Pakistan reminds me of another great strategic state

[SoulSpokesman]

For very good reason, I use state, not nation. Both states can be described as armies in possession of nations; and not nations in possession of armies. Both took pangas with rivals several times their size and largely got away it. Both were driven by a relentless Drang nach Osten. And by a happy coincidence both have names starting with a P- you guessed right it's Prussia.

The only significant place where they differed is that Prussia for all its faults did take good care of its citizens providing universal education when it was unheard of as well as other ways. Mainly of course for creating citizens who could be good soldiers. Whereas Pakistan has failed till now. Hopefully, IK will do to Pak what FW-I and Frederick the Great do to Prussia.

Had Ayub Khans Decade of Development not been derailed, Pakistan could have been a Korea (South, not North) with a population of 200 million plus. It would have been a very formidable geopolitical power, not that it is inconsequential today.

Regards

 

[Joe Shearer]

For very good reason, I use state, not nation. Both states can be described as armies in possession of nations; and not nations in possession of armies. Both took pangas with rivals several times their size and largely got away it. Both were driven by a relentless Drang nach Osten. And by a happy coincidence both have names starting with a P- you guessed right it's Prussia.

The only significant place where they differed is that Prussia for all its faults did take good care of its citizens providing universal education when it was unheard of as well as other ways. Mainly of course for creating citizens who could be good soldiers. Whereas Pakistan has failed till now. Hopefully, IK will do to Pak what FW-I and Frederick the Great do to Prussia.

Had Ayub Khans Decade of Development not been derailed, Pakistan could have been a Korea (South, not North) with a population of 200 million plus. It would have been a very formidable geopolitical power, not that it is inconsequential today.

Regards

Now that you have emasculated another forum, and now that we have our favourite pro-Pakistani member walking about in a state of huff, there is a vacancy, and you are strategic in your choice of your moment of re-entry.

Congratulations, and welcome back.

When will the obligatory foul name-calling of Gandhi (and Nehru, and the usual suspects) start? Please give me some notice so that I can stay away for those few days.

 

[I.R.A]

Hopefully, IK will do to Pak what FW-I and Frederick the Great do to Prussia.

Charlatan.

A person who insults 220 million by saying "I am the only choice", cannot and will not change anything.

As long as Pakistan is in hands of people who serve their own petty interests, nothing will change.

 

[SoulSpokesman]

@Joe Shearer

Dada,

When will the obligatory foul name-calling of Gandhi (and Nehru, and the usual suspects) start?

Unlikely on this thread. They are irrelevant to the topic of this discussion.

Regards

 

[Joe Shearer]

@Joe Shearer

Dada,

When will the obligatory foul name-calling of Gandhi (and Nehru, and the usual suspects) start?

Unlikely on this thread. They are irrelevant to the topic of this discussion.

Regards

Ah, I see. Paint me relieved and soothed.

I shall take a small break to get the popcorn.

Happy hunting.

Charlatan.

A person who insults 220 million by saying "I am the only choice", cannot and will not change anything.

As long as Pakistan is in hands of people who serve their own petty interests, nothing will change.

Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaand......they're off!

 

[I.R.A]

Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaand......they're off!

Pardon my limited skill set ........ a little elaboration on your part will help me reach the intellect level where we can further this discussion. Will appreciate the effort.

 

[SoulSpokesman]

@I.R.A

IRA mian, In my limited wisdom though FM Ayub was da Man. The original Vikas Purush of the subcontinent. Koreas economic blueprint was based on his. Had he not been derailed by the 1965 war (instigated by Bhutto) Pakistan could have gone places.

Let's hope IK has the good sense to put some wise retd generals and other key talents in critical places.

Regards

 

[El Sidd]

For very good reason, I use state, not nation. Both states can be described as armies in possession of nations; and not nations in possession of armies. Both took pangas with rivals several times their size and largely got away it. Both were driven by a relentless Drang nach Osten. And by a happy coincidence both have names starting with a P- you guessed right it's Prussia.

The only significant place where they differed is that Prussia for all its faults did take good care of its citizens providing universal education when it was unheard of as well as other ways. Mainly of course for creating citizens who could be good soldiers. Whereas Pakistan has failed till now. Hopefully, IK will do to Pak what FW-I and Frederick the Great do to Prussia.

Had Ayub Khans Decade of Development not been derailed, Pakistan could have been a Korea (South, not North) with a population of 200 million plus. It would have been a very formidable geopolitical power, not that it is inconsequential today.

Regards

nice attempt to paint Pakistan as an aristocratic rogue state.

Pakistanis are a Civilisation beyond a Nation.

 

[Pappa Alpha]

Pakistanis are a Civilisation beyond a Nation.

Pakistan is an ideology

 

[El Sidd]

Pakistan is an ideology

Pakistan did came about through democracy and as a political doctrine.

Funny that the Baniya cannot see the irony of Brahmin aristocracy with a world war 1 army.

 

[SoulSpokesman]

@El Sidd

nice attempt to paint Pakistan as an aristocratic rogue state.

Not at all. Prussia was the kernel of modern Germany. Pakistan could be the kernel of a modern Greater ME Muslim state.

 

[Pappa Alpha]

Pakistan is a poor overpopulated country aur kuch bhi nhi

Of course at first glance it is

Pakistan did came about through democracy and as a political doctrine.

nostri temporis venit fratres mei

 

[I.R.A]

@I.R.A

IRA mian, In my limited wisdom though FM Ayub was da Man. The original Vikas Purush of the subcontinent. Koreas economic blueprint was based on his. Had he not been derailed by the 1965 war (instigated by Bhutto) Pakistan could have gone places.

Let's hope IK has the good sense to put some wise retd generals and other key talents in critical places.

Regards

He was a dictator. Simple fact.

IK cannot even manage his advisors and you think he will bring about a change.

Your constant reference to military and its personnel is confusing ........ will you state it clearly, the real intent please?

 

[Pappa Alpha]

IK cannot even manage his advisors and you think he will bring about a change.

IK is just a man trying to make his mark in history. Will he succeed in his vision? Only time will tell. Meanwhile the river that is Pakistan will continue to flow along it's path.

 

[SoulSpokesman]

@I.R.A

IRA mian,

Yes, FM Ayub was a dictator. Just as FW-I, Frederick the Great were absolute monarchs and Bismarck would be a Chancellor with almost unbridled powers. But they made Prussia/Germany what it became.

Regards