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Pakistan possible answer against india nuclear submarine

To be Honest in the VASTNESS of seas , a submarine just vanishes
and agostas could operate under water for weeks and weeks so its quite a sufficient platform

Yet for last 10 years we have sat on our own chairs and watched as years past while the lingering questions remains when we will get the new submarines

If we order today new ones will come to us in 3-4 years.

So why not build ones that we had the alleged transfer of technology.

If we had 8 Agosta submarines , I don't think we would have a pressure as we have now ... 2-3 subs don't do much to any defence

Yes it will give you an option for few days untill its found but thats about it

You need 8-9 subs in your inventory to do anything
 
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Sir,

It would be nice to do some research on submarines, submarine warfare and what kind of robotic submarines are available---and how you are going to operate them.

Please----people---for goodness sake---pick up a book----pick up a " book of fiction " regarding submarine warfare and at least get an idea as to what is involved in submarine operation and submarine warfare---how the sea lanes are tracked and how the subs go from one point to the other---how they hunt and track each other---.

There is no such thing as a robotic submarine to fight an under sea battle.

Well said..there is no such thing as a robotic submarine...at the moment..But that doesn't mean there cant be...
unmanned subs haven't been looked into... Probably due to communication barriers,as radio waves are absorbed by sea water..but if properly researched,a very low frequency remote control signal can be devised..lower the frequency,greater the range of radio signal underwater?

Pakistan is an underdeveloped country and on most things has to start from zero..Our "Start" is usually buying other people's scrapped junk..would be much better if we could make something new of our own..
 
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I support that. Really good suggestion. Research based on fiction is best source of great knowledge. We can really improve our military capabilities by watching Star Wars and Star Trek.

Hi,

I told you one time not to answer when you are mad at me---it clouds your thinking---.

Star trek and Star wars are "SCIENCE FICTION"---I didnot say science fiction. If you had read some of them, you would understand the difference between the two.

Tom Clancy's Hunt for Red October is a good start---to get some understanding for a lay person---.
 
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Hi,

I told you one time not to answer when you are mad at me---it clouds your thinking---.

Star trek and Star star wars are "SCIENCE FICTION"---I didnot say science fiction. If you had read some of them, you would understand the difference between the two.

Tom Clancy's Hunt for Red October is a good start---to get some understanding for a lay person---.

erm.........NO STAR WARS IS not SCience fiction

if so then explain how ?
 
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Well said..there is no such thing as a robotic submarine...at the moment..But that doesn't mean there cant be...
unmanned subs haven't been looked into... Probably due to communication barriers,as radio waves are absorbed by sea water..but if properly researched,a very low frequency remote control signal can be devised..lower the frequency,greater the range of radio signal underwater?

Pakistan is an underdeveloped country and on most things has to start from zero..Our "Start" is usually buying other people's scrapped junk..would be much better if we could make something new of our own..

Hi,

You are talkiong about VLF and ELF type of signals----well---that is why I stated that you need to read up on some of the material so that you have a better idea of what you want to discuss---.

If you had any idea as to how the submarines operate and work---you would not have written what you did---.

A submarine is a stealth weapon---once it leaves the dock---it is living in a world of its own---on every mission the world is seemingly coming to an end---.

Submarines do get orders from land----but they are slow in coming like the ELF---but any message coming in can also be snagged by the enemy.

You seemingly want to take my post as an insult and didnot take the oppurtunity to learn---well that does not help---.

Yes---in the real world---for the next century onwards----there will be no submarines going fishing on their without a crew---.

A submarine is not a sterilized environment where everything is working like a swiss watch---on a sub, things break down---steam pipes leak---engine bearings burn----generators have problems---electronic systems can malfunction---there are a thousand and one things tha can go wrong and those need to be fixed under the sea---with no help from outside.

There have to be tactics developed on the run against the enemy minefields, submarine hunters, submarine sensors.

You need to understand that submarine warfare is a new game---just barley over a 100 years old---we have barely scrateched the surface only---. We have been fighting land battles for thousands of years and have seen a great bit of evolution----plus on land and in air---we can see our mistakes and errors and correct them before the damage is done or even after the damage is done. Under sea---is a totally different world---where the margins of error----actually there is no margin of error.

And it is a totally different world---where the rules of operations and survival have totally different standards---.

Please don't take it as personal---if you want to talk about it---then learn about it---thankyou.:pakistan:


To take it further---submarines operate on their own under water---once they go under----there is no knopwing what direction they would take---or what they will face---every deployment of a submarine is sort of a last journey----they never know what kind of world they wioll return to.

as the subs rely on stealth---meaning any signal communication will give out their locatio---specially the one controlling them----the enemy then has to destroy the base from where the signal is origination---or just simply jam the signal----and now you have lost your billions of dollars worth of submarine---to a simple jamming equipment.
 
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erm.........NO STAR WARS IS not SCience fiction

if so then explain how ?


Hi,

Please write a clear sentence as to what you want to ask me. Thanks. I could not decipher what you wrote. Thanks.
 
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Probably we will lease a Nuclear sub from China.

China has just 8 nuclear subs, some of which old, all of which it needs for itself as strategic assets.

By comparison, Russia has some 44 nuclear submarines, of which 24 are operational.
 
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Hi,

Please write a clear sentence as to what you want to ask me. Thanks. I could not decipher what you wrote. Thanks.

I was asking why do you think Star Wars comes under science fiction ?
 
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We should spend this money to develop IT parks to give our youth a fighting chance instead:pakistan:.
Navy boys want some shiny toys.
 
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Sorry, I know this is not the right thread to put this. But frankly speaking neither India would attack pakistan /china or the opposite. Even if some war erupts it would be minimal and would be contained in a day or two with international countries mounting pressure.

The next war weapon india and china would be using against each other would be their Economy, yes both will use their economic might for strategic purposes. As China is far more ahead economically it will have more say in the world, that doesnt mean India will lag behind, its getting up there.

Meanwhile china will keep helping pakistan as stop gap arrangement for India. But in the end of the race.. its pakistan who is going to lose, not china / India. As both are progressing economically, where as pakistan is just focussing on military with india as its arch foe. But pakistan has to understand that todays friend might be tomorrows foe, what if some other bigger nations confront it, will its military be able to reply to those threats.

Instead it has stand alone, never rely on anyone including china / US, be self reliant economically and militarily. For strong military we need strong economy and good work force which require good academics, so its all a cycle .. where it starts with economy.

I am not here to pin point pakistan or something. A strong pakistan is good for South Asia, We asian countries are lagging behind many european countries, thats why they are making us play according to their tunes controlling funds in IMF and worldbank making as bankrupt nations, even this happend to India before 1990 economic liberalisation.

Hope I havent hurt anyone ...:oops:
 
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senseless,

No, you are not wrong---that is what it seems like---.
 
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There will be a gap in the navy until 2022 when you get those subs. Since you need a regional defensive approach against Indian navy and not a global strike naval force the best during that time is to go for indigeneous small hunter submarines. Some countries in the region for example Iran already has that capability. Small-midget subs also are less detectable if you acquire the technology to build them. Otherwise until 2022 you will be waiting with a gap in the navy.

Yes India has several A3 orion anti sub aircraft that needs to fly over your subs to detect them near your waters but you have plenty of bvr aircraft at your disposal to take out Indian 2-3 anti submarine aircraft flying over your waters. Also even if they are detected they are mobile and it is not that easy to hit them at least more difficult than attacking surface vessels that shine on the radar.
 
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