Pakistan rejects Manmohans failed state hint

[EagleEyes]

Pakistan rejects Manmohan's failed state hint
By PTI, Islamabad
Tue, 15 Nov 2005, 10:18:00

Picking on Indian Prime Minister Manmohan Singh's statement on "failed states" in India's neighbourhood, Pakistan Monday said it certainly was not one, but a "strong country," a nuclear power and a "vibrant nation" for those with "discerning eye."

"We do not know who the Indian Prime Minister was referring to. Surely the reference could not have been to Pakistan. Pakistan is a strong country, which is also a nuclear power. It would be highly irresponsible for anyone to suggest that a nuclear state is a failing state," Foreign Office spokesperson Tasnim Aslam told reporters here.

Asked about who Singh had in mind as a failed state, she said Pakistan's "strength and determination and courage" was demonstrated with the "powerful response" of the Pakistani people during the recent earthquake.

"If any evidence was required of the unity and strength of Pakistani nation, it was there or all to see. For any who has discerning eye these are the signs of a very vibrant and trong nation Pakistan is and remains," she said. On the eve of his departure for South Asian

Association for Regional Cooperation summit in Dhaka on Nov 11, Singh had said in New Delhi that the "danger of a number of failed states emerging in our neighbourhood has far-reaching consequences for our region and our people."

Answering another question, Aslam said Indian and Pakistani water officials along with the neutral expert appointed by the World Bank had held talks in Geneva without the media glare to reach an understanding of the Baglihar power project being built on the Chenab river in northern Indian state of Jammu and Kashmir.

Source: http://nation.ittefaq.com/artman/publish/article_23166.shtml

 

[Neo]

Manmohan needs to take a good look inside his own country, specially in UP, Bihar, Rajhastan and Orrisa...

 

[EagleEyes]

Indian government always try to act smart. They always trying to interfere with other countries, trying to be who they are not.

 

[miroslav]

Originally posted by Neo@Dec 4 2005, 10:52 PM
Manmohan needs to take a good look inside his own country, specially in UP, Bihar, Rajhastan and Orrisa...

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What???

Nobody is trying to pass Hisba bill here.

May be you can specify.

Thanks,

Miro

 

[Pyongyang]

Originally posted by miroslav@Dec 4 2005, 02:24 PM
What???

Nobody is trying to pass Hisba bill here.

May be you can specify.

Thanks,

Miro

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Every religion has its fundamentalists. And that Hisba Bill was shot down. Supreme Court thoguht that the MMA was on crack! Which they most likely are, getting shipments straight from Afghanistan.

 

[SMC]

Wow. Manmoham seemed very arrogant when he said that. The arrogancy is may cost him.

 

[Sharjeel]

Originally posted by miroslav@Dec 4 2005, 07:24 PM
What???

Nobody is trying to pass Hisba bill here.

May be you can specify.

Thanks,

Miro

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PWG


i recently found to my amazement 70% indians get paid the minimum salery of 520Rs per month? which is an average of all states...and some states even get paid like 300rs per MONTH!!! we in pakistan at the least get 100Rs minimum minimum...per DAY!! in our hotel we pay the lowest earning ones 3500-4000Rs!! thats like the minimum rate at our hotel..now if these poor rebel against the unfair system then where is the wrong? i rate india above china as a democracy. their people are getting poorer and poorer (difrence between the rich and the poor) but cant even say a word. for a democracy to run properly..every now and then patriots must spill fresh blood to bring about freedom and liberty. at the moment in india rich are geting richer and poor arent even thought about. thus they are rebelling (they are maoists...probably being given false hope by some power hungry sob never the less desperation is there and is the fault of the present indian system). also you have many other seperatist issues apart from this..

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map of where maoists have influence.

News Online looks at the People&#39;s War Group, linked to an attack that has left 26 police dead.

The People&#39;s War Group (PWG) was formed in 1980 by a school teacher, Kondapally Seetharamaiah, in southern India.

An outlawed group, it began as an armed peasant movement that advocated revolution in the Indian countryside

It is mainly active in Andhra Pradesh state but also has a presence in Orissa, Chhattisgarh and Jharkhand.

It has also developed links with other Maoist rebel groups in Bihar and Nepal.

The PWG was inspired by the Naxalbari movement of West Bengal - a student-led communist agitation of the late 1960s.

Seetharamaiah left his job at a school in Andhra Pradesh to become a left-wing activist.

He chose to follow the Maoist dictum of bringing about a "revolution from the barrel of a gun" and started recruiting men for his group.

The group then projected itself as the voice of the poor and landless and fought oppressive landlords.

But over the years, it graduated to a level where it started targeting the state and the security forces.

Turning point

The PWG enjoys a stronger presence in areas which have seen little economic development and are dominated by dalits, or those on the lower rungs of the Hindu caste hierarchy.

It draws much of its support from the landless poor. But critics say the majority of PWG victims too are poor.

The rebels, however, say they were killed because they were helping the police and security forces.

1987 was a turning point for the PWG when its activists kidnapped a group of senior bureaucrats.

The PWG also acquired sophisticated weapons and expertise in laying landmines around this time.

It declared an armed struggle against the government and demanded that an independent communist state be carved out of Andhra Pradesh and some neighbouring states.

In October 2003, the chief minister of Andhra Pradesh, Chandrababu Naidu, narrowly escaped a landmine attack blamed on the PWG.

Spreading links

The group declared several areas under its sway, calling them "guerrilla zones".

It still maintains several of these in the Telangana region of Andhra Pradesh, the Dandakarneya region in Chattishgarh and in Orissa.

Chandrababu Naidu, Chief Minister of Andhra Pradesh

It gained strength when another left-wing group - the Communist Party of India (Marxist Leninist Party Unity) - which was active in the state of Bihar - merged with the PWG in 1998.

The PWG also established links with the Maoist Communist Centre of Bihar and the left-wing rebels active in neighbouring Nepal.

While the group has since spread its area of influence to other parts of India - it is most active in Andhra Pradesh, Orissa, Chhattisgarh and Maharashtra.

Criminals

There were reports that the group was in talks with other left-wing rebel organisations to try to establish a "revolutionary zone" from Nepal to Andhra Pradesh.

No one knows the exact strength of the group - but official assessments vary from a 600-strong cadre in Andhra Pradesh to about 3,500 across India.

But there has been a sharp decline in the quality of recruits recently.

While its revolutionary ideas used to attract educated professionals, the lure of money and power led many criminals to join the group in the 1990s.

The organisation now largely relies on extortion to fund its activities, reportedly collecting between five and &#036;10m a year.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/2495449.stm

 

[miroslav]

Originally posted by Yahya@Dec 5 2005, 06:00 AM
PWG
i recently found to my amazement 70% indians get paid the minimum salery of 520Rs per month? which is an average of all states...and some states even get paid like 300rs per MONTH&#33;&#33;&#33; we in pakistan at the least get 100Rs minimum minimum...per DAY&#33;&#33; in our hotel we pay the lowest earning ones 3500-4000Rs&#33;&#33; thats like the minimum rate at our hotel..now if these poor rebel against the unfair system then where is the wrong? i rate india above china as a democracy. their people are getting poorer and poorer (difrence between the rich and the poor) but cant even say a word. for a democracy to run properly..every now and then patriots must spill fresh blood to bring about freedom and liberty. at the moment in india rich are geting richer and poor arent even thought about. thus they are rebelling (they are maoists...probably being given false hope by some power hungry sob never the less desperation is there and is the fault of the present indian system). also you have many other seperatist issues apart from this..

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Yahya,

Officialy and by Law an average worker at lowest wages rate must gate Indian Rs.3000/- per month + Benifits like medical/PF and gratuity etc.

Problem with India and apparently with Pakistan and China is that there are more lawbrakers than the followers.

But that dosent means that every Indian worker get the salary what you have specified in your post.

Most of these problems are into Rural areas where people are either not well educated or they don&#39;t have proper knowledge of LAWS.

Regarding the Maoists.

Maoists are a bunch from Nepal.They are the troublemakers over there. Many of them has crossed the Indian Borders due to open border and they have started troubling the some of the Indian states with their communist buddies within India.

Thats why all the states you have pointed out are near Nepal.

But they are not as much as the headeache like we have in Kashmir and/or in NE.

Maoists in India are not well organized; there is no strong leadership; no good weapons and communication systems and most of all they don&#39;t have any public support.

and guess who is helping us to get rid out of them???????


Click any or both following links.

China ready to help India crush Maoists

China offers help to India on Maoists


and BTW how the wages and Mao issues makes India a failed state?

Miro

 

[Neo]

Originally posted by miroslav@Dec 4 2005, 08:24 PM
What???

Nobody is trying to pass Hisba bill here.

May be you can specify.

Thanks,

Miro

Miro,

There&#39;s a reason these states are called &#39;The Bimaru&#39; states
I think you know what I mean...

 

[Nasir]

Originally posted by miroslav@Dec 4 2005, 07:24 PM
What???

Nobody is trying to pass Hisba bill here.

May be you can specify.

Thanks,

Miro

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Pakistan stands by report of Hamza Rabia’s death

* London-based activist says Qaeda leader is alive

PESHAWAR: Pakistan insisted on Monday that top Al Qaeda operative Hamza Rabia had died while making bombs in North Waziristan, as an Islamic activist in London claimed that he is still alive.

Pakistani officials brushed off Washington’s reluctance to confirm Rabia’s death, saying they had no doubt that he died in a massive explosion which killed four other people last Thursday in a house in North Waziristan.

Shrapnel that appeared to be from an American-made missile was found at the house, and a neighbour described seeing the white streak of a missile just before the blast. Despite the physical evidence of an apparent missile attack, Brig Javed Iqbal Cheema, head of the Interior Ministry’s Crisis Management Cell, insisted that Rabia “blew himself up while making bombs”.

A US missile attack could create a backlash against the government. Sadique al-Farooq, a spokesman for Pakistan Muslim League-Nawaz (PML-N), said that only Pakistani troops should operate against terror suspects in Pakistani territory. He demanded that the parliament be informed about anti-terrorism operations in the tribal region. “The parliament is not being taken into confidence about what has happened there and what has been happening,” he said. Rabia was involved in planning two assassination plots against Pakistani President Pervez Musharraf and “we believe that he was involved in planning attacks against the US”, US National Security Advisor Stephen Hadley said on Sunday.

Information Minister Sheikh Rashid Ahmed said that Rabia’s death was confirmed by DNA tests. But the Dawn newspaper said on Saturday that his body had been retrieved by associates from outside Pakistan.

Egyptian Yasser Sirri, the head of the London-based Islamic Observatory which defends Muslim causes worldwide, said that “Hamza Rabia is still alive”. “The house where he was staying was bombarded. His wife and children, including an 11-year-old girl, were killed but Hamza Rabia only suffered a wound to the leg and managed to escape,” said Sirri, who is known to be well-informed about Islamist groups. “The Pakistani authorities, and Musharraf in particular, are selling illusions to the Americans. They keep informing them about illusory arrests. Musharraf benefits from practicing political blackmail with the United States in order to defend his regime and win more aid,” he said. ap/afp

Source: http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?p...6-12-2005_pg1_3

 

[miroslav]

Originally posted by Neo@Dec 6 2005, 01:52 AM
Miro,

There&#39;s a reason these states are called &#39;The Bimaru&#39; states
I think you know what I mean...

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No body calls Rajasthan as Bimaru states and it dosent have problems with Maoists. It&#39;s not Pakistan Border.

The main problem is with UP and Biahar and not even with Rajastham

Both UP and Bihar has political instability and serious political cast problem.

I mean poilitics is played on the caste cards here which leads for clashes.

Due to the less political willingness and instability both states are having self-proclaimed criminal leaders. None of the party in this state is without criminals and since everybody is busy in playing politis and saving their own skins issues like development,education and employment are totally neglected due to which major businesses are going out of the sate(s).

Likewise Lalu Prasad Yadav ruled Bihar for 15 years (3 election terms) but did nothing but all the above said things.

Leaders like Paswan stuck on the dirty religious and caste politics. All of sudden one day Paswan came up with that only Muslim will beceom the next CM and blah blah.

Now Lalu has gone and Nitish has taken over along with BJP. Nothing is gonna change overnight but there is hope atleast.

When your nation has 30+ states and you are the world&#39;s biggest democracy this problems occur.

Thanks,

Miro

 

[Neo]

Well Rajhastan is doing much better than UP, Bihar or Orrissa.
Still I think Manmohan should have a better look into 30+ states in India before pointing his fingers to others.