Pakistan one of the least racist countries in the world: Survey

[war&peace]

Secondly, surveys in India were taken in English while those in Pakistan were taken in Urdu. This makes random sampling totally broken in the case of India.

Then it makes things worse for India as it means that even more educated people in India share the same sentiments against their neighbours while in Pakistan they target lesser educated people who could understand Urdu only.

 

[Deepika Maheshwari]

Then it makes things worse for India as it means that even more educated people in India share the same sentiments against their neighbours while in Pakistan they target lesser educated people who could understand Urdu only.

Unwarranted assumption. First thing you learn in data crunching is do not assume things that are not supported by data. Education and english speaking may or may not have correlation and that somehow english education makes you more tolerant. Mind you this survey was a written one. So we know all of them could atleast read a language. Beyond that any other inference is full of unwarranted assumption. This is especially true for diverse countries like India and Pakistan.

 

[risingsinga]

Congratulations to Pakistan. Racism is a curse and should be kept at a minimum. I don't know Pakistani society deep enough but the people I interacted so far were the least racist people I ever met.

there is absoletly nothing wrong with being a racist. be pround in your race and culture.

This is really disgusting and arrogant.

 

[shhh]

I dont know which is bigger idiocy. Fighting over caste or demanding separate states or nation based on religion. Both are absolutely arbitrary social constructs which exists only in your head. Unlike race. And by race I mean skin color.

Its funny, you are both supporting the instance of a nation based on religion and buying weapons from them which helps their economy. You are contradicting yourself.

And are you seriously defending caste system? We have no problem with a country based on their ethnicity. Japan, Korea, China, Russia are all examples.

Congratulations to Pakistan. Racism is a curse and should be kept at a minimum. I don't know Pakistani society deep enough but the people I interacted so far were the least racist people I ever met.


This is really disgusting and arrogant.

I wish you could explain that to our neighbors.

 

[Deepika Maheshwari]

Its funny, you are both supporting the instance of a nation based on religion and buying weapons from them which helps their economy. You are contradicting yourself.

And are you seriously defending caste system? We have no problem with a country based on their ethnicity. Japan, Korea, China, Russia are all examples.

Nope I am not supporting either.

Buying weapons is a simple need based decision - Israel has decent weapon systems and they are ready to sell them; we need weapons as we can not manufacture them locally and lastly they seem to be somewhat sympathetic to our cause of fighting terrorism. We do not buy weapons from them to support their economy or to support religion. We buy weapons from them to defend ourselves. Incidentally, Israel has sold aircraft technology to China as well - A certain Lavi project which perhaps inspired J-10 design. The same Chinese are now supplying weapons to Iran. Why did Israeli do so? I guess Chinese were generous in payments.

Coming back to my point, I was merely wondering which is a bigger stupidity. Demanding separate nations based on religion or fighting over Caste. Both of them are arbitrary concepts with nothing physical to support them. A Hindu or Muslim can not be distinguished if they are of same 'race' and so are people from different castes. A distinction based on skin color may actually seem more 'natural' as in based on something which is possibly immutable and easily distinguishable.

 

[911]

Coming back to my point, I was merely wondering which is a bigger stupidity. Demanding separate nations based on religion or fighting over Caste. Both of them are arbitrary concepts with nothing physical to support them. A Hindu or Muslim can not be distinguished if they are of same 'race' and so are people from different castes. A distinction based on skin color may actually seem more 'natural' as in based on something which is possibly immutable and easily distinguishable.

Exactly the first thing which came into my mind when i saw this thread. A country made for Muslims which used to be considered a saperate race that time. Moreover every other thread here is infested with racial slurs by Pakistanis. Even if Indians were more racist than Pakistanis, the difference can't be that huge.

Whites are most racist yet they come out least racist, its hilarious. They know racism is considered bad why would they ever admit they are racist. No point in burning yourself over this.

 

[Mugwop]

Futile attempt by indians trying to label Pakistanis as racist but the true fact is under JAH's hot sun no human race can surpass indians when it comes to being racist and sadistic. They have a fantasy to start a holocaust against random muslims especially Pakistan. Since they can't do such a thing in real life they troll online to satisfy their sadistic nature.

 

[Myth_buster_1]

Good lesson learned if you have tolerated Bengalis then you might have you have your complete country intact till now.. its always never late to learn from mistakes

Not too long ago blacks and women were not allowed to vote in western countries so what is your point? We have moved on while India is stuck with racist mentality thats why they dont get along with any of their neighbors.

 

[Viking 63]

Did anyone cared to re-read the article?

(Link: given on the first post)

"
Correction: This post originally indicated that, according to the World Values Survey, 71.7 percent of Bangladeshis and 71.8 percent of Hong Kongers had said that they would not want a neighbor of a different race. In fact, those numbers appear to be substantially lower, 28.3 percent and 26.8 percent, respectively. In both cases, World Values appears to have erroneously posted the incorrect data on its Web site. Ashirul Amin, posting at the Tufts University Fletcher School’s emerging markets blog, looked into the data for Bangladesh and discovered the mistake. My thanks to Amin, who is Bangladeshi and was able to read the original questionnaire, for pointing this out.
"

Someone found that WVS or WaPo have messed up the analysis. The article links to their blog.

Now I followed their reasoning and looked at the survey data itself which is available here (Source : google worldvaluessurvey).

There are two entries for India in their latest surveys. Mind you India is only country with this anomaly.

One suggests (2012, sample size 4078) about 25 % of Indians do not want people of different race living in their neighborhood. Another (2014, size 1581) suggests about 40.9 %. Which one is correct? One is more recent but other has much larger sample size. Secondly, surveys in India were taken in English while those in Pakistan were taken in Urdu. This makes random sampling totally broken in the case of India. What that means is that you are limiting your sample to 10.56% of Indian population (Source : Wikipedia) . Hindi might have been a better choice. No wonder they get so much varried results.

My take has always been on these social surveys is that they are as common as dog stool and about as useful. Trying to measure behaviour of 1.25 billion people using about 1500/4078 samples. Well good luck with any useful results.

Lastly, looking at the Maps they post on their site, it appears that they have mixed both the surveys giving 29% of Indians not wanting to live next to a person of different race.



They actually had a question like this. Pakistan got around 12% of people saying that they dont want to live near someone speaking a different language.



I dont know which is bigger idiocy. Fighting over caste or demanding separate states or nation based on religion. Both are absolutely arbitrary social constructs which exists only in your head. Unlike race. And by race I mean skin color.


Apparently, they were wrong in crunching numbers. Re-read the article. However, we have just discovered a stereotyping bigot.

Listen you ignorant bitch, before you start calling names i have actually lived in Hong kong for 7 years unlike you who I'm certain never stepped out her village. I know these people too well. Bengalis on other hand .don't get me started!!

 

[Deepika Maheshwari]

Listen you ignorant bitch, before you start calling names i have actually lived in Hong kong for 7 years unlike you who I'm certain never stepped out her village. I know these people too well. Bengalis on other hand .don't get me started!!

Anecdotal data is never a proof of anything. May be you lived in the worst parts of HK - I heard that HK rentals/real estate are pretty costly - and may be you talked to Bengalis like you are currently talking to me. Personal experiences are well, personal. About me never stepping out of my village - well in my small existence of 26 years I have lived in almost every part of India and in Australia, UK, Japan and Belgium for about an year or so at a go. I guess I never stepped out of the global village called earth.

 

[ebrahym]

sympathetic to our cause of fighting terrorism

In 1956 in a ceremony in Israeli embassy in france Israeli ambassador quoted that we have defeated Arabs and now our only ideological Rival remaining is Pakistan and we have to team up with India to neutralize them
but over the course of time it was proved that there is not much damage Pakistan can do to Israel
and now yes Indo-Israel ties are more economic than strategic

Pakistanis as racist

i think it has more to do with relogion as Islam is anti-rascist and most Pakistanis identifies themselves as muslims rather than their race
however Pathan-Punjabi rivalry is traditional and saw an uplift during the 90s
but everything is now anti-racist
i m the biggest example of that
i m half pathan and half punjabi

Anecdotal data is never a proof of anything

bingo
but still many indians claim their superiority based on Anecdotal Data over us

ignorant bitch

Exactly the first thing which came into my mind when i saw this thread. A country made for Muslims which used to be considered a saperate race that time. Moreover every other thread here is infested with racial slurs by Pakistanis. Even if Indians were more racist than Pakistanis, the difference can't be that huge

because most pakistanis identify themselves as Muslims only
read my above post sir

 

[shhh]

Nope I am not supporting either.

Buying weapons is a simple need based decision - Israel has decent weapon systems and they are ready to sell them; we need weapons as we can not manufacture them locally and lastly they seem to be somewhat sympathetic to our cause of fighting terrorism. We do not buy weapons from them to support their economy or to support religion. We buy weapons from them to defend ourselves. Incidentally, Israel has sold aircraft technology to China as well - A certain Lavi project which perhaps inspired J-10 design. The same Chinese are now supplying weapons to Iran. Why did Israeli do so? I guess Chinese were generous in payments.

Coming back to my point, I was merely wondering which is a bigger stupidity. Demanding separate nations based on religion or fighting over Caste. Both of them are arbitrary concepts with nothing physical to support them. A Hindu or Muslim can not be distinguished if they are of same 'race' and so are people from different castes. A distinction based on skin color may actually seem more 'natural' as in based on something which is possibly immutable and easily distinguishable.

If you think that Muslims and Hindus cannot be differentiated then you are accepting that their is nothing special about Hinduism - no offence, because Muslims can easily be differentiated from other religions, just like every other religion.

 

[Deepika Maheshwari]

If you think that Muslims and Hindus cannot be differentiated then you are accepting that their is nothing special about Hinduism - no offence, because Muslims can easily be differentiated from other religions, just like every other religion.

There is nothing special about any religion in particular. All are essentially fairy tales packaged with prevailing politics and some sort of morals relevant at that time. Not saying that religion is useless - it has its purpose; but religion is not grand enough to be basis for a nation and religion alone cannot hold a nation together. Ideally religion should not be running a nation but then many people attempt it with sometimes disastrous results.

As far as visible difference between Hindus and Muslims go - firstly religious state of a person is mutable. Secondly - one can easily be confused for other. You know there are a number of surnames in India and Pakistan that are common between Hindus and Muslims and Sikhs - Chaudhary, Inamdar, Cheema, Chaddha etc. Point is unless you WANT it badly - its very easy for both of them to appear same. Now try passing as a white person if you are black or even brown. This was my point when I said 'religion is all in your head and has no natural or physical basis'. And that is why I feel it is stupid to demand a nation solely on the basis of religion.

The reason perhaps people ask for a separate nation or state is because they fear that some other religion will start setting up the policies that are contrary to their religious believes. Issue here is, perhaps, mixing of religion in policy making. Pakistan - to the best of my understanding - never even attempted to keep religion and policy making separate. India is struggling to keep policy making separate. US perhaps have achieved it - Separation of state and church and all. This separation is imperfect but functional.

You can argue it in other way as well. Islam calls for a ummah but still Arabs want to keep Pakistani and Bangladeshi separate in their country. Bangladeshi who were once Pakistani perhaps are not that inclined to live together with Pakistanis. Hence, I question the efficacy of Islam -or any other religion for that matter- as a binding force for keeping a nation together. What was the point of demanding a nation solely on the basis of religion when the people of same religion aren't exactly that much more inclined to live together.

In 1956 in a ceremony in Israeli embassy in france Israeli ambassador quoted that we have defeated Arabs and now our only ideological Rival remaining is Pakistan and we have to team up with India to neutralize them
but over the course of time it was proved that there is not much damage Pakistan can do to Israel
and now yes Indo-Israel ties are more economic than strategic

bingo
but still many indians claim their superiority based on Anecdotal Data over us

There are many Pakistani who do so as well. I believe if you look around you will find many Bangladeshis who think they are above Indians and Pakistani based on some of their biased personal experiences. We all are united in our ignorance.

 

[LA se Karachi]

There is nothing special about any religion in particular. All are essentially fairy tales packaged with prevailing politics and some sort of morals relevant at that time. Not saying that religion is useless - it has its purpose; but religion is not grand enough to be basis for a nation and religion alone cannot hold a nation together. Ideally religion should not be running a nation but then many people attempt it with sometimes disastrous results.

As far as visible difference between Hindus and Muslims go - firstly religious state of a person is mutable. Secondly - one can easily be confused for other. You know there are a number of surnames in India and Pakistan that are common between Hindus and Muslims and Sikhs - Chaudhary, Inamdar, Cheema, Chaddha etc. Point is unless you WANT it badly - its very easy for both of them to appear same. Now try passing as a white person if you are black or even brown. This was my point when I said 'religion is all in your head and has no natural or physical basis'. And that is why I feel it is stupid to demand a nation solely on the basis of religion.

The reason perhaps people ask for a separate nation or state is because they fear that some other religion will start setting up the policies that are contrary to their religious believes. Issue here is, perhaps, mixing of religion in policy making. Pakistan - to the best of my understanding - never even attempted to keep religion and policy making separate. India is struggling to keep policy making separate. US perhaps have achieved it - Separation of state and church and all. This separation is imperfect but functional.

You can argue it in other way as well. Islam calls for a ummah but still Arabs want to keep Pakistani and Bangladeshi separate in their country. Bangladeshi who were once Pakistani perhaps are not that inclined to live together with Pakistanis. Hence, I question the efficacy of Islam -or any other religion for that matter- as a binding force for keeping a nation together. What was the point of demanding a nation solely on the basis of religion when the people of same religion aren't exactly that much more inclined to live together.



There are many Pakistani who do so as well. I believe if you look around you will find many Bangladeshis who think they are above Indians and Pakistani based on some of their biased personal experiences. We all are united in our ignorance.

That's nice.

Muslim Punjabis, Sindhis, some Pashtuns, Balochis, and Kashmiris want to live together in one country. Sorry if you disapprove, but they did not ask for the input of others. They have no interest in joining India (or any other country). Neither do Nepal, Bangladesh, or Sri Lanka for that matter. Accept that fact. Nothing you say can ever change that.

Enjoy living in your country. Pakistanis will too.

 

[Deepika Maheshwari]

That's nice.

Muslim Punjabis, Sindhis, some Pashtuns, Balochis, and Kashmiris want to live together in one country. Sorry if you disapprove, but they did not ask for the input of others. They have no interest in joining India (or any other country). Neither do Nepal, Bangladesh, or Sri Lanka for that matter. Accept that fact. Nothing you say can ever change that.

Enjoy living in your country. Pakistanis will too.

I have no problem with anyone who want to live together. They can do so. About Kashmiris both on India side and on Pakistan side, they can join them too - but without Kashmir. India has strategic interests that are served with Kashmir, atleast the portion it currently owns - legally or 'illegally' for all I care; that land will remain with India.

My only issue is that when people claim that it is religion that binds them together as a nation, I think they are bullshitting.