'Pakistan provided US info about Osama whereabouts

[BHarwana]

In reply, the foreign secretary said: “We reject the insinuations about OBL, and want to remind the US that it was Pakistan’s intelligence cooperation that provided the initial evidence to trace the whereabouts of OBL.”

Please read these words in statement carefully and move on.

 

[HalfMoon]

On one hand you hear news of OBL episode being a drama to give a face saver for the US exit from Afghanistan and then you read news like this. If OBL episode was indeed true, Pakistan should have taken the lead and claim the credit rather than outsourcing it the US. Now why was the doctor who helped the US been jailed. More questions than answers.

 

[pakdefender]

That would not have led to the raid of OBL. As Gen. Musharraf put it poor performance by intelligence agencies are probable; let Inter Services sleep for once... CIA was sleeping when several people were being trained in the US, when four aircraft were hijacked from four different airfields, where was the CIA? Were they asleep?

Intelligence is a weird business, people never know what you achieved but know what you didn't achieve. Sadly we failed the biggest test.


The world doesn't care. Once the watermark is printed, it's printed forever.

My outside channel information is that the air defence did pick up the helis coming , information was about the helis was passed up the chain and no orders came back about what to do , the chain of command didn't get back to the operators so naturally some questions need to answered.

 

[Buddhistforlife]

'Pakistan provided US info about Osama whereabouts'

ISLAMABAD: Admitting that it had played a role in helping the United States locate and kill bin Laden in 2011, the Foreign Office on Tuesday said that it was Pakistan’s intelligence cooperation that provided the initial evidence to trace the whereabouts of Osama bin Laden.

Foreign Secretary Tehmina Janjua summoned the US Chargé d’Affaires Paul Jones to the Foreign Office on Tuesday and registered a strong protest on “unwarranted and unsubstantiated” allegations made against Pakistan by President Trump, which could seriously undermine vital cooperation between the two countries.

“Conveying her government’s disappointment on the recent tweets and comments by the US president, the US CdA was told that such baseless rhetoric about Pakistan was totally unacceptable,” the office of the foreign secretary said in a statement.

On Monday, President Trump told the Fox News the reasons for ending over a billion dollar annual aid for Pakistan was because the country didn’t do “a damn thing for us”.He also mentioned the stay of Osama bin Laden (OBL) in Pakistan before he was killed by the US forces.

In reply, the foreign secretary said: “We reject the insinuations about OBL, and want to remind the US that it was Pakistan’s intelligence cooperation that provided the initial evidence to trace the whereabouts of OBL.”

She added that no other country had paid a heavier price than Pakistan in the fight against terrorism.

“The US leadership had acknowledged on multiple occasions that Pakistan’s cooperation had helped in decimating the core al-Qaeda leadership and eradicating the threat of terrorism from the region. The US must not forget that scores of top AQ leaders were killed or captured by active Pakistani cooperation,” Ambassador Paul Jones was told.

Pakistan’s continued support to the efforts of international community in Afghanistan through ground, air and sea lines of communication was unquestionably critical to the success of the mission in Afghanistan.

“In the wake of recent US pronouncements to seek political settlement in Afghanistan, Pakistan and the US were working in close coordination with other regional stakeholders in order to end the prolonged conflict. At this critical juncture, baseless allegations about a closed chapter of history could seriously undermine this vital cooperation,” the secretary added.

Meanwhile, senior officials of the United States approached Islamabad to defuse the tensions, well-informed sources told a private TV channel.While praising Pakistan’s unrivaled sacrifices in the anti-terror campaign, the officials informed their Pakistani counterparts that Washington would require Islamabad’s additional assistance in the future too.

The US officials — in their written reply — promised “to inform President Trump about sacrifices rendered by Pakistan”.The officials also stated that the US would continue to engage with Islamabad on diplomatic channels.

Earlier, the Pentagon on Monday said that Pakistan remains a critical partner to the United States’ South Asia strategy.US Director of Defence Press Operations Colonel Robert Manning, speaking to reporters during an off-camera news conference, asserted that Pakistan “remains a critical partner” to America’s South Asia strategy.

“The US and Pakistan have strong mutual interests in the region. As you know, they are critical (and) vital to the South Asia strategy and including the facilitation of a peace process that would lead to a stable and peaceful Afghanistan,” Colonel Manning said.

Responding to a question about the recent series of tweets by President Trump, he said, “They [Pakistan] remain a critical partner in our South Asia strategy and there’s been no change to our military-to-military relationship with Pakistan.”

When told his answers differ with the views of the US president, Colonel Manning added, “I do not have any announcement on any change to the military-to-military relationship we have with Pakistan.”

I believe Usama Bin Laden was sheltered in Pakistan. But i dont think the Pakistan army as a whole would do such thing. Its possibly the radical Islamist parties who sheltered Usama in abbottabad along with some defected officials of the Pakistan army.

 

[xyxmt]

Pakistan was fooled by US big big big time.
Pakistani generals thought they will get in the good books of US by telling them where he is and stage a raid to capture him but US is US and they are using this to blackmail us.
now people will ask why Pakistan did not catch him herself...answer is Saudia Arabia!!

This is a lesson in the foreign Affair management and should have a complete chapter.

 

[LeGenD]

My outside channel information is that the air defence did pick up the helis coming , information was about the helis was passed up the chain and no orders came back about what to do , the chain of command didn't get back to the operators so naturally some questions need to answered.

This is FALSE.

No radar system in our inventory was able to figure out what type of objects were in motion during the course of raid because those helicopters were producing unfamiliar noise patterns.

 

[SQ8]

This is FALSE.

No radar system in our inventory was able to figure out what type of objects were in motion during the course of raid because those helicopters were producing unfamiliar noise patterns.

The helis that were picked up were the support ones that established a refuelling FARP, which started the scramble of jets but by that time the abbotabad op was also in motion and the governments were speaking.

 

[LeGenD]

The helis that were picked up were the support ones that established a refuelling FARP, which started the scramble of jets but by that time the abbotabad op was also in motion and the governments were speaking.

What I know is that additional number of aerial assets were involved in the raid including a stealthy RQ-170 derivative which was hovering over the suspect compound in Abbottabad, providing live feed to POTUS in White House. However, almost every military official pointed out to the relevant commission that no radar system indicated unusual activity during the course of raid (EW suspected).

I recall PAF scrambling two F-16 jets to search for unusual activity on their own; this could be due to the factor pointed out by you - PAF might have received early warning in relation to activity of the two (support) helicopters. However, the raid was over by this time, and every suspect helicopter was on the verge of crossing the border or already had (the relevant commission also drew this conclusion). I believe that additional aerial assets had left even earlier otherwise F-16 jets might have run into something.

Well, none of this is our fault - asymmetry in the defenses of US and Pakistan is not up for debate. They could do the same to India, if it was in our shoes.

 

[HalfMoon]

I believe Usama Bin Laden was sheltered in Pakistan. But i dont think the Pakistan army as a whole would do such thing. Its possibly the radical Islamist parties who sheltered Usama in abbottabad along with some defected officials of the Pakistan army.

This could be the possible reason why Pakistan outsourced taking out OBL to the US instead of they carrying out the raid. Now the wrath of the radicals would be against the US instead of the Pakistani establishment.

 

[hassan zohaib]

There are many sides to the story. Seymour Hersh says that Pakistan knew the whereabouts of OBL on the other hand official report says we had no idea, which goes hand in hand with what Gen. Musharraf said.

There is another report that says USA & Pakistan decided to conduct a joint-raid at the property however Obama ordered Delta force to raid the property with out Pakistan's assistance. Pick your story, they are as bad as each other. This raid, if anything established that Pakistan was guilty in the Western mind.


That's the story. Someone should have been held accountable in Pakistan. Gen. Kayani, DG ISI & MI and other senior officials (government and military) that had any info.

Unfortunate it is that nobody was held accountable, infact it was the 2nd slap on us in our history after 71 n as it went always v lived in Oblivion.

 

[War Thunder]

Should have caught him ourselves. Either we were incompetent or we didn’t act in national interest.

Now we will live our whole lives with the stamp that he was caught by America in Pakistan.

He was dead long before that or do you think they won't show his body around as the trophy to win praise for Obama?
The only thing that went wrong was they were allowed to carry out this drama and Gen. Kiyani sat and watched like a sell out idiot he was.

 

[ghazi52]

 

[The Diplomat]

He was dead long before that or do you think they won't show his body around as the trophy to win praise for Obama?
The only thing that went wrong was they were allowed to carry out this drama and Gen. Kiyani sat and watched like a sell out idiot he was.

That’s you saying that, unless any evidence is released saying that he was dead before the raid then it’s just a conspiracy theory. If Inter Services had any info then it would have been released to clear our names of any wrong doing.

We should face reality that we failed our national security obligation, let this be a case study to learn from.

 

[JohnWick]

That’s you saying that, unless any evidence is released saying that he was dead before the raid then it’s just a conspiracy theory. If Inter Services had any info then it would have been released to clear our names of any wrong doing.

We should face reality that we failed our national security obligation, let this be a case study to learn from.

What if we know that they are in there what can we do against 5 F-15 strike eagke scrambled to counter our PAF

 

[Corona]

Well, I can raise another point. Leaving asides Pakistan. OBL was a American issue. 5,000 Americans dead. WOT. Trillion spent. Surely America would have investigated to establish if Pakistan was guilty. If it did. It either was -

• 1. established by USA Pakistan was not guilty
• 2. established by USA Pakistan was guilty
• 3. failed to establidsh either

Since implicitly USA accepted Number 1 we can delete 2 and 3. Or it did so knowing it was either 2 or 3 in which case USA is guilty of having failed the American people. You need to toast your own government.

You don't always have to resolve your grieviences at the end of a spear.

In Pakistan's case, I'd warrant a big fat

• 4. Some elements in Pakistan knew and were involved. Some didn't.

Americans could lead another war in Pakistan for the actions of a few or let global perceptions do the damage for Pakistan. In true American fashion, I'd say they went the cost effective way.