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Pakistan Received Mi17 Helicopter From US

its not a big deal to put pylons and rockets onto the Mi-17. half hour of work and you can fix 6 x 32 x 57mm rocket pods - thats nearly 192 rockets onto the bird. devastating firepower. it cannot be used in urban insurgency but would be an asset in the open tribal areas
yes bu i thought that there will be difference in avionics, the cargo helicopter wont be having infrared seeking devices, groung moniering radar, fire control system also the radar and jamming abilities of attack chopper wont be met! though the Mi17 is fit and made for both roles but the US may have deprived these birds of such equipment!!

anyway no pictures still , i have searched the net but couldnt find any! the news channels are displaying the pics of the chopper being unloaded from a cargo plane!

regards!
 


ISLAMABAD (June 10, 2009): The United States has handed over four cargo helicopters to Pakistan on Wednesday, Aaj TV reported.

The four MI-17 cargo helicopters were handed over to Pakistan Army at the Charklala airbase, said the report.

The helicopters will be used for fight against terrorism and to help the affecters in the conflict areas where the military operation is going on against militants in the northwest.
 


ISLAMABAD (June 10, 2009): The United States has handed over four cargo helicopters to Pakistan on Wednesday, Aaj TV reported.

The four MI-17 cargo helicopters were handed over to Pakistan Army at the Charklala airbase, said the report.

The helicopters will be used for fight against terrorism and to help the affecters in the conflict areas where the military operation is going on against militants in the northwest.


sir this is not the pic of the heliopter given to us by the US! they are of the round nose shape not of the pointed one.
i guess the pointed nose houses some radar or sensor for attack role but the PA helicopters do not posses it!

i hope the actual pictures wii appear soon and we can display them here!

regards!
 

The additional helicopters are meant to enhance Pakistan’s capabilities to care for the hundreds of thousands of Pakistanis who have been displaced from their homes by the fighting. –APP Photo
 
i guess the pointed nose houses some radar or sensor for attack role but the PA helicopters do not posses it!

We also have pointed ones in our inventory.The pointed ones are the newer models of MI-17s.
 
yes bu i thought that there will be difference in avionics, the cargo helicopter wont be having infrared seeking devices, groung moniering radar, fire control system also the radar and jamming abilities of attack chopper wont be met! though the Mi17 is fit and made for both roles but the US may have deprived these birds of such equipment!!

These helicopters wont be used as gun ships - but only to provide supporting firepower when troops are dropped etc.

Indian Mi-17s switch between troop/ supply droppping and in gunship roles. most have chaff flare dispensers, while a few of em have NVG capabilities. they have been used in Kargil - and one of them lost to a stinger. (that chopper didnt have chaff/flares)
 
Is it on lease or there is any thing else............?
fully equiped as once showed in pics or the same that PA is using i mean not an attack hellicopter
regards,
Sunny
 
The additional helicopters are meant to enhance Pakistan’s capabilities to care for the hundreds of thousands of Pakistanis who have been displaced from their homes by the fighting. –APP Photo

agian my friend, it is not the pic of the chopper deleivered to us last day! still the pics of the chopper being unloaded from a cargo plane are nowhere on the net although the news channels are showing it!
anyway thanks for your response, i was expecting the actual pics from you as you have proved to be good in doing this and comming with new news stuff all the time! i hope it will be you who break the news by posting the pics!
regards!
 
after giving four Mi 17 cargo helicopters to Pakistan as promised by thr US there may be more to come. US is said to be locating more Mi17 helicopters that can be given to Pakistan as a support to the security forces of pakistan in there war against terror!!
this search is being carried out after the Pakistani authorities have demande for more choppers!

this news report was given on GEO News!

i hope they will come soon! it serves us good since they are comming for a cheap amount i guess!
i hope our engineers can upgrade them, ukarain and turkey can help us in this! also the checz are known for this job!!
i would love to see these Mi 17 flying as gunships when we require!

regards!
 
sir this is not the pic of the heliopter given to us by the US! they are of the round nose shape not of the pointed one.
i guess the pointed nose houses some radar or sensor for attack role but the PA helicopters do not posses it!

i hope the actual pictures wii appear soon and we can display them here!

regards!

If the pics of the actual helicopters transferred has not yet become available, how do you know which version the US is LEASING to Pakistan (i.e. pointed covered dolphin nose or open glass round nose)?

Also, why do you guess as to the content of the nose?


"At present, Kazan Helicopters serially produces three main modifications of the Mi-8 rotorcraft: Mi-17-1V, Mi-17-V5, and Mi-172.
The Mi-172 is a passenger version. It is intended for transportation of 26 passengers. Special VIP-versions for 7-11 passengers are also produced.
The Mi-17-V5 is a transport version. It is intended for cargo transportation inside the cabin and by the external sling. It can also be used for the transportation of 36 passengers.
The Mi-17-1V is a multipurpose helicopter. On the basis of this modification, various versions can be produced.
" Mi-17

Mi-172 (Mi-8MTV-3): As Mi-17M/17V, also from Kazan, but with equipment changes and planned for certification to FAR Pt 29 standards; TV3-117VM Srs 2 engines, giving maximum cruising speed of 218km/h and service ceiling of 6,000m; air conditioning and heating systems, main and tail rotor blade de-icing, canopy demisting and heating of engine air intakes standard; options include flotation gear, Doppler, weather radar, DME, GPS, VOR, ILS, transponder and VIP interiors for seven, nine and 11 passengers. Standard seating for up to 26 passengers. First exhibited at 1994 Singapore Air Show. Seven ordered by Mesco, India, Spring 1995.
Mil Mi-17 helicopter - development history, photos, technical data
OPTIONAL DOPPLER WEATHER RADAR

Mi-17-5V: Current Kazan-built production model with port side door enlarged from 0.83m to 1.25m; new 0.83m wide starboard sliding door; rear flat ramp with single hydraulic cylinder drive installed on helicopter floor and capable of being lowered to horizontal position in flight, permitting disembarkment of up to 36 troops in 15 seconds. Series production started in 1999. Military equivalent designated Mi-8MTV-5.
Mil Mi-17 helicopter - development history, photos, technical data
NO RADAR MENTIONED WHATSOEVER

Mi-17-1V: Export version of Mi-8MTV ('Hip-H') (Visotnyi: high altitude); TV3-117VM turboshafts for improved 'hot and high' performance, built by Kazan Helicopter Plant; optional armament, nose radar, flotation gear and firefighting equipment. Civil version designated Mi-8MTV-1, military Mi-8MTV-2; civil export version Mi-8MTV-GA (Grazhdanska Aviatsia).
Mil Mi-17 helicopter - development history, photos, technical data
OPTIONAL NOSE RADAR

Mi-8MTV ('Hip-H'): (V=visotnyi: high altitude); TV3-117VM turboshaft for improved 'hot and high' operation. Civil version built at Kazan is Mi-8MTV-1; Russian presidential aircraft with new Abvis navigation system is designated Mi-8MTV-1S; missile-armed, radar-equipped military version with six-hardpoint stub-wing is Mi-8MTV-2; export equivalent is Mi-17-1V, with optional armament, nose radar, flotation gear and firefighting equipment. Mi-8MTV-5 is military version with one-piece rear loading ramp: Ulan-Ude equivalent to Kazan Mi-17MD.
Long-range modification: AEFT (Auxiliary External Fuel Tanks) system by Aeroton adds a further 1,900 litres in two internal tanks, plus 2,850 litres in six tanks on the stores pylons of Mi-8MT, -AMT, -MTV-1, civil MTV and Mi-17 variants. Operational range with all eight auxiliary tanks is 1,300km; ferry range 1,850km.

Mil Mi-17 helicopter - development history, photos, technical data
OPTIONAL NOSE RADAR

> IF there is anything in the nose at all, it is a DOPPLER WEATHER RADAR and certainly not a radar used in the attack role.

(I'm not aware of any operational Russian radar guided missiles. The only missile I can think of that is radar guided is the 6km Khrizantema on the BMP-3 chassis. However, this is prototype only, not series production, none ordered by Russia or other nation yet. Thus, certainly not a likely find on a Mi-17 exported via US to Pakistan!!!)

(but, IIRC, someone already told you what was in the nose earlier on in the original thread on this topic)
 
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US delivers four MI-17 cargo helicopters to Pakistan
June 11th, 2009 - 1:08 pm ICT by ANI

Islamabad, June 11 (ANI): The United States has handed over four MI-17 cargo helicopters to the Pakistan Army to facilitate its counter-terrorism operation.

“On a request by the Government of Pakistan, the United States delivered four MI-17 cargo helicopters to the Pakistani Army,” US embassy spokesman Lou Finor said here.

Meanwhile, US Consulate personnel in Peshawar have been instructed to limit their movements until further notice.

The notice has been issued following the Pearl Continental bombing in Peshawar.

The United Nations (UN) has also cancelled its activities in Peshawar after Tuesday’s blast that killed 16 people, including some foreigners.

“The UN World Food Programme was working on the supply of food to the affected people of Malakand and Swat, and three employees of the programme were staying at the hotel at the time of the blast. All three had been killed,” said a UN spokesman.

Two employees, including a woman officer of the UNICEF and the UN refugee agency were also killed in the blast, The Daily Times reports. (ANI)
US delivers four MI-17 cargo helicopters to Pakistan

Thursday, June 11, 2009

US gives four cargo choppers to Pakistan

ISLAMABAD: The US on Wednesday delivered four MI-17 cargo helicopters to the Pakistan Army, to improve the country’s counter-terrorism capabilities. “On a request by the government of Pakistan, the United States delivered four MI-17 cargo helicopters to the Pakistani Army,” said US embassy spokesman Lou Finor. He said that the additional helicopters were meant to facilitate the ongoing army operations against the Taliban and efforts to settle internally displaced persons. “The US is in the process of identifying additional MI-17s that may be made available to Pakistan in the future,” said the spokesman.

sajjad malik
Daily Times - Leading News Resource of Pakistan
 
RELATED NEWS that may shed light on VERSION of Mi-17 and equipment fit:

Pentagon buys 22 Mi-17 helicopters from Russia for Iraq operations
1 Apr, 12:46 PM

Pentagon has signed a $80.6 million contract with Aeronautical Radio Incorporated to have 22 multi-purpose Mi-17ST helicopters purchased from Russia and equipped for US Army operations in Iraq, Itar Tass reported Tuesday.

The helicopters will be manufactured at the Russian Ulan-Ude helicopter plant. They will then be transported to the Robins Air Base in Georgia, US, and have additional equipment fitted. Each machine is to cost approximately $2.4 million.

The contract is to be fulfilled by September, 2010.

The Mi-17/171 helicopter is capable of carrying troops and cargo for air assault of infantry troops, special force team insertion and support to ground troops. The Mi-8 helicopters in the Russian army and many other countries have also often been used for conducting armed attacks and providing close air support with unguided rockets and machine guns. The Mi-17s can be fitted with external weapon pylons similar to those used by the Russian army. External stores are mounted on weapons racks on each side of the fuselage, with a total of six hardpoints.

In 2007-2008 Iraqi armed forces reportedly bought several batches of Mi-17.
Pentagon buys 22 Mi-17 helicopters from Russia for Iraq operations / MosNews.com

U.S. Army to supply Russian Mi-17CT helicopter to Iraqi Armed Forces
06:56 GMT, March 30, 2009 WASHINGTON | The Pentagon late Friday awarded an $80.6 million contract to Aeronautical Radio Incorporated (ARINC) of Annapolis, Md., to supervise the sale of 22 Russian-made MI-17CT military helicopters and helicopter avionics to the Iraqi armed forces.

Friday's contract to ARINC to supply the Russian-made MI-17 helicopters to the Iraqi military was reported by the U.S. Army in the Pentagon's Blue Tops contract announcements, yet the portion of the work in the U.S. will be done in Warner Robins, Ga. -- which is home to the U.S. Air Force's Warner Robins Air Logistics Center at Robins Air Force Base, Ga.

Awarding the contract was the Army's Program Executive Office for Simulation, Training, and Instrumentation in Orlando, Fla. The contract is to be completed by the end of August 2010. The contract number is W900KK-08-C-0011.

Other work for this contract will be in Dubai, United Arab Emirates, (20 precent), and Ulan Ude Russia, (65 precent). Ulan Ude, Russia, is home to the Mil Moscow Helicopter Plant, which is the designer and manufacturer of the MI-17 military helicopter -- an export version of the Russian's military's MI-8 combat helicopter.

A first batch of Russian Mi-17 Hip multi-purpose helicopters has been commissioned to the Iraqi army in summer 2007.

The Mi-17 is an improved version of the Mi-8 helicopter, also known as the Mi-8TMB. It is specifically designed for improved capabilities at high altitudes and in hot weather conditions.

Different versions of the MI-17 helicopter are designed specifically for high-altitude military operations and are in service in the mountains of Afghanistan
defence.professionals | defpro.com

Problems for U.S. Russian Helicopter Order

Jun 1, 2009

By Sharon Weinberger

The U.S. Army signed off on an unusual procurement contract in December 2007: A $322-million order for 22 Russian helicopters bought through a U.S. defense company for Iraq. The contract was a rush order, designed to deliver Mi-17 helicopters in a bid to quickly reequip the Iraqi air force and allow it to perform counterinsurgency operations. But 18 months after signing, not a single helicopter has been delivered, despite full payment. The Army now concedes the contract is over budget and nearly a year behind schedule.

Such are the perils of buying Russian equipment through the U.S. Foreign Military Sales (FMS) system, a unique requirement that is rapidly escalating into the billions of dollars for Iraq and Afghanistan.

Buying Mi-17s, and other Russian equipment, for the Iraqi military seems logical. The Iraqis flew and maintained Soviet (now Russian) aircraft in the Saddam Hussein era. Another important feature: Russian rotorcraft are significantly cheaper than U.S. helicopters, at least in theory.

The Mi-17 is the export designation for the Mi-8 airframe (NATO designation “Hip”), and after 40 years the aircraft still has brisk sales, with new orders from India, China, Pakistan and Colombia, among others. That has been good news for the factories that produce Mi-17s: Ulan Ude and Kazan. Just a few years ago, work at the plants had slowed to a crawl, but now even getting a slot in the production line can be a challenge.

The U.S. Defense Dept. dubs the aircraft destined for Iraq as counterterrorism helicopters. They are designed to insert and extract special forces “and provide limited air assault capability to clear and hold a landing zone, [and] provide self-protection . . . against insurgent small arms fire and SAM defenses.” The helicopters will have Western-style cockpits and modifications that include Flir Systems’ AN/AAQ-22 Star Safire electro-optical sensor and monitor; identification-friend-or-foe system with encryption; AN/AAR-60 Milds (missile-launch detection system) from EADS; and VHF/UHF/HF radios.

When the helicopter contract was awarded to Arinc of Annapolis, Md., a communications and engineering company, it was, by everyone’s admission, an unusual sale. While the Army has bought Russian helicopters in the past—and modified them with Western cockpits—it never bought anything in the quantity seen for the Iraqi FMS case.

In a controversial move, the Army’s Threat Systems Management Office in Huntsville, Ala., sole-sourced the contract to Arinc, rather than soliciting multiple bids. That raised questions about procurement cost. In 2001, the price of a newly refurbished Mi-17 was between $1.2 and 1.7 million, while a helicopter fresh off the production line went for around $3 million. The cost has since more than doubled, with vendors quoting new Mi-17s at around $7.5 million. But the Mi-17s for Iraq are sold for more than twice that price—between $13 and $16 million per helicopter (cost varies depending on the batch and whether spare parts and other equipment are included).

Part of what drove up costs is the unusual way the contract was structured: Although Arinc is the prime contractor, it’s working essentially as an arms broker. And rather than buying the aircraft from the factory, Arinc has a contract with Air Freight Aviation, a Russian company based in the United Arab Emirates. Air Freight Aviation buys the helicopters from the Mi-17 plant at Ulan Ude and modifies them at its UAE facility.

This arrangement has led to cost overruns and delays. The helicopters were supposed to be delivered starting in February, but the Defense Dept. concedes that the date for first delivery has slipped to 2010, and the contract is between 5 and 10% over the original $322-million budget. Officials insist, however, that the plan is to catch up with deliveries, completing the full contract on schedule. As of now, however, none of the helicopters has left Ulan Ude.

Army officials defend the sale, arguing that the urgency of the requirement and the uniqueness of buying Russian equipment necessitated going with Arinc as a sole source. Arinc, despite its lack of experience buying Mi-17s, was selected as the contractor because the company was already in Iraq performing maintenance work on the nascent Iraqi air force’s skeleton fleet, which included older Mi-17s and Bell helicopters. Arinc also claimed to Army officials it had an exclusive relationship with the Mil helicopter plant—the design bureau. (Iraq’s Mi-17 requirement was, however, known for several years before the contract was signed, and there are over half a dozen U.S. companies with experience buying Russian helicopters and parts for the U.S. government.)

To some extent, the Mi-17s illustrate the problems that have plagued weapon sales to Iraq. Since the FMS process started with Iraq in 2005, approximately $4.5 billion has been spent, but less clear is how much of that equipment has been delivered. Going through FMS—rather than direct commercial sales—was meant to avoid the mistakes and corruption that plague direct sales. In one now-infamous case, Iraq entered into a contract to buy Mi-17s from a Polish company—most of the helicopters ended up being too old or in no condition to fly.

The FMS process is meant to protect Iraq from these problems, says U.S. Air Force Col. Lawrence Avery, deputy director of the security assistance office in the Multinational Security Transition Command-Iraq. “[They] view FMS as the anticorruption mechanism for their government, because nobody can get their hands on the money, nobody decides who the contracts go to,” he told reporters in a recent conference call. “That’s all done through the U.S. acquisition system.”

But officials in Baghdad cite delays and confusion about the FMS process. The sales become even more convoluted when they involve a U.S. procurement process cross-matched with Russian weapons. In one particularly frustrating case, the Iraqis initiated—then canceled—a large order for BTR-3E1 armored personnel carriers that were to be bought from Ukraine through FMS.

Defense Dept. officials concede that they made mistakes in the Mi-17 case for Iraq, but defend the overall process. While U.S. officials downplay the Russian FMS cases—noting they are the exception, not the rule—the truth is that these sales could prove more common over the next few years as attention moves to Afghanistan. The Pentagon has already approved a “pseudo-FMS” case for the purchase of 10 helicopters for Afghanistan for $177.5 million. That contract also went to Arinc.

While FMS may guard against outright corruption, it has not done much in the case of the Mi-17s to prevent delays, or even guarantee reasonable costs. If there’s a lesson from the Iraqi helicopter case, it may be that the U.S. acquisition system is a poor conduit for Russian weaponry.

“FMS works best when you buy and use what the U.S. military is buying and using, because if we give you a price on that, we’re probably pretty good about it,” says Avery. “If we’re buying equipment from countries and companies that we’ve never worked with, every problem that we run into is a new problem.”

Problems for U.S. Russian Helicopter Order | AVIATION WEEK
 
Pentagon: US Sends Helicopters to Pakistani Military

WASHINGTON, June 11, 2009 -- The United States delivered four Mi-17 cargo helicopters to the Pakistani army yesterday to support Pakistan’s counterinsurgency as well as humanitarian efforts, officials at the U.S. Embassy in Islamabad announced.

The helicopters, delivered at the request of the Pakistani government, will increase capabilities in current operations against militant extremists, officials said. They’ll also support efforts to care for thousands of Pakistanis displaced from their homes by the fighting.

The United States is in the process of identifying additional Mi-17s that may be made available to Pakistan in the future, officials said. The U.S. military has several of the Russian-built medium-weight, single-rotor helicopters in its inventory, primarily for training purposes, Pentagon spokesman Bryan Whitman told reporters today.

Whitman called the helicopter delivery an example of the support the United States is ready to provide the Pakistanis, as requested. “We stand ready to help Pakistan in any way we can to fight the internal threat that exists there,” he said.

Army Gen. David H. Petraeus, commander of U.S. Central Command, said today he’s “very proud” of indirect support the United States has been able to provide Pakistan, including training assistance as well as the helicopter delivery.

Petraeus praised the speed in which the delivery was made. “Within two or three weeks of [the] request from them for helicopter support, we wheeled four Mi-17s just refurbished out of the back of a Colt [military aircraft] yesterday,” he said.

Meanwhile, the United States is exploring other, longer-term means of supporting Pakistan, including the Pakistani Counterinsurgency Capabilities Fund, Whitman said. The Defense Department has requested $700 million for the fund as part of the fiscal 2010 budget.

Defense Secretary Robert M. Gates supports the program, which he told Congress will complement State Department efforts already under way or being planned, while enabling U.S. Central Command to help Pakistan increase its counterinsurgency capabilities.

Gates called these efforts “a vital element of the president’s new Afghanistan-Pakistan strategy.”

(Report by Donna Miles, American Forces Press Service.)
THE TENSION

United States Provides MI-17 Cargo Helicopters To Pakistan Military

June 10, 2009

Islamabad - In response to a request from the government of Pakistan, the United States delivered four MI-17 cargo helicopters to the Pakistani Army today.

The additional helicopters are meant to enhance Pakistan's capabilities in current operations against militant extremists, and its efforts to care for hundreds of thousands of Pakistanis who have been displaced from their homes by the fighting. The U.S. is in the process of identifying additional MI-17s that may be made available to Pakistan in the future.

On May 28, U.S. Ambassador Patterson to Pakistan announced a $26.6 million award to the UN's World Food Program funding urgent humanitarian relief efforts. May 19, U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton committed $110 million in immediate humanitarian assistance to assist IDPs. This includes approximately $28 million in agricultural commodities including 50,000 metric tons of wheat valued at $16.8 million and 6,800 metric tons of vegetable oil valued at $11.2 million. The U.S. has also provided $4.9 million to purchase tents, blankets, cooking sets, jerry cans, soap, and bedding. Americans also provided logistical equipment including generators and transformers to power water pumps, laptop computers, and rental cars to assist in emergency support operations.

Since 2002, the United States has provided nearly $3.4 billion to Pakistan to improve economic growth, education, health, and governance and to assist with earthquake reconstruction.
http://islamabad.usembassy.gov/pr-09061001.html

Both posts feature the pic below. Caption: "U.S. and Pakistani military members work with contractors to offload an Mi-17 helicopter from a cargo aircraft at Chaklala Air Base, Pakistan, June 10, 2009."
 
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agian my friend, it is not the pic of the chopper deleivered to us last day! still the pics of the chopper being unloaded from a cargo plane are nowhere on the net although the news channels are showing it!
anyway thanks for your response, i was expecting the actual pics from you as you have proved to be good in doing this and comming with new news stuff all the time! i hope it will be you who break the news by posting the pics!
regards!

Sorry, I couldn't find the pics on the net. Will post if I find them.

In the mean time, the picture posted by pengiun and a similar helicopter being off-loaded might help reconstruct how this might look like.

Mi-17 being delivered to Islamabad by US on June 10.
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A similar picture of a helicopter being off-loaded from a transport airplane
 
Mi-17 being delivered to Islamabad by US on June 10.
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A similar picture of a helicopter being off-loaded from a transport airplane

The bird does not come with armour plating, nose weather radar (no flying navigation in obscure weather), no engine exhaust heat suppressors, an important thing i van see is that there are no hard point/mounting brackets/lugs visible on the side fuseladge.
This means weapon carryong stub wing cannot be installed.

In this thread or some other thread it was discussed that MI-17 can easilly be switched to assault/attack version and between transport version, as Indians do it like that.
I would say, it can be done with those birds, which have mounting lugs/brakets provide, one
secondly, aircarft must be electrically wired for carrying armament. means all LRUs related to weaponry are provided, bird is modified to carry all weapon related LRUs.
These LRU may include, Fire Control computers, electronic signal processors, power supplies, HUD/optical/reflex sights for weapon aiming and targetting. Bird must have mounting points/space provided in the fuseladge. If the user decide to switch from assault/attack version to transport version, he simply removes these LRUs, stub wings. to make the aircarft lighter (increasing payload, when operating in hot/high altitude enviroment).

The second picture is of MI-35 Hind offloaded.
 
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