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A drowning man catches at a straw!!!! However, these time these are anacondas looking like straws - CPC, Kremlin, OBOR, the Family etc.....
Pakistan preparing 'detailed response' to Trump’s allegations, says official
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and that company DENEL owned by an Indian bania (Gupta)
http://www.indianspice.co.za/2016/09/guptas-to-benefit-from-sa-defense-deal-with-modi-govt/
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India can keep investing in Afghanistan along with US. Taliban will find ways to blow up those investments. When you say investment, you know what you're investing for. It isn't going to give any results. Hence, investment will be blown up like a balloon
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USA wants to leave Afghanistan without a Taliban regime in place. It has nothing to do with India.
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Actually, the Samson Option exists for North Korea, Israel, and Pakistan and all them will use if they really perceive utter destruction. Hopefully, it will never come to that.
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It can, of course, expel to the last single Afgan from Pak, totally close the border (not even a pigeon is allowed to move in/out), mine the border with shoot-at-sight order, close all air passages, no nothing
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Man shut the f.ck up with your sayings, stick your sayings up yours....
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Gorelim Mevla neyler
Neylerse guzel eyler
Let's see what Mevla has in store for us
Whatever HE does, HE renders it beautiful
Russia-China-Pakistan initiative: Afghanistan`s last hope
The Moscow led initiative enjoys greater confidence and appeal among the stakeholders, including Afghanistan
April 13, 2017, 2:00 pm
General Saad Khattak
As the Russia China Pakistan led initiative on Afghanistan takes off tomorrow at Moscow with its third session, the war in Afghanistan is well in its 16th year, with hardly any visible optimism about the fate of this unfortunate country. The most mighty military organization on the surface of earth led by the sole super power equipped to the teeth with the most sophisticated armory that one can fathom looks humbled against the most poorly armed outfit, but exceptionally motivated and determined struggling to contest their country`s occupation.
Post 9/11 US led NATO's occupation while Al-Qaeda almost reduced to non-existence, the US raison d`etre of staying in Afghanistan stands on a morally weak pedestal. The Afghan Taliban have on numerous occasions spelt out clearly that it does not harbor any trans national agenda and are only struggling to rid their country of the unjust foreign occupation with a legitimate desire to run their country in accordance with the genuine aspirations of the Afghan people.
While US led NATO continued to engage the Taliban militarily, various efforts on the politico diplomatic fronts continued side by side cajoling, arm twisting, incentivizing and threatening the stakeholders for joining the negotiation process. These efforts beginning with the Bonn series in 2001, 2011 (Bonn 1 and 2) were supplemented and complemented by other such initiatives, like the Saudi initiative in 2008/2009, Afghan government versus Hizb-e-Islami Gulbadin group`s engagement beginning in 2008, the Maldives series meetings in 2010, the German sponsored Qatar initiative in 2010, and the US backed NATO initiative in which engaging with moderate Taliban was sanctioned by the Obama administration side by side reinforcing the military component for a surge to eliminate the Taliban leadership forcing them to come to the negotiating table. Unfortunately none of these efforts could achieve the desired results due to some fundamental differences like the status of Afghan constitution/government, withdrawal of occupation forces and conflicting interests of regional and extra regional players in Afghanistan.
With ISIS/Daesh physically appearing in Afghanistan`s adjoining provinces with Pakistan and its effective terrorist attacks within Afghanistan and Pakistan, the regional and neighboring countries including Russia and China can clearly assess the magnitude and potential of the looming threat transiting into their territories in a visibly short span of time, given the fragility of the Afghan government. In order to put a brake to the increasing politico economic ingress of both Russia and China into the region and having failed itself to stabilize Afghanistan, the US is suspected of injecting ISIS into this region for subsequent exploitation of Russian and Chinese vulnerabilities in Chechnya and Sinkiang respectively. To stall this new suspected US game plan Russia, China and Pakistan initiated, a trilateral process to explore possibilities for settling the Afghan imbroglio. Vehemently opposed by the US, NATO, Afghanistan and India for not having been consulted or invited, the process is heading for its third meeting at Moscow, with India, Iran and Afghanistan joining, while US stays away on the pretext of not having been consulted about its motives and agenda. Apparently, the Moscow led initiative enjoys greater confidence and appeal among the stakeholders including Afghanistan on account of following reasons.
One, sensing the physical threat of ISIS expanding to their soft underbellies both Russia and China are sincerely committed to lasting peace in Afghanistan. Two, as against US/West, these regional players are well conversant with the prevailing environment, hence are well taken by regional stakeholders. Three, with Central Asia`s most energy resources untapped and China aggressively committed to Afghanistan and the region economically, its interests in a peaceful Afghanistan are greater than any near and distant power. Four, both Russia and China would wish to see a reduction in the US presence and influence in the region given their own long term politico economic interests. Five, with poppy cultivation on the rise in Afghanistan during US occupation, Russia, China, Iran, Pakistan and Central Asian Republics consider their population badly impacted by the menace besides their countries used as conduits for smuggling into Europe. Six, the optimism displayed by the Afghan delegates after the previous session increases the hope for a positive outcome. Seven, by positively engaging Taliban and visibly addressing their genuine concerns, the major stakeholders are developing greater mutual confidence and seriousness towards a lasting settlement.
Besides facing serious setbacks militarily in Afghanistan, the US led diplomacy also consistently failed in reaching at a political and negotiated solution mainly for want of sincerity and credibility with the regional stake holders. It has now clearly dawned on the regional stakeholders that the key to the lasting solution lies with them and not the extra regional players. The China-Russia-Pakistan initiative is hence seen as a fresh ray of hope on the horizon. The US and its allies would do a great service to the international community in general and this region in particular if it puts its weight behind this new initiative. A positive approach will truly prove to be in line with US desire for attaining genuine respect worthy of its power and international stature
http://nation.com.pk/blogs/13-Apr-2017/russia-china-pakistan-initiative-afghanistan-s-last-hope
The Moscow led initiative enjoys greater confidence and appeal among the stakeholders, including Afghanistan
April 13, 2017, 2:00 pm
General Saad Khattak
As the Russia China Pakistan led initiative on Afghanistan takes off tomorrow at Moscow with its third session, the war in Afghanistan is well in its 16th year, with hardly any visible optimism about the fate of this unfortunate country. The most mighty military organization on the surface of earth led by the sole super power equipped to the teeth with the most sophisticated armory that one can fathom looks humbled against the most poorly armed outfit, but exceptionally motivated and determined struggling to contest their country`s occupation.
Post 9/11 US led NATO's occupation while Al-Qaeda almost reduced to non-existence, the US raison d`etre of staying in Afghanistan stands on a morally weak pedestal. The Afghan Taliban have on numerous occasions spelt out clearly that it does not harbor any trans national agenda and are only struggling to rid their country of the unjust foreign occupation with a legitimate desire to run their country in accordance with the genuine aspirations of the Afghan people.
While US led NATO continued to engage the Taliban militarily, various efforts on the politico diplomatic fronts continued side by side cajoling, arm twisting, incentivizing and threatening the stakeholders for joining the negotiation process. These efforts beginning with the Bonn series in 2001, 2011 (Bonn 1 and 2) were supplemented and complemented by other such initiatives, like the Saudi initiative in 2008/2009, Afghan government versus Hizb-e-Islami Gulbadin group`s engagement beginning in 2008, the Maldives series meetings in 2010, the German sponsored Qatar initiative in 2010, and the US backed NATO initiative in which engaging with moderate Taliban was sanctioned by the Obama administration side by side reinforcing the military component for a surge to eliminate the Taliban leadership forcing them to come to the negotiating table. Unfortunately none of these efforts could achieve the desired results due to some fundamental differences like the status of Afghan constitution/government, withdrawal of occupation forces and conflicting interests of regional and extra regional players in Afghanistan.
With ISIS/Daesh physically appearing in Afghanistan`s adjoining provinces with Pakistan and its effective terrorist attacks within Afghanistan and Pakistan, the regional and neighboring countries including Russia and China can clearly assess the magnitude and potential of the looming threat transiting into their territories in a visibly short span of time, given the fragility of the Afghan government. In order to put a brake to the increasing politico economic ingress of both Russia and China into the region and having failed itself to stabilize Afghanistan, the US is suspected of injecting ISIS into this region for subsequent exploitation of Russian and Chinese vulnerabilities in Chechnya and Sinkiang respectively. To stall this new suspected US game plan Russia, China and Pakistan initiated, a trilateral process to explore possibilities for settling the Afghan imbroglio. Vehemently opposed by the US, NATO, Afghanistan and India for not having been consulted or invited, the process is heading for its third meeting at Moscow, with India, Iran and Afghanistan joining, while US stays away on the pretext of not having been consulted about its motives and agenda. Apparently, the Moscow led initiative enjoys greater confidence and appeal among the stakeholders including Afghanistan on account of following reasons.
One, sensing the physical threat of ISIS expanding to their soft underbellies both Russia and China are sincerely committed to lasting peace in Afghanistan. Two, as against US/West, these regional players are well conversant with the prevailing environment, hence are well taken by regional stakeholders. Three, with Central Asia`s most energy resources untapped and China aggressively committed to Afghanistan and the region economically, its interests in a peaceful Afghanistan are greater than any near and distant power. Four, both Russia and China would wish to see a reduction in the US presence and influence in the region given their own long term politico economic interests. Five, with poppy cultivation on the rise in Afghanistan during US occupation, Russia, China, Iran, Pakistan and Central Asian Republics consider their population badly impacted by the menace besides their countries used as conduits for smuggling into Europe. Six, the optimism displayed by the Afghan delegates after the previous session increases the hope for a positive outcome. Seven, by positively engaging Taliban and visibly addressing their genuine concerns, the major stakeholders are developing greater mutual confidence and seriousness towards a lasting settlement.
Besides facing serious setbacks militarily in Afghanistan, the US led diplomacy also consistently failed in reaching at a political and negotiated solution mainly for want of sincerity and credibility with the regional stake holders. It has now clearly dawned on the regional stakeholders that the key to the lasting solution lies with them and not the extra regional players. The China-Russia-Pakistan initiative is hence seen as a fresh ray of hope on the horizon. The US and its allies would do a great service to the international community in general and this region in particular if it puts its weight behind this new initiative. A positive approach will truly prove to be in line with US desire for attaining genuine respect worthy of its power and international stature
http://nation.com.pk/blogs/13-Apr-2017/russia-china-pakistan-initiative-afghanistan-s-last-hope
Three countries undermining Afghanistan progress that President Trump didn’t call out
President Trump delivered a sharp warning to Pakistan on Monday, saying he intends to hold its leaders to account for harboring militant groups responsible for perpetuating instability across the border in Afghanistan.
During a prime-time address to the nation, Trump said the United States would once more accelerate its longest military mission and bring renewed focus to achieving victory in Afghanistan.
“It is time for Pakistan,” the president declared, “to demonstrate its commitment to civilization, order and to peace.”
He declined, however, to similarly admonish three other regional powers which the United States views as complicit in undermining progress there: Russia, Iran and to a lesser extent China, which has a stake in Afghanistan's stability but shows little motivation to take a more active role in providing for its security.
Here's a look at each country's involvement in Afghanistan:
Russia
Since April, not long after he declared America's longest war a stalemate, the top U.S. commander in Afghanistan, Gen. John Nicholson, has voiced concern about Moscow's apparent effort to arm the Taliban. Those weapons include medium and heavy machine guns, officials have said, used to cut down Afghan troops in multiple southern provinces, including areas where U.S. military advisers and Special Operations forces are deployed.
U.S. officials have said that any country shipping weapons into Afghanistan would be in violation of international law. Defense Secretary Jim Mattis vowed to engage the Russians through diplomatic channels, hopeful that doing so would encourage them to halt their alleged meddling.
Russia has denied working with the Taliban, saying its interactions with the fundamentalist group that once ruled Afghanistan have been focused on encouraging it to make peace. Video published by CNN in July appears to contradict that.
Iran
Like Russia, Iran views Afghanistan as within its “sphere of influence,” as The Washington Post's Erin Cunningham characterized it earlier this year. Iranian operatives have been active in the west, where the two countries share a 500-mile border, as well as in the south.
Afghan government officials have indicated Iran and Russia appear to be coordinating, supplying weapons and training to the Taliban in an effort to create loyalty and promote unrest.
In a piece published this month, the New York Times' Carlotta Gall explored this burgeoning dynamic in considerable detail. Here's an excerpt:
Iran has conducted an intensifying covert intervention, much of which is only now coming to light. It is providing local Taliban insurgents with weapons, money and training. It has offered Taliban commanders sanctuary and fuel for their trucks. It has padded Taliban ranks by recruiting among Afghan Sunni refugees in Iran, according to Afghan and Western officials. …
Iran has come to see the Taliban not only as the lesser of its enemies but also as a useful proxy force. The more recent introduction of the Islamic State, which carried out a terrorist attack on Iran’s parliament this year, into Afghanistan has only added to the Taliban’s appeal.
China
Trump has been candid in his criticism of China for not doing more to help counter the provocative actions being taken by North Korea, whose leaders have threatened a nuclear attack against the United States. But his administration has said little about Beijing's comparatively minor contributions in Afghanistan.
China, as one observer notes, has “chosen to assume a minimalistic role in the security sector, refusing to get involved in direct military operations” but benefiting nonetheless from the U.S. and NATO presence there.
And as Military Times' Shawn Snow reported in March, Beijing is seen as something of a “freeloader” in Afghanistan, but there is growing evidence small numbers of Chinese security forces — there's disagreement as to whether they are military personnel or police units — have been deployed across the border to conduct counterterrorism patrols. China is concerned about Uighur militants who remain active in the region and have professed support for the Islamic State.
Since 2015 China has contributed some funding and combat equipment for the Afghan security forces. Still, its interests are primarily economic, focused on Afghanistan's natural resources and its potential to help connect China with other trade partners.
China was one of four countries, including Russia, Iran and Pakistan, that sent envoys to an Afghan summit in the spring — talks the United States refused to attend. And China was quick to show solidarity with ally Pakistan after Trump's remarks Monday.
A spokeswoman for China's foreign minister, speaking with the Reuters news agency Tuesday, conveyed Beijing's contentment with the U.S. continuing to do the heavy lifting.
What's most important from where the world meets Washington
“We hope,” the spokeswoman added, “the relevant U.S. policies can help promote the security, stability and development of Afghanistan and the region.”
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...p-didnt-call-them-out/?utm_term=.8068fec1356d
President Trump delivered a sharp warning to Pakistan on Monday, saying he intends to hold its leaders to account for harboring militant groups responsible for perpetuating instability across the border in Afghanistan.
During a prime-time address to the nation, Trump said the United States would once more accelerate its longest military mission and bring renewed focus to achieving victory in Afghanistan.
“It is time for Pakistan,” the president declared, “to demonstrate its commitment to civilization, order and to peace.”
He declined, however, to similarly admonish three other regional powers which the United States views as complicit in undermining progress there: Russia, Iran and to a lesser extent China, which has a stake in Afghanistan's stability but shows little motivation to take a more active role in providing for its security.
Here's a look at each country's involvement in Afghanistan:
Russia
Since April, not long after he declared America's longest war a stalemate, the top U.S. commander in Afghanistan, Gen. John Nicholson, has voiced concern about Moscow's apparent effort to arm the Taliban. Those weapons include medium and heavy machine guns, officials have said, used to cut down Afghan troops in multiple southern provinces, including areas where U.S. military advisers and Special Operations forces are deployed.
U.S. officials have said that any country shipping weapons into Afghanistan would be in violation of international law. Defense Secretary Jim Mattis vowed to engage the Russians through diplomatic channels, hopeful that doing so would encourage them to halt their alleged meddling.
Russia has denied working with the Taliban, saying its interactions with the fundamentalist group that once ruled Afghanistan have been focused on encouraging it to make peace. Video published by CNN in July appears to contradict that.
Iran
Like Russia, Iran views Afghanistan as within its “sphere of influence,” as The Washington Post's Erin Cunningham characterized it earlier this year. Iranian operatives have been active in the west, where the two countries share a 500-mile border, as well as in the south.
Afghan government officials have indicated Iran and Russia appear to be coordinating, supplying weapons and training to the Taliban in an effort to create loyalty and promote unrest.
In a piece published this month, the New York Times' Carlotta Gall explored this burgeoning dynamic in considerable detail. Here's an excerpt:
Iran has conducted an intensifying covert intervention, much of which is only now coming to light. It is providing local Taliban insurgents with weapons, money and training. It has offered Taliban commanders sanctuary and fuel for their trucks. It has padded Taliban ranks by recruiting among Afghan Sunni refugees in Iran, according to Afghan and Western officials. …
Iran has come to see the Taliban not only as the lesser of its enemies but also as a useful proxy force. The more recent introduction of the Islamic State, which carried out a terrorist attack on Iran’s parliament this year, into Afghanistan has only added to the Taliban’s appeal.
China
Trump has been candid in his criticism of China for not doing more to help counter the provocative actions being taken by North Korea, whose leaders have threatened a nuclear attack against the United States. But his administration has said little about Beijing's comparatively minor contributions in Afghanistan.
China, as one observer notes, has “chosen to assume a minimalistic role in the security sector, refusing to get involved in direct military operations” but benefiting nonetheless from the U.S. and NATO presence there.
And as Military Times' Shawn Snow reported in March, Beijing is seen as something of a “freeloader” in Afghanistan, but there is growing evidence small numbers of Chinese security forces — there's disagreement as to whether they are military personnel or police units — have been deployed across the border to conduct counterterrorism patrols. China is concerned about Uighur militants who remain active in the region and have professed support for the Islamic State.
Since 2015 China has contributed some funding and combat equipment for the Afghan security forces. Still, its interests are primarily economic, focused on Afghanistan's natural resources and its potential to help connect China with other trade partners.
China was one of four countries, including Russia, Iran and Pakistan, that sent envoys to an Afghan summit in the spring — talks the United States refused to attend. And China was quick to show solidarity with ally Pakistan after Trump's remarks Monday.
A spokeswoman for China's foreign minister, speaking with the Reuters news agency Tuesday, conveyed Beijing's contentment with the U.S. continuing to do the heavy lifting.
What's most important from where the world meets Washington
“We hope,” the spokeswoman added, “the relevant U.S. policies can help promote the security, stability and development of Afghanistan and the region.”
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...p-didnt-call-them-out/?utm_term=.8068fec1356d
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Yes. As usual lot of tirades but the geopolitics are not as easy as to comprehend like watching Mz Universe.
Why is America responsible for the mess in Syria ?? I would say American inaction has caused the mess. If they had acted earlier Assad might be gone by now.
Iraq has per captia income 4 times that of Pakistan. Iraq is much better place than under Saddam
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WEll I dont know what "chutiya" is, if i think it is a derogatory remark then it fits perfectly on your shoe very well.
If you cannot conduct yourself in dignified manner and come down to the street language, then it is valid to have you shamboked which is deserving.
Your planes have radio equipment with very specific technologies I was part of developing so kindly refrain from accusing me of wrong actions when you cannot even put any good technology together.
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India under pressure by Trump:
Trump had to put pressure on India for Afghan role'
"We've got to put the pressure on India that they have to be part of the political solution," Haley told CNN.
And myopic Indians are busy laughing at Pakistan on PDF?
Trump had to put pressure on India for Afghan role'
"We've got to put the pressure on India that they have to be part of the political solution," Haley told CNN.
And myopic Indians are busy laughing at Pakistan on PDF?
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