, Yanovsky said in the statement.

The project was frozen in 2013 due to the imposition of sanctions against Iran, but its revival started in 2017. In November 2017, Russia and Iran signed a memorandum that envisaged Russian support for gas supplies from Iran to India.

In March, a Russian-Iranian working group on the implementation of the project had its first meeting.

According to Yanovsky, Russia and Pakistan were holding consultations on another project of building the 1,100 kilometer North-South Gas Pipeline (NSGP) between Pakistan's Karachi and Lahore to transport 12.3 billion cubic meters of gas per year.

The implementation of an agreement signed in October last year between Russia and Pakistan on Russian liquefied natural gas (LNG) supplies "can become a promising direction of cooperation," he said.

The governments of the two countries were also considering signing an agreement on Russian oil products supplies to Pakistan, Yanovsky said.

In addition, Russian electric power industry has shown interest in the Pakistani market, he said.

http://www.xinhuanet.com/english/2018-09/28/c_137497518.htm

It's a bit more clear now. It is indeed Iran to India offshore pipeline from which they are planning to provide a tie-in to Pakistan, as earlier hypothesized.
@Indus Pakistan @Clutch @HRK

 

[Indus Pakistan]

Russia, Pakistan sign MoU on gas pipeline from Iran
Source: Xinhua | 2018-09-28 03:50:52 | Editor: huaxia

Russian Deputy Energy Minister Anatoly Yanovsky and Pakistan's Ministry of Energy Additional Secretary Sher Afgan Khan sign a memorandum of understanding in Moscow, Russia on Sept. 27, 2018. (Photo by Russian Energy Ministry)

MOSCOW, Sept. 27 (Xinhua) -- Russia and Pakistan signed a memorandum of understanding on implementing a project to build an underwater gas pipeline from Iran to Pakistan and India, the Russian Energy Ministry said in a statement Thursday.

"The memorandum provides for the identification of authorized organizations through which the project will be supported, including during the development of a feasibility study, identification of the resource base, configuration and route of the gas pipeline," the statement said.

Russian Deputy Energy Minister Anatoly Yanovsky and Pakistan's Ministry of Energy Additional Secretary Sher Afgan Khan signed the document in Moscow.

Now Russia will have to inform Iran and India about the signing, after which it expects to sign a similar document with India, Yanovsky said in the statement.

The project was frozen in 2013 due to the imposition of sanctions against Iran, but its revival started in 2017. In November 2017, Russia and Iran signed a memorandum that envisaged Russian support for gas supplies from Iran to India.

In March, a Russian-Iranian working group on the implementation of the project had its first meeting.

According to Yanovsky, Russia and Pakistan were holding consultations on another project of building the 1,100 kilometer North-South Gas Pipeline (NSGP) between Pakistan's Karachi and Lahore to transport 12.3 billion cubic meters of gas per year.

The implementation of an agreement signed in October last year between Russia and Pakistan on Russian liquefied natural gas (LNG) supplies "can become a promising direction of cooperation," he said.

The governments of the two countries were also considering signing an agreement on Russian oil products supplies to Pakistan, Yanovsky said.

In addition, Russian electric power industry has shown interest in the Pakistani market, he said.

http://www.xinhuanet.com/english/2018-09/28/c_137497518.htm

It's a bit more clear now. It is indeed Iran to India offshore pipeline from which they are planning to provide a tie-in to Pakistan, as earlier hypothesized.
@Indus Pakistan @Clutch @HRK

I am very surprised about this. MOU. There is lot of space for slip between the teacup and lips. Anyway let's see how this plays out. I of course remain sceptical ...

 

[farok84]

I am very surprised about this. MOU. There is lot of space for slip between the teacup and lips. Anyway let's see how this plays out. I of course remain sceptical ...

Keeping in view the current geo-politics, this becomes more surprising. This is Pakistan essentially telling US to f*ck off in caps.
Now, from a technical point of view, with India in picture, the project does become economically viable. Our share of the pipeline should be only around 100kms. And Gazprom wouldn't even have to spend any extra money on it's engineering. They should be able to finish this feasibility within 6 months, if India decides not to throw her usual tantrums.

 

[HRK]

I am very surprised about this. MOU. There is lot of space for slip between the teacup and lips. Anyway let's see how this plays out. I of course remain sceptical ...

if India decides not to throw her usual tantrums.

this will be a test case for the future of this region specially for the Russians, but don't know why I have a feeling that one way or the other this project will face the same fate as IPI or Iran-India off-shore gas pipeline project.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

this will be a test case for the future of this region specially for the Russians, but don't know why I have a feeling that one way or the other this project will face the same fate as IPI or Iran-India off-shore gas pipeline project.

Yes, I agree. Whether we like it or not USA's shadow as a superpower will remain on the region for decades to come. You can see the new emerging giant China taking steps forward very causiosly. They have the fell of American pulse better then anybody as they are the ones who are rolling back US influence - not Russians who are essentially a spent power living off the past Soviet glory and Arab style oil/gas lottery.

Given this reality and US hostility toward Iran I struggle to see how Russians could pull this off. Like anything related to Iran US pressure will snuff it. It could set of a chain as follows. Americans get pissed off about Iran gas being exported [they are trying to strangle Iranian economy] and even more so consider Russians doing this in the Persuan Gul as poking them in the eye. Simultanously Saudi's/GCC take exception against Russian/Iranian project for obvious reasons, Next thing the good old US/Saudi alliance begins it's drive to scuttle this project and they would succeed doing so.

I mean taken from a purely economic POV the easiest way to tap Iranian gas for Pakistan and cheapest would be connect to Iranian IGAT 7 - 9 pipeline on the Balochistan border. I mean one of the largest gas reserves is literally waiting for Pakistan few miles [70miles?] west of Gwadar on the Iranian border. Why has China not just built a connection their and sorted out the entire Pakstan issues around energy? Because China does not feel it can afford a tussle with USA.

1979 was a disater not only for Iran but for Pakistan also. I read that IGAT 1 pipeline was cobstructed by a European consortium back in mid 1970s with intention to supply all of Europe with Iranian gas. Countries like France, Germany etc would have been fed Iranian gas and Pakistan would of course get gas from IGAT 7. Then came the Iranian revolution in 1979 and everything has been frozen since. Iran would have been a energy superpower and Pakistan would have had a huge prosperous market right next door including endless supply of cheap energy.

All dashed because of the collision between Iranian ego and US imperial hubris.