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One question comes to mind.
This system is ground based; can it look above the clouds?
This system is ground based; can it look above the clouds?
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Is that a joke or real question?One question comes to mind.
This system is ground based; can it look above the clouds?
Seriously?One question comes to mind.
This system is ground based; can it look above the clouds?
Based on model it’s 9B
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This is perhaps additional missile carrier for reload
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Is that a joke or real question?
Nerender Modi thinks radars cannot see through clouds.
That's why when IAF complained about bad weather when Modi jee ordered "Surgical strike " on Balakot, modi jee told the IAF to "Hide in the clouds " .
Seriously?
The model is not accurate, just a representation.Unfortunately it is HQ-9 or HQ-9A not B,base on your pic 1.
HQ-9/9A:
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HQ-9BE:
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HQ-9P:
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The model is not accurate, just a representation.
USA buys other weapons not because it doesn't have enough quality and capability of it's own, it buys other weapons primarily to train it's Pilots and Military against the real thing they'd face in the future. Additionally, it buy one or more copies of these weapons to come up with Jamming, etc, against them. That's why in Syria, the S-400 hasn't produced even 5% of the results. S-400 on paper declares itself to be able to counter even Hypersonic weapons and high velocity supersonic missiles. I seriously doubt it.
Is Pakistan acquiring the HHQ-9 (naval version) also? How many batteries of HQ-9 are expected to be operational? I keep saying and will say again, Pakistan should acquire some SAM and a BVR missile and setup a new industry and produce it locally in large numbers (especially the SAM).
Unlikely as France is one of the suppliers, they'll probably block it.
That said, the PAF could potentially acquire the CAMM-ER. It has the range (40+ km) to start building out the shorter-side of the PAF's HiMADS (i.e., the same role as the LY-80 in the Army) and complement the Spada-2000-Plus. If the PAF wants a long-range SAM, it could look at the HQ-9BE.
I suppose max range of 250KM is for AWACS , meanwhile it is lesser for fighter jets. ballistic missiles and especially for stealthy targets. However considering countries lesser strategic depth this should suffice high altitude/long range AD requirements.I am still doing my searching .... my preliminary findings indicates that this is not a version of HQ-9BE but export version of HQ-9 SAM (FD-2000)
Following line in press release of ISPR indicates about this possibility, specially if we keep the previous reports of negotiation in mind which started in 2015 as far as I remember, plz also note HQ-9B was not clear for export at that time
Wars are fought by combination of weapons one cannot rely on single system, in case of Syria the air force is almost no where to be seen however their ground AD systems performed satisfactory especially now, they have intercepted so many Missiles despite superior jamming capabilities and modern tactics of adversaries. The SAMs installed in Syria are mostly of previous generation i.e S200. Pantsir. Buk and perhaps few batteries of S300 which are down graded versions, meanwhile the capabilities of Syrian air defense personnel may also be questionable. however now Russia in recent past has reportedly installed ground based EW systems which were able to deflect large number of Israeli missiles from their original targets. If capable SAMs are combined with jets and EW gadgets even then one cannot guarantee 100% countering of adversary missiles/jets.Iranian SAMs have been blasted to pieces by the Israeli/US airforce since the last decade in Syria/Iraq. When did Iran ever shoot down even 1 US/Israeli jet in the last 4 decades? dont fool yourself
Iranian airforce is obsolete with almost no BVR capable aircraft, except for the dozen F14 tomcats that still have to rely on 60s era Phoenix missiles
Iran has invested heavily in SAMS no doubt, but they have yet to be capable so far as to shoot a harmless drone down... Pakistan still relies mostly on its Fighter jets compared to its SAM systems. Even with the introduction of HQ9 batteries full focus will remain the PAF.
At the end of the day fighter jets have far too many hands up their sleaves against SAM systems. If SAMs were so effective then why do major powers still invest in their fighter jets? Everyone should follow the Irani model and just build SAMS with almost no airforce
PAF SAMs so far are for specifically to protect PAF bases/installations specifically meanwhile Army air defense is there to protect whole country/civil installations also,Why PaF, PA are looking for separate Air defence networks ? Why not a single air defence command which serve both PAF and PA needs and function on national level.
Unfortunately it is HQ-9 or HQ-9A not B,base on your pic 1.
HQ-9/9A:
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HQ-9BE:
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HQ-9P:
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On lighter note with discounts and perhaps with some upgrades to make it effective. As it was stated in social media in recent past that HQ9 is much expensive system and is out of reach for Pakistan or China is reluctant to provide systems on discounted rates/long credit line basis.HQ9A has been discontinued for 3 years, China is unlikely to restart production lines.
If Pakistan buys HQ9A, there are only two possibilities. 1st, it's second-hand. 2nd, Pakistan bought HQ9A very early.
Generally, restarting a weapons production line is very expensive, I think that is much higher than the price difference between HQ9A and HQ9B.On lighter note with discounts and perhaps with some upgrades to make it effective. As it was stated in social media in recent past that HQ9 is much expensive system and is out of reach for Pakistan or China is reluctant to provide systems on discounted rates/long credit line basis.