Pakistan possible answer against india nuclear submarine

[Super Falcon]

Le Triomphant (S616) is the French Navy's ballistic missile nuclear-powered submarine (SSBN), intended to replace the L'Inflexible M4 Class SSBNs.

The submarine was designed and built at DCN's Cherbourg shipyard. This first-of-class submarine was launched in July 1993 and entered service in 1997. The second, Le Temeraire (S617), entered service in January 2000. The third, Le Vigilant (S618), was launched in April 2003 and commissioned in November 2004.

The fourth and last, Le Terrible (S619) was rolled out in March 2008 and is scheduled for launch in mid-2008. It is planned to commission in 2010.

In April 2007, DCN became DCNS. This followed an agreement in which Thales became a 25% shareholder in the new company and DCN acquired the naval business of Thales France (excluding naval equipment).

Missiles

The submarine carries 16 vertically launched M45 ballistic missiles supplied by EADS Space Transportation (formerly Aerospatiale), based in Les Mureaux, France. The M45 propulsion system has three-stage solid fuel rocket motors producing hypersonic speed. The inertial control and guidance system is equipped with a Sagittaire digital computer supplied by Thales (formerly Thomson-CSF).

"Le Triomphant (S616) is the French Navy's ballistic missile nuclear-powered submarine, built by DCN in Cherbourg."The missile carries a thermonuclear warhead, developed by the Commissariat a l'Energie Atomique, with six multiple re-entry vehicles (MRVs), each of 150kt, in the TN-71 warhead. The range is 6,000km.

The new enhanced M51 missile, due to enter service in 2010, weighs more than 50t and will carry a warhead with 12 MIRVS, and have an increased range of 8,000km. The submarine is equipped with a SAD strategic data system for control of the M45 ballistic missile.

EADS Space Transportation received a production contract for the new enhanced M51 missile in December 2004.

The M51 is due to enter service from 2010 on Le Terrible and then be retrofitted to the other vessels of the class. The missile weighs more than 50t, carries a warhead with six MIRVS and has an increased range of 8,000km. Sagem is providing the new navigation and guidance system, which will contribute to the first hit accuracy of the M51. A successful first test firing of the M-51, without the warhead, took place in November 2006.

The submarine's surface-to-surface missile is the Exocet SM39 supplied by MBDA (formerly EADS Aerospatiale). Target range and bearing data is downloaded from the submarine's SAT tactical data system and the DLA 4A weapon control system into the Exocet's computer.

The SM39 in a launch capsule is launched from the submarine's torpedo tubes using a gas generator. The launch capsule is propelled away from the submarine and clear of the surface of the sea by a solid propellant motor. The missile separates from the capsule and the boost motor is ignited. The missile approaches the target area in sea-skimming mode using inertial navigation and then active radar homing. The missile approaches the target at speeds over Mach 0.9 and the range is 50km. The Exocet's 165kg high-explosive shaped charge warhead is armed with a delayed impact fuse and a proximity fuse.

Torpedoes

The submarine has four 533mm torpedo tubes and has the capacity to carry a mixed load of 18 ECAN L5 mod 3 torpedoes and Exocet missiles. The torpedo, armed with a 150kg warhead, is equipped with both active and passive homing. The range is over 9km and the speed 35kt.

Electronic warfare

The DR 3000U electronic support system is supplied by Thales, based in Malakoff, France. DR 3000U is a radar warning receiver (French Navy designation ARUR-13) operating in D to K bands.

The system uses a masthead antenna array with omnidirectional and monopulse directional antennas and a separate periscope warning antenna. The system provides direction-finding with an accuracy greater than 1°.

"The submarine carries 16 vertically launched M45 ballistic missiles."Sensors

The submarine is fitted with the Thales Underwater Systems (formerly Thomson Marconi Sonar) DMUX 80 bow and flank array sonar suite. The DMUX 80 provides passive target ranging and interception capability. The submarine's low-frequency towed array sonar provides very long-range capability.

The submarine's search radar, supplied by Thales, operates at I-band.

Propulsion

The submarine's propulsion system is a nuclear turbo-electric system based on a Type K15 pressure water reactor (PWR) supplying 150MW. The auxiliary propulsion system is diesel electric, with two SEMT-Pielstick 8 PA 4 v 200 SM diesels.

Le Triomphant has a submerged speed in excess of 25kt and a surface speed of 20kt. The diving depth is more than 300m. The endurance of the submarine is over 60 days.
this is alos good optuion for pn

 

[IceCold]

how much more pakistan wants to be under debt??


think little bit about your economy as well.

good luck.

Dude thats none of your bloody damn business how much debt we are in or we want to be in. If you cant contribute to the topic at hand, better yet keep your big mouth shut and dont troll here, this is a professional defence forum, if you cant debate dont debate at all.

 

[IceCold]

As of now and I mean 2 yrs INS Arihant will be busy with Sea trials around Bay of Bengal....and will be fully operational by yr 2011.....

So this is what Pakistan Should Do.....


Short term:

1. Lease Nuclear submarine from Countries Like france, China or any Neutral Country. And the process should be Initiated ASAP so that the Submarine is delivered within next two years.


Long term:

1. Start the process for procurement of 2 to 3 Nuclear submarines ....ASAP...

For both your suggestions, keep Pakistan's economy in mind, we cannot afford a nuclear sub and as far as leasing is concerned, well that cant be exercised either one France wont give one for obvious reasons and 2 China has yet not reached the same level in a Sub development as that of its counter parts such as Russia the US or europeans. This is exactly the reason why even for our conventional subs, we only accepted tenders from France and Germans and the German U boat was selected.

 

[jeypore]

Pakistan: Indian military acquisitions threaten peace


Islamabad - Pakistan has accused India of threatening peace in South Asia by expanding its military arsenal. "Continued induction of new lethal weapon systems by India is detrimental to regional peace and stability," Pakistan's Ministry of Foreign Affairs said late Monday.

The statement came a day after arch-rival India launched its first nuclear-powered submarine for sea trials.

The 6,000-ton INS Arihant, or Destroyer of Enemies, carries a crew of up to 95 and is armed with 12 ballistic missiles, each capable of carrying a 500-kilogram nuclear warhead to a target 750 kilometres away.

"Without entering into an arms race with India, Pakistan will take all appropriate steps to safeguard its security and maintain strategic balance in South Asia," the ministry statement said.

"Pakistan believes that maintenance of strategic balance is essential for peace and security in South Asia."

Both countries regularly test ballistic missiles and other advanced military hardware and Pakistan conducted tit-for-tat nuclear explosions in 1998.

Pakistani defence strategists say the majority of India's arsenal is Pakistan-specific, and the stockpiles are growing amid New Delhi's increasing desire for military hegemony in the region.

The two neighbours have fought three wars since gaining independence from Britain in 1947.

Relations between them are currently under strain over India's demands that Pakistan act firmly against the proscribed Lashkar-e-Taiba terrorist organization, which is believed to be behind the November 2008 attacks in Mumbai, which killed 170 people.

Pakistan: Indian military acquisitions threaten peace : India World

 

[Super Falcon]

The Ohio Class submarines serve the United States Navy as the virtually undetectable undersea launch platforms of intercontinental missiles. The Electric Boat Division of General Dynamics, based at Groton, Connecticut, has built 18 Ohio submarines, commissioned between 1981 and 1997.

The submarines of the Pacific Fleet are based at Bangor, Washington, and those of the Atlantic Fleet at King's Bay, Georgia. The submarines spend 70 days at sea followed by 25 days in dock for overhaul.

Ohio SSGN conversion

Under the requirements of the Strategic Arms Reduction Treaty, START II, which was agreed in June 1992, the number of strategic missile submarines was limited to 14 from the year 2002. Rather than decommissioning these four submarines, the US Navy has converted them to SSGNs (conventionally armed nuclear-powered) submarines.

"Ohio Class submarines are virtually undetectable undersea launch platforms for intercontinental missiles."In September 2002, Electric Boat received a contract for the conversion of USS Ohio (SSBN 726), Michigan (727), Florida (728) and Georgia (729). The submarines have been refitted with up to 154 Tomahawk TLAM (land attack) or Tactical Tomahawk (block IV) missiles and are also be capable of conducting special operations missions with accommodation for Northrop Grumman advanced SEAL delivery systems (ASDS), mission control centre and 102 special operations troops.

General Dynamics Advanced Information Systems is modifying the Trident fire control system for the Tomahawk weapon control.

Northrop Grumman Electronic Systems is adapting the missile launch tubes, developing a multiple all-up round canister (MAC) which provides storage and launch of up to seven Tomahawk missiles from each of the submarine's 22 missile tubes. The SSGN submarines are also fitted with the Raytheon AN/BYG-1 combat data system.

USS Ohio began conversion in November 2002, which was completed in January 2006, when the ship rejoined the fleet following sea trials in December 2005. USS Florida began the SSGN conversion in July 2003 and rejoined the fleet in April 2006. USS Michigan returned to service in June 2007. USS Georgia was delivered from conversion in December 2007 and returned to service in March 2008. SSBN's USS Pennsylvania and USS Kentucky have shifted homeport from Kings Bay to Bangor to balance the strategic force.

In November 2007, USS Ohio left for final trials off Hawaii before beginning its first operational deployment as an SSGN in the western Pacific Ocean.

In January 2003, USS Florida took part in Naval Sea Systems Command (NAVSEA) experiment 'Giant Shadow' to test the capabilites of the new SSGNs. The experiment included validation launches of two Tomahawk missiles, the first ever launch of a UUV (unmanned underwater vehicle) and insertion of a navy SEALs force. The SSGN will have the capacity to accommodate 66 SEALS.

Advanced SEAL delivery system (ASDS)

The Northrop Grumman advanced SEAL delivery system (ASDS) is a submersible for the delivery of US Navy SEALs and combat gear to the shore. Each Ohio SSGN has had its two forward-most missile tubes converted into ASDS capable lock-out chambers. ASDS is equipped with multiple sonars, GPS/ inertial navigation, communications and electronic support measures (ESM). It has also been fitted to Los Angeles Class submarines USS Charlotte (SSN-766) and the USS Greeneville (SSN-772) and is to equip the Virginia Class SSNs.

In March 2008, USS Michigan successfully completed the operational evaluation of ASDS across a range of operational conditions.

Missiles

The Ohio Class submarine is equipped with the Trident strategic ballistic missile from Lockheed Martin Missiles and Space. The Trident was built in two versions, Trident I (C4), which is being phased out, and the larger and longer-range Trident II (D5), which entered service in 1990.

"The Ohio Class SSGNs are conventionally armed nuclear-powered submarines."The first eight submarines, (SSBN 726 to 733 inclusive) were equipped with Trident I and the following ten (SSBN 734 to 743) carry the Trident II. Conversion of the four Trident I submarines remaining after START II (Henry M Jackson, Alabama, Alaska and Nevada) to Trident II began in 2000 and is planned to complete in 2008.

Lockheed Martin received a contract in January 2002 for the production of 12 Trident II missiles for the four submarines.

The submarine has the capacity for 24 Trident missile tubes in two rows of 12. The dimensions of the Trident II missile are 1,360cm long with a diameter of 210cm, and the weight is 59,000kg. The three-stage solid fuel rocket motor is built by ATK (Alliant Techsystems) Thiokol Propulsion.

The US Navy gives the range as 'greater than 7,360km' but this could be up to 12,000km depending on the payload mix. Missile guidance is provided by an inertial navigation system, supported by stellar navigation.

Trident II is capable of carrying up to 12 MIRVs (multiple independent re-entry vehicles), each with a yield of 100kt, although the SALT treaty limits this number to eight a missile. The circle of equal probability (the radius of the circle within which half the strikes will impact) is less than 150m. The Sperry Univac Mark 98 missile control system controls the 24 missiles.

Torpedoes

The Ohio Class submarine is fitted with four 533mm torpedo tubes with a mk118 digital torpedo fire control system. The torpedoes are the Gould mk48 torpedoes.

The mk48 is a heavy weight torpedo with a warhead of 290kg, which has been operational in the US Navy since 1972. The torpedo can be operated with or without wire guidance and the system has active and/or passive acoustic homing.

Range is up to 50km at a speed of 40kt. After launch the torpedo carries out target search, acquisition and attack procedures delivering to a depth of 3,000ft.

Ohio countermeasures

The Ohio Class submarine is equipped with eight launchers for the mk2 torpedo decoy. Electronic warfare equipment is the WLR-10 threat warning system and the WLR-8(V) surveillance receiver from GTE of Massachusetts.

The WLR-8(V) uses seven YIG-tuned and vector-tuned superheterodyne receivers to operate from 50MHz up to J-band. An acoustic interception and countermeasures system, AN/WLY-1 from Northrop Grumman, has been developed to provide the submarine with an automatic response against torpedo attack.

"The Ohio Class submarine is equipped with eight launchers for the mk2 torpedo decoy."Sensors

The surface search, navigation and fire control radar is BPS 15A I/J-band radar. The sonar suite includes: IBM BQQ 6 passive search sonar, Raytheon BQS 13, BQS 15 active and passive high-frequency sonar, BQR 15 passive towed array from Western Electric, and the active BQR 19 navigation sonar from Raytheon. Kollmorgen Type 152 and Type 82 periscopes are fitted.

The Ohio submarines are being upgraded with the Lockheed Martin AN/BQQ-10(V4) sonar processing system under the acoustic-rapid commercial-off-the-shelf insertion (A-RCI) programme.

Propulsion

The main machinery is the pressure water reactor GE PWR S8G with two turbines providing 60,000hp and driving a single shaft. The submarine is equipped with a 325hp Magnatek auxiliary prop motor. The propulsion provides a speed in excess of 18kt surfaced and 25kt submerged.


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Four Ohio Class submarines are being converted to SSGN (conventionally armed nuclear-powered) submarines.

 

[IceCold]

Dude thats none of your bloody damn business how much debt we are in or we want to be in.


haha, cool down, dude.

of course this is our business, pakistan is our neihgbor and we care about it.

i was just saying for your own benefit.

anyways, just wondering who will give you nucler submaine, China?


ask china to improve your economy as well.

You can shove that care of yours up your *** for all we care and as for the economy again thats none of your business and in case you didnt read my previous post i already said we have neither the means nor are we interested in a nuclear sub. So what in the hell are you babbling about.
By the level of your post it is evident that your purpose here is to just troll and nothing more which will only shorten your stay here and nothing more.

 

[Super Falcon]

The Russian Navy operates seven Delta IV class strategic missile submarines. The submarines operate in the Northern Fleet and are based at the Saida Guba Naval Base.

The submarines were built at the Severodvinsk Shipyard from 1981 to 1992. The first of class, K51, was commissioned in December 1985. In Russia, they are referred to as the Delfin or Dolphin class Project 667 submarines.

DESIGN

The submarine design is similar to that of Delta III (Project 667 BDR). The submarine constitutes a double-hulled configuration with missile silos housed in the inner hull.

"The Russian Navy operates seven Delta IV class strategic missile submarines."The nose horizontal hydroplanes are arranged on the sail. They can rotate to the vertical for breaking through the ice cover. The operational diving depth of the submarine is 320m with a maximum depth of 400m. The propulsion system provides a run speed of 24kt surfaced and 24kt submerged. The submarine carries supplies for an endurance of 80 days. The surface of the submarine has an acoustic coating to reduce the acoustic signature.

MISSILES

The Delta IV submarines are strategic nuclear missile submarines designed to carry out strikes on military and industrial installations and naval bases.

The submarine carries the RSM-54 Makeyev missile (NATO designation: SS-N-23 Skiff) Submarine-Launched Ballistic Missile (SLBM). The RSM-54 is a three-stage liquid-propellant ballistic missile with a range of 8,300km.

The warhead consists of four to ten Multiple, Independently targeted Re-entry Vehicles (MIRVs) each rated at 100kt. The missile uses stellar inertial guidance to provide a Circle of Equal Probability (CEP) of 500m. The CEP value is a measure of the accuracy of strike on the target and is the radius of the circle within which half the strikes will impact.

In July 2007, the Sineva SLBM, a development of the RSM-54, entered service with the Russian Navy. Sineva is being fitted to the Delta IV class submarines. It is reported to have ten MIRVs and have a range of 8,300km.

The submarine is also capable of launching the Novator SS-N-15 Starfish anti-ship missile or mk40 anti-ship torpedoes. Starfish is armed with a 200kt nuclear warhead and has a range of up to 45km.

TORPEDOES

The submarine has four 533mm torpedo tubes capable of launching all types of torpedoes, including anti-submarine torpedoes and anti-hydroacoustic devices. The system is fitted with a rapid reloading torpedo system. The submarine can carry up to 18 missiles or torpedoes. All torpedoes are accommodated in the bow section of the hull.

ELECTRONIC WARFARE

The submarines' radar warning receiver is the Brick Pulp system. The optronic mast is the Brick Spit.

"The SSBN Delta Class IV submarine has four 533mm torpedo tubes capable of launching all types of torpedoes."SENSORS

The Snoop Tray surface search radar operates at I-band.

The sonar suite includes the hull-mounted Shark Gill sonar, which operates at low and medium frequencies in active and passive search and attack mode. The Mouse Roar active attack sonar is hull mounted and operates at high frequency. The Shark Hide flank array sonar is a passive low-frequency system. A Pelamida towed array sonar provides a very low-frequency passive search capability. The dispenser for the thin-line towed array is visible on the after fin.

COMMUNICATIONS

The submarine has two floating VLF and ELF antenna buoys to receive radio messages, target designation data and satellite navigation signals while remaining at a safe depth.

PROPULSION

The Delta IV is nuclear-powered with two VM-4 pressure water reactors rated at 180MW. There are two turbines, type GT3A-365 rated at 27.5MW. The propulsion system drives two shafts with seven-bladed fixed-pitch propellers

 

[Machoman]

yea right, but how much usa has given to pakistan?

and how much pakistan gave them?
don't say stuff like they r fighting, because that does not count in this world.

Every penny count my friend, American first wasted billions of dollars in Iraq and now in Afghanistan. Just because of one damn guy Osama how many people died and economy go into gutter. I ask one question American have so much technology and so much source. How come they could catch one guy for past 5 years. This is shame because all the tax people pay in USA going in war for past 5 + years and result basically is zero. America have over a trillion dollar deficit who is going to pay that? America just start giving money to Pakistan few months ago so… Please don’t start here

 

[Super Falcon]

desi guy who gave u that nuke submarine which u call ideginous i tell u what u got the blue prints of subl from russia any way china will give us nuke submarine if we ask them and i must tell u if u got nuke sub it is not end of the world their are severla solutions for ur nuke which pn can acquire

 

[Machoman]

You can shove that care of yours up your *** for all we care and as for the economy again thats none of your business and in case you didnt read my previous post i already said we have neither the means nor are we interested in a nuclear sub. So what in the hell are you babbling about.

Calm down my friend he is just expressing his view and I think we all are, so I think we do not need get hyped up here. Cool dude..

 

[Super Falcon]

As a cruise-missile submarine, the Oscar was designed primarily to attack NATO aircraft carrier battle groups. To cope with its resource problems, the Russian Navy, in the early 1990s, made an effort at preserving its core submarine force capabilities. The Russian Navy continued to invest in new construction. In the late 1990s it completed several new submarines of the third generation Oscar II. 11 of the larger Oscar II submarines were built between 1985 and 1999 at the Sevmash yard in Severodvinsk. Three have been decommissioned and one, the Kursk, sank. Two Oscar II submarines are active with the Northern Fleet and five with the Pacific Fleet.

DESIGN

Designed to deliver missile blows on groups of ships and coastal installations, the submarine constitutes an updated version of Project 949 with one additional compartment to improve the inner arrangement of the armament and equipment.

The Oscar II is a double-hulled design, and is divided into ten major compartments. The reinforced rounded cover of the sail is intended to break through the ice of the Artic ice cap. The two periscopes, radio-sextant and radar masts are located within the retractable devices area. The HF and UHF radio-masts, radio direction-finder masts and satellite communication and navigation masts are located on the airshaft to feed compressors. The submarine is fitted with a floating antenna buoy to receive radio messages, target designation data and satellite navigation signals at a great depth and under the ice. The bow horizontal hydroplanes are retracted into the hull. The main mechanisms have modular design and two-cascade shock-absorbing system.

As with other Russian submarines, the Oscar features a double hull, comprising an inner pressure hull and an outer hydrodynamic hull. The 3.5m separation between the inner and outer hulls on the Oscar provides significant reserve buoyancy, and improved survivability against conventional torpedoes. These large submarines are said to be slow to dive and manoeuvre, though they are credited with a submerged speed of about 30 knots – sufficient to keep pace with their targets.

The improved Oscar II is about 10m longer than the Oscar I, possibly making room for a quieter propulsion system, and features upgraded electronic systems. The Oscar II is also characterized by a substantially enlarged fin, which should improve underwater manoeuvrability.

OSCAR II WEAPONS SYSTEMS
The submarine is equipped with 24 SS-N-19 Granit (NATO codename "Shipwreck") cruise missiles with a range of 550km. The missile has a length of 10.5m and weighs 6.9t with a warhead weighing 1000kg. Its speed is Mach 1.5. Under the START treaty, nuclear warheads for these missiles have been replaced with high explosive warheads. The missiles, which are launched while the submarine is submerged, are fired from tubes fixed at an angle of approximately 40°. The tubes, arranged in two rows of twelve, are each covered by six hatches on each side of the sail, with each hatch covering a pair of tubes. The launchers are placed between the inner pressure hull and the outer hydrodynamic hull.

The torpedo tubes fire both torpedoes and shorter range anti-ship missiles, and a combination of some two dozen weapons are carried including the SS-N-16 missile. The SS-N-16 has a range of 50km and is powered by a liquid fuel turbojet engine. It can carry either an explosive warhead or a Type 40 torpedo.

In the 1980s the Rubin Design Bureau was responsible for developing a number of third-generation nuclear submarines with cruise missiles, including Projects 949 ("Granit", "Oscar I") and 949A ("Antey", "Oscar II"). The Bureau took the lead in using naval cruise missiles, designing the first cruise missile nuclear submarine – Project 659 ("Echo I"), then Project 675 ("Echo II") and related modifications.

THE KURSK DISASTER
On 12 August 2000, the Oscar II nuclear-powered cruise missile submarine, Kursk (K 141), sank in the Barents Sea, with the loss of all 118 crew. Commissioned in 1994, the Kursk was part of the Russian Northern Fleet. From Norwegian seismological records, it appeared that the submarine was destroyed by two explosions. A subsequent enquiry confirmed that these were caused by the explosion of a Type 65 high test peroxide (HTP) 650mm torpedo, which triggered the explosion in the weapons compartment that caused the vessel to sink. The blast was caused by highly volatile torpedo propellant that leaked and came in contact with kerosene and metal. Vain efforts to rescue any surviving crew were aided by the UK's LR5 submarine rescue vehicle and a Norwegian diving team.

The Kursk was raised in October 2001 and towed to the Russian naval shipyard in Murmansk. The forward weapons compartment was cut out prior to lifting and sections were later lifted in May 2002. Wreckage remaining on the seabed was blown up. The nuclear reactors and Granit cruise missiles were all recovered. The salvage operation was carried out by two Dutch companies, Mammoet Worldwide and Smit International.

 

[Super Falcon]

stop fighting and discuss on the thread which is given and desiguy today america is a super power because of us remember the days when soviet union use to rule the world including usa and usa never have courage to have a war 1 0n 1 with them thats why the came bagging to pakistan for help than we helped u by our mujhahidens in afghanistan and soviet union crappled as a super power and u became super power so dont remind us what u gave us what we gave u u can never ever compare it what u give us now

 

[Super Falcon]

any way the usa super power days are very near to end when ur nation will be same like russia next big thing will be china which even now rules the world market hope in few years china will take on world economy thats why USA is scared and helping india

 

[ouiouiouiouiouioui]

i find very funny here when people gives certain preposition of"taking out he nuke sub"

do they really know that...this is the only vessel which carry a fully integrated....at one place.......nuclear missiles......not like.....in land where...every part of missiles is kept along the length and breadth of the country....for safety........now u imagine the potential threat froma anuclear submarine........armed with live nuclear missile...that to in numbers.....and just press of a butoom and....boooooom........

so this is potentially the biggest threat and the last line........bigger than any stealth plane....any armoured battery.....and to an extent....bigger than nuclear missiles at land or at air......because here u dont know......from where...and when the enemy is going to strike....very dangerous business....further...it not only ends here.....to maintain a nuclea sub....u need a separate command and control.......this is even more critical than for missiles which are available on land or on air......here the missiles are nuclear tipped...ready....on a trigger of button.....

 

[LiberalPakistani]

Pakistan Navy should induct a couple of new submires and test ICBM's