Pakistan Reacts on Israel Foreign Minister Statement

[MastanKhan]

Pakistan is not important in the world stage

Saudi is really leading the agenda here and they have said Palestinian issues first needs to be resolved

US cares nothing about Pakistan neither does Israel

I mean what will Israel gain, Israel couldn't give two hoots about Pakistan they have India

Hi,

1. Ask Ukraine---

2.Only if I could tell you---.

 

[Hulk]

I agree with Israel. There should be no Palestine. All their land should be given to Israel.

 

[Menace2Society]

No it shouldn't

The Palestinians and the Israelis should look for a peaceful solution between the two of them, and Pakistan should not get involved militarily, it has its own issues to deal with in its backyard and internally that require its full focus and effort

This should have been the position from the beginning and now after decades of hostility its just become awkward. Pakistani deep state are retarded uncles with a long list of mistakes.

I don't understand we have such intelligent, level headed people in our civilization but the ones in charge are either low IQ, myopic radicalized dross. Where is the 100 year plan? Why does Pakistan take such strong stances in places that is none of their business? This deep state is foolish and incompetent.

 

[Finer]

The bitter truth is that Pakistan is a backward and illiterate country. At least for the most part. It has been kept that way by its elites. That is why Pakistani auqaat is so low.

That is how it starts. All the great conquering started with backward and illiterate people. It is due to them that makes way for the future generations to develop and refine the civilizations to improve and better worlds.

Greater Pakistan will conquer India, Israel and anything that crosses Pakistan, In Shaa ALLAAH. Call it Prophecy and it is not first time that happened and it won't be last, Alhamdulillah.

 

[PaklovesTurkiye]

Hi,

1. Ask Ukraine---

2.Only if I could tell you---.

Please elaborate both points

 

[_killuminati_]

GHQ won't recognize Israel, even under pressure from US, for two reasons:

1. The public is too conservative and anti-Israel; specifically, the religious classes who've previously taken up arms against the government.
2. It reduces the legitimacy of the Kashmir struggle that GHQ often uses for it's own benefit in domestic affairs.

Whoever compared this idea to the removal of IK should be aware that removing Imran from power did not have any potential to unsettle any religious elements which is what will ensue with the recognition of Israel. It's a poor comparison.

 

[Sayfullah]

Setting religion and emotions aside, can someone explain to me what benefit Pakistan will gain out of recognizing Israel vs what it will cost Pakistan to recognize Israel?

The arguments people usually use:

Argument: Pakistanis can finally visit Al Aqsa
Explanation: Majority of Pakistanis struggle to save up for Ummrah and Hajj as is. Current statistics show a sharp decline in Pakistanis using government facilities to do Hajj. Even middle class will find it hard to afford a visit to Al Aqsa and rich are rich enough to have other ways to visit it. Also, that’s even considering Israel will offer a special pilgrimage visa option to Pakistanis to visit Al Aqsa. Reality is it’ll be extremely difficult for an average Pakistani to get an Israeli visa even if Pakistan recognized israel. Furthermore, this doesn’t require Pakistan to recognize Israel. Pakistan can facilitate Pakistanis visiting Al Aqsa without the need if recognizing israel.

Argument: Israel will help us with agricultural tech.
Explanation: Undoubtedly israel has probably the best agricultural tech in the world. But what’s the benefit to Pakistan when its agricultural output isn’t even up to Chinese or American standards? Chinese and American agricultural tech was always available. Even if the tech from Israel was available, is the problem of our agriculture really that we aren’t using Israeli tech? The issues Pakistani farmers face is water management and using way way outdated equipment. Pakistan barely has any water storage facilities built or the national level or plans to deal and contain floods at national level so a few shiny new tractors won’t solve this. Pakistani framers still using flood irrigation while the whole world has moved on to drip irrigation. Chinese manufacturers produce the cheapest drop irrigation systems. So why doesn’t Pakistan government fund farmers to switch over to it? Advanced farming equipment was always available from China but Pakistan never facilitated farmers to switch over to it or set up such equipment manufacturing in Pakistan. So what will change now? How will Pakistan take advantage of Israel’s farming tech when it hasn’t even taken advantage of China, Europe or America’s tech?

Argument: New markets will open up to Pakistan
Explanation: European, American, African, Asian, Gulf all markets are currently open to Pakistan. Chinas market is open to Pakistan. How will Israel, which has a fraction of the purchasing power of the other giant markets, do Pakistan any good when it hasn’t even been able to take advantage of much larger market closer to it. Up until recently our pink salt was sold as Indian cuz we didn’t GI tag it. The only reason our basmati got GI tagged was because indian wanted to GI tag basmati as theirs. Our mangos aren’t GI tagged. Up until recently Pakistan couldn’t export halal meat to gulf countries because of regulation issues and our meat is only being exported to Jordan in the gulf as far as I know. Despite having such good food products the government’s incompetence causes exporters issues. For our Textiles the biggest market will remain the west. But even that we’re losing it. Because our electricity and gas issues also government policies, Pakistan is losing its textiles market share around the world. Pakistans IT exports aren’t attractive because of government restrictions on dollar and PayPal not being in Pakistan. None of these core issues will change with recognizing Israel.

Argument: Pakistan will get advanced Israeli military tech
Explanation: Pakistan will never get any big ticket weapon system from Israel. Indians won’t allow it and India is a bigger and more important ally to Israel than whatever Pakistan will ever be. Any other system can be acquired from Israel regardless of relations just how Pakistan already has acquired many defence products from Israel. You think israel will sell you iron dome lool? Have fun trying. At present even long term suppliers of military equipment are hesitant to supply Pakistan. The only place for Pakistan to build its defence industry is Turkey. Israel won’t do JV’s with you in defence sector. They’re doing those with Indians.

Argument: Pakistan will get money
Explanation: How much money? Peanuts like IMF gives? Pakistan’s already drowned in debt. Pakistan has tens of billions in interest payments alone it has to pay back soon. No money is free. Even if west have Pakistan billions for free, how will it help Pakistan when most will be used just to pay the interest on loans because Pakistan doesn’t generate enough money to pay off original loans. Also, Pakistan wouldn’t be in such situation if corrupts didn’t use the money they got through loans or aid to build property abroad. Pakistans biggest issue is corruption. Give it $50 billion for free and it’ll still be economic ventilator while elite build more mansions in Europe.

Argument: Pakistan will gain an ally on the international level
Explanation: Aren’t Pakistans current allies enough? How is its relations with many of its long time allies? It’s struggling to maintain close ties to its already existing allies so how’ll Israel benefit it in any way? China, Russia, Gulf, Europe, Malaysia, Indonesia how’s relations with them going? Pakistans blunders have caused it much harm in its relations with the Gulf and China, who were regarded as Pakistan closest allies. Even if Pakistan has warm relations with Israel it’ll die out in a few years if we look at Pakistan history. Pakistan heavily support Algeria and Indonesia in their independence and basically built up who Gulf’s military. But how’s the relations with these countries now? Pakistan can’t maintain relations so israel being a strong ally is just a dream. And Israel’s number 1 ally in the region will remain india so it’ll always support Indians no matter what.

The consequences of recognizing Israel:

Pakistan will lose all moral ground when it comes to the whole of Jammu and Kashmir. Pakistan’s claim on IOJK will be contradicted by its stance on Israel. Furthermore, Pakistan will be in a position to lose AJK. Separatist sentiment has already been on the rise in AJK with the religious groups in AJK mostly being pro pak. Recognizing Israel will give them a chance to unite with AJK nationalists to call for independence from Pakistan.

Rise in groups similar to TTP and ISKP/ISPP and support for them.
Since the start of the battle against such groups Pakistan has ignored the ideological aspect. They attack Pakistan through the lens of religion but Pakistan replies with secularism. The little support from religious sections it had was because labelling those groups as Khawarij. But if Pakistan recognizes Israel then it’ll lose the little religious support it has from religious sections in this war. We’ve already seen a massive resurgence of TTP and reportedly groups like Lashkar e Islam are having massive resurrections in Afghanistan as we speak. ISKP/ISPP was already heavily spreading its propaganda in Pakistan and recruiting. This will also help them with that. If you thought post 9/11 was bad, if Pakistan recognizes Israel those times will seem peaceful to you. Furthermore, it’ll give more legitimacy to Afghan Taliban inside Pakistans border areas which leads to my third point.

Separatism in Tribal areas and KPK in general will be on the rise.
Recognizing Israel will be the nail in the coffin. Already after IK’s ouster and arrest we’ve seen a sharp spike in the separatist/pan-afghan sentiment in KPK. You’ve already had secular groups like PTM etc who were anti pak. You have TTP which fights against Pakistan. Afghanistan already claims a lot of Pakistans areas but many people in the areas preferred Pakistan over Afghanistan. However, recognizing Israel will make these areas pro Afghanistan or pro separatism as a whole because a lot of religious conservative people live in these areas too.

Now my question is, is it really worth all that just to recognize Israel which brings absolutely no benefit to Pakistan?
The only reason Pakistan is being pressured to recognize Israel right now is because Saudis and other Muslim countries want a country like Pakistan to also recognize Israel so they have an excuse. Israel only wants Muslim countries to recognize it purely for optics.

I wouldn't be taken back of this happens. They've given up on the LOC trying to defend actual Pakistanis and now keep everyone under their boots and guns. This next step won't be a big surprise to anyone.

Pakistan should break diplomatic relations with every country that recognizes a heretic state like Israel. It’s disheartening to see that a sensible, intellectual, honest and loan giver country like China recognizes Israel without taking Pakistan’s genuine and moral concerns into considerations.

Useless gesture , when Pakistan can't hold election in own country has no moral authority to say anything against Israeli or Israel Nation

Time to look at our own self, and at our own Military with Questionable Human Rights issues


Issue #1 : As Muslims we should be allowed to visit Aqsa (every Muslim wishes)

Issue #2 : There has to be benefits from Muslims visiting Aqsa to Palestinian people
It helps their economy and indirect normalization with Israel

Issue#3 A Solution to issue of land / Statehood between Israel / Palestine


These are the big points which need solution


Now Pakistan , as a Nation is run by "Rouge Army / Police / Mafia"
If this Army /Setup can't respect will of Pakistani People and choose our own Leader
Then how can they claim they are champions for Palestine


1- Pakistan has no Democracy , it is a Mock Setup run by Army , who get all perks

2- Law system is broken , Justice can't be attained we are seeing it with Imran Khan

3- Inflation is killing poor people



Facts :

• In USA Jews/Muslims live side by side (Fact)
• In Past Islamic Civilization , Jews lived and were given protection by Muslims (Fact)
• Many hospitals in West it is Jewish run hospitals treating Muslim Patients , there is good and bad side of coin

I think as Pakistani People , our focus need to be

1- Fix our Army​

2- Fix the Justice System​

3- Allow Honest man like Imran Khan to come to power​

4- Tackle Rising Inflation and Poverty​

That was Lollypop given Bhutto and Zia.

Bhutto want to get influence in muslim world, for this reason Egypt ruler said "Islam was born in 1947".

Zia also dragged religion in every where including politics just to rule more and take advantage of cold war.

Two countries were born, Israel for Jews (not for Judaism), Pakistan for Muslims (not for Islam).
That mean countries were created just for freedom in their religions.

Israel at least is Secular, even Jews have influence but still secular.

Pakistan was little bit secular as Jinnah was secular, he had Hindu Dalit and Shia, Mirzaye/Qadiyanis in his govt, later country was hijacked and country still unable to get out of zia`s monster idiology.

No it shouldn't

The Palestinians and the Israelis should look for a peaceful solution between the two of them, and Pakistan should not get involved militarily, it has its own issues to deal with in its backyard and internally that require its full focus and effort

Palestenians are busy giving medals to modi and some Pakistanis are making fools of themselves simping over Palestines

Fact is it is not our problem if Arabs are too incompetent to defeat a tiny Israel, and especially if said Arabs are busy supporting Modi who is genociding Pakistani people in Kashmir.

Hi,

One of the worst posts ever in this forum's history


Hi,

Once the united nations accepted Israel in 1948---all bets were off.

The legitimacy that the west gave to Israel---could not be taken away after that.

Pakistan made a huge blunder of not recognizing Israel at that time. A useless animosity.

Pakistan is not important in the world stage

Saudi is really leading the agenda here and they have said Palestinian issues first needs to be resolved

US cares nothing about Pakistan neither does Israel

I mean what will Israel gain, Israel couldn't give two hoots about Pakistan they have India

could be referring to other GCC nations, but I don't see the reason not to recognize Israel if that brings Pakistan some prosperity and Stability, but question is why is our auqaat so low that we have to follow what KSA do? why can't we make our own decisions ? Should've cut a deal with US/EU/Israel long time ago, but thanks to crazy Mullah's if that happens they will kill innocent Pakistani's for it.

This should have been the position from the beginning and now after decades of hostility its just become awkward. Pakistani deep state are retarded uncles with a long list of mistakes.

I don't understand we have such intelligent, level headed people in our civilization but the ones in charge are either low IQ, myopic radicalized dross. Where is the 100 year plan? Why does Pakistan take such strong stances in places that is none of their business? This deep state is foolish and incompetent.

GHQ won't recognize Israel, even under pressure from US, for two reasons:

1. The public is too conservative and anti-Israel; specifically, the religious classes who've previously taken up arms against the government.
2. It reduces the legitimacy of the Kashmir struggle that GHQ often uses for it's own benefit in domestic affairs.

Whoever compared this idea to the removal of IK should be aware that removing Imran from power did not have any potential to unsettle any religious elements which is what will ensue with the recognition of Israel. It's a poor comparison.

 

[Haldorss]

Pakistani generals are going to accept Israel. If the Saudis accept Israel many other nations will follow.

That's weak. There's many legitimate reasons to object. Other countries only did it because of implied duress and not having academic level intelligence to formulate a proper objection. China is able to deal with all countries recognizing taiwan.

Liberals and progressives can also object. Look at how neocon they are currently in Nato. There are no restrictions on being against it.

What you're looking at is elite greed. Being bought out by Anglos. I've made a thread with another addition to prove there's many avenues to be against it on.

If the Generals do such a thing they are acting like natives who keep making concessions until their genocide, as happened in north America. Elon is currently going around Asia peddling western inventions to Thailand for example, just like Anglosaxons did in the 19th century in China. It's cringeworthy to see the same behavior from asian leaders now.

 

[Hero786]

Pakistan should provide city insurgency training and resources to Palestinians. Create conditions so that Israel is engaged in long term guerilla war in Lebanon and Syria so that its resources are dwindled.

Indian id detected

 

[Haldorss]

Indian id detected

Israeli puppet detected

 

[nahtanbob]

Hi,

1. Ask Ukraine---

2.Only if I could tell you---.

I have repeatedly asked this question. Ukraine has received $125 billion in weapons. How much of those weapons are from Pakistan ?

Setting religion and emotions aside, can someone explain to me what benefit Pakistan will gain out of recognizing Israel vs what it will cost Pakistan to recognize Israel?

What have you gained supporting Palestine against Israel, Turkey against Greece, Azerbaijan against Armenia ?

 

[Mentee]

Pakistan should develop diplomatic ties with Israel asap to be in a better position for extracting favours wrt Palestine.

 

[R2D2]

Indian id detected

Yours? Indian or American?

 

[MastanKhan]

I have repeatedly asked this question. Ukraine has received $125 billion in weapons. How much of those weapons are from Pakistan ?


What have you gained supporting Palestine against Israel, Turkey against Greece, Azerbaijan against Armenia ?

Hi,

Let us say---a substantial amount---not as expensive----extremely functional---and extremely important in its utility---.

 

[Muji.Iqbal]

I wouldn't be taken back of this happens. They've given up on the LOC trying to defend actual Pakistanis and now keep everyone under their boots and guns. This next step won't be a big surprise to anyone.

You have raised an interesting situation.

Although I am completely against this, but if Pakistan accepts LOC as the international border between Pakistan and India, Pakistan can still survive as a country. We still have a border with the Chinese. We still have Gilgit-Baltistan and Azad Kashmir under our control.
Pakistan will still survive.

@waz
@LeGenD

See the map:

The bitter truth is that Pakistan is a backward and illiterate country. At least for the most part. It has been kept that way by its elites. That is why Pakistani auqaat is so low.

If Saudi Arabia recognizes Israel, thats a huge diplomatic victory for Israel, then all the other Muslim countries would follow in.