Viper0011.
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Shalom to you too, it is gratifying to have Americans in PDF who are interesting in Pakistan.
However, while the perception of Israel as a nuclear weapons state is mainly a deterrence Pakistan declared itself as a nuclear weapons state and uses it nuclear capabilities as an umbrella to launch asymmetric war against India: from 1989 and until 26/11. Pakistan's bold only stregthened: at the beginning the terror attacks concentrated against India's presence in Kashmir under the pretext of a freedom struggle. When this terror campaign failed and India still did not show any sign of appeasement the Pakistan Army launched the Kargil Operation in 1999 by using the nuclear umbrella which was presented only a year ago (in the nuclear tests of May 1998).
After a limited military operation failed, Pakistan turned into terror attacks against important targets inside India (and not just in Kashmir) - the Parliament house in December 2001 and the Mumbai terror attack of 26/11 (one of three of such attacks).
On the contrary, Israel have an opaque nuclear policy - it never used the nuclear dimension to gain the advantage in the battlefield. Although Israel was perceived as a nuclear weapons country in 1973 that did not stop both Egypt and Syria to launch a full scale war against Israel.
Moreover, Pakistan is intentionally using its nuclear capabilities in an offensive way - first, as mentioned, to launch terror attacks against India; second, to assist other rogue countries (Iran, North Korea) to develop nuclear weapons and to destabilise current world order; and third, to blackmail the US for more military and economic assistance if the US does not want that the current regime will fall and Pakistan's nuclear bombs will be at the hand of extreme Islamic regime.
As you can see, the psych of the two countries is totally opposite: while Israel maintain an opaque nuclear policy and tried several times to end the conflict with its neighbors and the Palestinians by offering very generous compromises, Pakistan uses its nuclear deterrent to launch terror attacks, to blackmail the US, and to assist radical regimes to threaten peaceful countries. While Israel did its best to achieve some settlement in its region, Pakistan aspire to change completely the balance of power in South Asia and if necessary then to threaten international security.
As for the issue of this thread, I am quite puzzled and amazed by Pakistan aspirations to develop their strategic capabilities: dozens of nuclear reactors, a second nuclear strike, ICBM's, tactical nuclear weapons, and perhaps an hydrogen bomb. This efforts require substantial funds and resources which Pakistan does not have: it is already depends on external economic assistance.
Regardless of the danger of Pakistan's nuclear development to international security, this ambitious effort is more than the minimum nuclear deterrence Pakistan needs against India and which proved itself in the past.
Alright man. I am about 75% positive you are not an Israeli. Just by the nature of your responses. However, I could be wrong or may be American jews have more open insight into things than what they have in Israel. A lot of your arguments are actually flawed and biased towards India.
Now let's start with some reality. You can't clap with one hand. It takes two to do so. I was actually looking at a neutral debate but that's not going to happen after seeing your biased post...
1) Israel's 'deterrence' is because is has probably the fourth best air force in the world. Way ahead of your neighbors or 'enemies' so to speak. How many other air forces can provide about 400 - 500 top line state of the art fighter jets and ranges in minutes? You can conventionally overwhelm your neighbors so why include NW's in the picture? Everyone knows they are there...
Give this to the Pakistanis and you'll see the same thing. NW's will become a back end deterrence as conventionally it'll match the Indians.
2) You were quick to point out all attacks in the Indian history. That tells me you are either an Indian living in Israel or just using Israel's flag. I am opposed to all terror attacks anywhere in the world.
However, define terror attacks for me? Attacks on Indian parliament or Tag hotel are terror attacks....I get that and understand. How about the Christians, Muslims whose houses were burned down when they were sleeping inside....the whole villages were burnt down. It's been a ritual in certain Indian states by fundamental hidus. How come no one ever talks about those?
How about raping of Kashmiri women and girls? open air killing of innocent males (hundreds of thousands of them) that weren't even carrying weapons....? How come no one talks about those as terror attacks?
How about when Israeli tanks shell back when people throw stones at them? Stonnes vs. 120 mm shell in the shape of rain....that's not terror attack to you bro? How about IDF's sound barrier crossing / practices at low altitudes in the Palestinian territory that's resulted in tons of def kids? That's not terror to you? If you have half the humanity I think you do, then you should understand terror against civilians is a terror. It doesn't change for certain countries or certain religions!
So EVERY country with power in my view is a terrorist to some degree. Look at the examples I gave you. There is no such thing as JUST poor Pakistan trying to expand terror. How about the 6000 + bombings and unlimited violence within Pakistan backed up by Indian agencies?? That's not terrorism to you?
You can't put a country or a religion or a group on the spot and blame them 'terrorists' EVERY culture, government and religion has these so called terrorists who love to kill others!!
Let's get back to a more objective debate as the whole 'Pakistan using it's nuclear umbrella for terrorism' is baseless and childish. Read my above paragraph again. Some countries are big, rich and privileged enough that they can name their terrorism related activities to 'self protection' like India and others. Some are unfortunate enough to always be getting the blame for 'supporting terrorism' when they actually help you curb it or expand it when you wanted. Post being is, every country in power does that and supports it through its might!!
Again Israel's 'opaque' policy vs. Pakistan...like I said, the day Pakistan can field 500 front line jets that are state of the art and can match India's af, the NW policy will go in the back as a 'deterrence'. Until then, Pakistan will have a short threshold and constant expansion as that's their national security umbrella. Just like attacking in Palestinian territory and killing 'suspicious' people as a 'right to self defense' Israel is your major policy.
Anyway, like I said, I expected a better debate but the response was very biased. So I won't worry about responding in the future. It's useless to argue with someone who's already made up his mind about something else and isn't willing to learn or share new ideas. That's the idea behind forums.