Pakistan rubbishes Indian claims of Surgical Strike inside Pakistan.

[Riz]

Last time an Indian army drone was shotdown by pak f16 within 2km of loc , how can be it possible that 25 commando's reached inside AJK using a stalthy dhruv helicopter....wesy chay bhi to pee hoge Islamabad ma ?lol and what if tomorrow our DGMO comeup with a similar press conference that we entered in Azad Kashmir and killed 30 Indian troops ? Certainly u guys will ask us about proof ..anyways I salute IA how they foold aam janta of endia

 

[Bilal Khan 777]

Sir, please start a 'Why Pakistanis would celebrate India's space technology' thread. I will be happy to join.

I am a pilot son. I have no knowledge of space vehicles. Indeed it is a great achievement of India. However, i have nothing to contribute there.

 

[RPK]

India begins operation PAY BACK with 'surgical strikes' on militant bases in Azad Kashmir killing 38 jihadis and two of their handlers

• India's 'surgical strikes' killed 38 jihadis and two of their handlers
• The conflict comes as a response to the killing of 18 Indian soldiers in Uri by alleged Pakistan-backed militants
• Pakistan’s Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif said in a statement: 'Our intent for a peaceful neighborhood should not be mistaken as our weakness'

By MAIL TODAY BUREAU

PUBLISHED: 18:17 EST, 29 September 2016 | UPDATED: 18:25 EST, 29 September 2016

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The Indian Army's elite commandos crossed the Line of Control and hit militant launch pads in Azad Kashmir with “surgical strikes”, killing 38 jihadis and two of their handlers.

The move comes as an unprecedented retributive response to this month’s deadly attack on the Uri military base.

This is the first time India has publicly acknowledged such an attack in an indication of the Narendra Modi government’s muscular approach to dealing with terrorism and threats to its security.

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The Indian Army's elite commandos crossed the Line of Control and hit militant launch pads in Azad Kashmir with “surgical strikes”, killing 38 jihadis and two of their handlers

The daring raid triggered a nationwide alert for retaliatory strikes by Pakistan even though the neighbouring country denied that Indian troops crossed the LoC, instead claiming that that just two of its soldiers were killed in intensive cross-border firing.

Analysts see the move as a massive departure from India’s previous policy of “strategic restraint”.

The dramatic strikes turned out to be a carefully planned and well-executed operation in which maximum damage was inflicted in a covert offensive action that lasted just four hours.

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It started shortly after midnight and was over by 4am, before the break of dawn.

The retaliatory response came around 10 days after 18 Indian Army soldiers were killed in a pre-dawn raid by Jaish-e-Mohammad terrorists carrying incendiary ammunition in Kashmir’s Uri town on September 18.

Sources said Pakistan were slow to respond before eventually launching a counter-offensive by opening heavy mortar and artillery fire which continued till 7am.

By that time, Indian army commandos had accomplished their task and returned safely.

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Around 25 commandos split in small groups were flown close to LoC in army’s Dhruv helicopters and they sneaked across the fence to strike at the terrorists waiting to enter Jammu and Kashmir

The LoC was crossed at seven locations in four sectors in Azad Kashmir - Bhimber, Kel, Tatta Pani (Hotspring) and Leepa.

Around 25 commandos split in small groups were flown close to LoC in army’s Dhruv helicopters and they sneaked across the fence to strike at the terrorists waiting to enter Jammu and Kashmir.

Armed with M4 assault rifles, grenades, smoke bombs, Under-Barrel Grenade Launchers (UBGLs), night-vision devices and helmet cameras, the Indian commandos struck the targets with precision, highly placed military officials said.

The attack, which took place around three kilometers inside Azad Kashmir, caught the jihadis by surprise.

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Indian Border Security Force (BSF) personnel stand guard at the India-Pakistan Wagah Border, about 35 km from Amritsar after the Punjab state government issued a warning to villagers to evacuate from a 10 km radius from the India-Pakistan border ©Narinder Nanu (AFP)

Sources said the entire operation was recorded on camera. The footage will be made available later, said officials.

The army’s response came days after Prime Minister Narendra Modi delivered a speech that many saw as a call for restraint even as the government went ahead with diplomatic means to isolate Pakistan.

Military intelligence officials had been keeping a sharp eye on the terror launch pads and militant movements across the LoC for almost a week, sources said.

A flurry of activity followed the strike, which was made public in the afternoon at an unprecedented briefing addressed by the Director General Military Operations (DGMO) Lt Gen Ranbir Singh.

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India's 'surgical strikes' killed 38 jihadis and two of their handlers

“Based on receiving specific and credible inputs that some terrorist teams had positioned themselves at launch pads along the LoC to carry out infiltration and conduct terrorist strikes inside Jammu and Kashmir and in various metros in other states, the Indian army conducted surgical strikes at several of these launch pads to pre-empt infiltration by terrorists,” he said,

Singh said he had also spoken to his Pakistani counterpart and expressed concern over the infiltration attempt.

The announcement was made after Prime Minister Modi chaired a meeting of the Cabinet Committee on Security (CCS) where the DGMO gave a detailed presentation of the operation.

Defence minister Manohar Parrikar, national security adviser Ajit Doval and army chief Dalbir Singh monitored the whole operation in a 'war room' in South Block.

The PM was kept up to date on all developments.

Modi's War Room: Defence minister Manohar Parrikar, national security adviser Ajit Doval and army chief Dalbir Singh monitored the whole operation in a 'war room' in South Block

A nationwide alert was sounded as the government anticipated retaliation by Pakistani forces.

The border areas were vacated and the air force and navy were put on standby.

Even during the 1999 Kargil war India didn't cross the LoC. However, this time the government gave a clear mandate to the army to go across the border and attack.

The Indian Army maintained that the targets of the strikes were terrorists and asked the Pakistan army to cooperate.

The Pakistan foreign office summoned Indian high commissioner in Islamabad Gautam Bambawale and registered a protest against cross-border firing killing two Pakistani soldiers.

Pakistan’s Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif said in a statement: “Our intent for a peaceful neighborhood should not be mistaken as our weakness.

“Our valiant forces are fully capable of defending the territorial integrity of the country.”

India’s bold move has given new dimension to the tactical operations.

Sources said the idea was to make a statement and send a strong message that military strikes against India will no longer go unpunished.

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[Bharat Muslim]

A layman's queries regarding surgical strikes on Pakistan: This thread is only for asking questions and seeking answers. No criticism or enemy-bashing please.

Who is that guy wearing purple coloured chequered shirt on the left side in the picture?

CONTEXT: It's about the surgical strike India conducted across LOC to attack 5 Pakistani launchpads. See link. But an Indian misrepresented it as shown in the below quote:

Reporter..Uri incident on 18th September

https://elitepredators.wordpress.com/2016/09/30/how-they-did-raid-2909/

 

[Kamikaze Pilot]

@Max @django

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[艹艹艹]

How much money has been spent on this weapon

 

[COLDHEARTED AVIATOR]

A layman's queries regarding surgical strikes on Pakistan: This thread is only for asking questions and seeking answers. No criticism or enemy-bashing please.

Who is that guy wearing purple coloured chequered shirt on the left side in the picture?

Reporter..Uri incident on 18th September

 

[Nilgiri]

What you also forget that your government can also lie to you. Open your mind. It may help you in the future.

Where did I fully discount that possibility?

I am just explaining from operational standpoint, there is little reason to believe there was something impossible about what India DGMO released.

Now nature of who I feel is more believable in such things between India and Pakistan will obviously have my inherent bias, and you will have yours for your side. Nothing can be done about that I am afraid. Both will feel occam's razor applies to their own version.

It is like the movie Rashomon in a deep way now that I think about it.

 

[Bharat Muslim]

@maximuswarrior

 

[hacker J]

I cant make anything of it, can you please paraphrase it ? It wont hurt you to do such

earlier post :-Does it matter what I think ? Do u have picture of his body ? Or are you going to digest it like that fake WMD's of iraq

my reply:-exactly when you cant even belive that and then you support people who belive US strike as well as ask india about proofs

Before that the question was asked about beliving that OBL attack really happened or not to which the earlier post was made

What i wanted to say was Yes it does matter because if you do not belive that OBL attacked happen which really did then you don't have a ryt to ask for the profs for indian attack, because no matter what proof is given or what is said you are never gonna belive in it
I hope now it is clear

 

[sbh02]

No credible international media outlet has published India's propaganda that 38 terrorists were killed.

Everyone has said "India has claimed it has conducted surgical strikes", and Pakistan has denied it.

 

[Counterpunch]

(An alternate view)
I wonder why are so many members basing their acceptance on seeing the video footage. Tell me how are you going to establish the veracity of the video in itself? This is going to be a never ending debate of bring more evidence

Fact of the matter (to me) is Indians played very smart and they are 1 up after the Uri incident. Why is it so hard to accept that the Indians cannot cross the border (0.5 - 2 KMs is almost nothing on a zigzag border)? Or, why is it so hard to digest that our defences were inadequate on some KMs out of staggering 740 KM length of the LoC? The trumpeting Indians are doing is not all hollow and the responses from our side are also not rock solid as of now. Though the information that is getting out eludes sanity but then who said all that in the media is from the horses mouth? Indians are benefiting from the confusion and the passing of time will only calm things down which will benefit India more. India has raised the stakes for GoP and have triggered the snow ball down the slope and there is no stopping it I tell you, but that's a debate for another time

How it happened (If what Indians saying is that happened) : Since it is impossible to believe that the incursion would have remained undetected for hours, this means we ended up losing precious time in getting on the same page with the Airforce and the Government since IAf was in air above the LoC on Indian side and the SOPs on Pakistan's side were either not clearly drafted, understood or agreed between the forces or worst of all we believed nothing could go wrong of that magnitude. We are saying that the orders were clear but I see the WILL to act was missing in crucial few hours. Obviously the need was for Air cover to arrive (which didn't) since the nearby posts could not reinforce briskly in the thick of the night. I know it is hard to believe during the heightened tensions but let me be the one who brings the bad news to you or shows you we are humans too.
I have seen numerous times, such brain freeze happening to very brilliants of people so it's no shame in admitting we could have succumbed to that.

To conclude, Indians crossed over with cams; killed a few sentries and filmed, filmed the destruction already done by artillery and made good their escape (who even cares on Indian side either if some of them lost their lives since it was an operation to defame your worst enemy and not to inflict any injuries as some are believing here. And this defamation by just claiming to enter is worst than killing 100's of soldiers who would have been war heroes on Pakistan's side and only strengthened the resolve). And I have heard (heard) such (in)advertent incursions are not too uncommon on the 740 Km border from both sides, but this time Indians chose to sensationalize it a bit as well as publicized

Prepare your strength but respect your enemy!

Happy commenting & Peace!

 

[sbh02]

(An alternate view)
I wonder why are so many members basing their acceptance on seeing the video footage. Tell me how are you going to establish the veracity of the video in itself? This is going to be a never ending debate of bring more evidence

Fact of the matter (to me) is Indians played very smart and they are 1 up after the Uri incident. Why is it so hard to accept that the Indians cannot cross the border (0.5 - 2 KMs is almost nothing on a zigzag border)? Or, why is it so hard to digest that our defences were inadequate on some KMs out of staggering 740 KM length of the LoC? The trumpeting Indians are doing is not all hollow and the responses from our side are also not rock solid as of now. Though the information that is getting out eludes sanity but then who said all that in the media is from the horses mouth? Indians are benefiting from the confusion and the passing of time will only calm things down which will benefit India more. India has raised the stakes for GoP and have triggered the snow ball down the slope and there is no stopping it I tell you, but that's a debate for another time

How it happened (If what Indians saying is that happened) : Since it is impossible to believe that the incursion would have remained undetected for hours, this means we ended up losing precious time in getting on the same page with the Airforce and the Government since IAf was in air above the LoC on Indian side and the SOPs on Pakistan's side were either not clearly drafted, understood or agreed between the forces or worst of all we believed nothing could go wrong of that magnitude. We are saying that the orders were clear but I see the WILL to act was missing in crucial few hours. Obviously the need was for Air cover to arrive (which didn't) since the nearby posts could not reinforce briskly in the thick of the night. I know it is hard to believe during the heightened tensions but let me be the one who brings the bad news to you or shows you we are humans too.
I have seen numerous times, such brain freeze happening to very brilliants of people so it's no shame in admitting we could have succumbed to that.

To conclude, Indians crossed over with cams; killed a few sentries and filmed, filmed the destruction already done by artillery and made good their escape (who even cares on Indian side either if some of them lost their lives since it was an operation to defame your worst enemy and not to inflict any injuries as some are believing here. And this defamation by just claiming to enter is worst than killing 100's of soldiers who would have been war heroes on Pakistan's side and only strengthened the resolve). And I have heard (heard) such (in)advertent incursions are not too uncommon on the 740 Km border from both sides, but this time Indians chose to sensationalize it a bit as well as publicized

Prepare your strength but respect your enemy!

Happy commenting & Peace!

This was a political stunt, and Indian citizens (non-Modi fans) are questioning the account themselves. The fact that the Indian Army and government has failed to come up with answers shows it was a political stunt by India to relieve some pressure off Modi. Otherwise, the evidence would have already been out there. Peace.

 

[Khan_21]

The main problem is that any evidence released promptly or later, will always be refuted in some way by Pakistan in their eyes.

After all how many Pakistanis still believe Mumbai was a "false flag" or whatever....in opposition to all major world intelligence agencies.

So might as well release at the time and place of our choosing....if we even really want to (beyond what might be leaked inevitably)

This also helps Pakistan to deny and ease the stabilisation process. This is what India wants too.

You have to remember India primarily cares about India and izzat for her forces....not forcing Pakistan into a corner with little options as well. We cannot create the undeniable conditions like in Dhaka for each clash there is.....given the very nature of the majority of these clashes....of which Kargil is arguably the largest in post nuclear south asia.

I can fill your head with all kinds of parallels that the Israelis and Arabs did in the mid 20th century regarding this kind of conflict....and how each side simply didn't care proving anything to the other side, as long as "results" were achieved as they saw it...and credibility was established in their populations first and foremost.

My 2 cents

How did Indian army cross over 2 km into our territory when PAF and army were alert ?. If it was any other day pre - urhi I would have believed some part of your side about catching us offguard.

Not only did your army come 2 km inside they were there for 4 hours at 8 different locations without getting detected at the most heavily guarded border in the world? And to get back they had to use a helicopter. How did they manage that when PAF and our air defence systems were alert ?.

 

[Max]

Who is that guy wearing purple coloured chequered shirt on the left side in the picture?

seems media guy..

and who told you i know about shhhurrrgical shhhtrrrikkkke, i am noob in military affairs,