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Pakistan needs a balanced, not Independent Foreign Policy

How has being a hired gun served Pakistan in the past?
I will not call it hired gun but military cooperation with USA has been beneficial to Pakistan. Though cost was massive and USA has not been truly reliable partner. Cooperation with USA meant that Pakistani military had better weapons and training than India for quite some time. Till very recently, Pakistan's AIM-120C was most capable A2A missile in the subcontinent.

Even now, India's meteor is more expensive, in smaller numbers and is available on a single low-number and expensive platform as compared to F-16 and AIM120C in Pakistan.
 
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I will not call it hired gun but military cooperation with USA has been beneficial to Pakistan. Though cost was massive and USA has not been truly reliable partner. Cooperation with USA meant that Pakistani military had better weapons and training than India for quite some time. Till very recently, Pakistan's AIM-120C was most capable A2A missile in the subcontinent.

Even now, India's meteor is more expensive, in smaller numbers and is available on a single low-number and expensive platform as compared to F-16 and AIM120C in Pakistan.
We are getting PL-15 which will be more capable than our AIM-210C.
 
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Pakistans policies must be decided in Islamabad independent of outside interference.
We can have good relations with both East and west.
We must not be slaves no more to the west
 
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Yet a neighbor right next door gets away with exactly that, i.e. sitting on the fence, balancing. Look further East, a former wing of ours too does the same and gets away just fine. Some introspection is needed to make hay while the sun shines. This is what the rest of the world does.
Impossible under current system.
some people have a poojari mentality for amrika.
Especially people on some specific seats of power!
Talk is cheap. All the nary-baazi is for nought when your basic economic survival is tied to the major powers that be.

If your economic survival is tied to the major powers, then what option do you have except to try to run a FP that is influenced by the major powers? What alternates do you have?


Please re-read the article. It talks about IK's FP as well. It wasn't very balanced either. I agree he tried but the reality of the world is that like others in the past, what he too did was not very successful.
Exactly who tied our economic survival to the US? Those parties and political Govts don't matter as they are the variables that keep changing. Who has been the constant in this equation of instability and weird experimentations all along? To cure a disease, you first have to diagnose the problem correctly.
I always propose
1. Martial Law in current system, Fauji Incorporation should directly rule instead of democracy drama and hiding behind politicians.
Or
2. Rollup this f*g constitution and system and start from scratch after doing mob justice to corrupt and crooks in all institutions.
Who would do justice to the corrupt? That "Fauji incorporation" I am sorry but this corrupt breed is the product of their labs and they are the ones still nurturing these corrupt elite. It suites them well as all power is concentrated under this incorporation, no one dares to even question them and they remain the undisputed king makers. If some people of character and integrity gets and somehow holds onto the power for long enough, then all this musical dance party and never ending honeymoon of this "Fauji incorporation" would come crashing down. Then the people of Pakistan might have control of this country at last!

Answer to all those questions is summed up well in this video. Only 1st sentence in video summarizes the whole point. We have this issue while India doesn't have. That's why we are on opposite trajectory of progress from our neighbors.



 
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How can you have a balanced policy when you are not free to make decisions.

Where do these dumb fcks get their thinking from?
Most probably GHQ! 😜

that means owning the whole show ... good luck getting your generals to sign up for that

the current setup is perfect ... if something goes wrong blame it on the civilians
Perfect for whom? For establishment it's been perfect since inception of Pakistan. For the people of Pakistan! Most probably not!

More importantly - those trying for a balance in foreign policy must first be experts in it. That comes with focused education and experience in that field. Not cricket, politics, businesses, military or otherwise - only a seasoned foreign policy expert who spent his entire life studying and practicing in the field is best placed to define it.
Can some Generals or shady think tanks in GHQ are well qualified and expert enough to devise state's economic and Foreign policies? Even recently seen when COAS publicly overruled and trashed sitting PM's foreign policy to please someone and sacrificed/crucified elected PM IK for that matter.
 
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Lol India even being a US led Quad alliance trades and buy weapons from Russia. India simultaneously fights and trades with China. India has biggest ratio of expatriate manpower and huge business relationships in GCC countries like Saudi Arabia, UAE etc and also have close ties and trade deals with Iran. India buys Apache gunships from US, S400 Sam from Russia, drones from Israel and Fighters from France. US made India offers for their too of the line 4++ Gen fighters with ToT of F-21 (heavily upgraded F sola), Super hornet or F-15. While Pakistan can't get AH-1Z cobras or even the US made engine for Turkish T-129 helicopters.

Now let me know which of the above you can do simultaneously?
Can you get gas from Iran? Even if US doesn't object it! NO
Can you import wheat and oil from Russia and cheap prices?
Can you get AH-1Z and engines for the T-129?
Can you say No to the US because of your own national interests? India just did in case of Russia and Modi is still in the Govt. Never heard of any vote of no confidence against him, or their COAS condemning Russian actions in total disregard of his Government policies. Oh by the way who the hell is COAS in India nowadays? Haven't heard his name before.

Nation's power can't be measured in nukes. If so then Japan is the most pathetic nation on this planet earth. Stop using Japanese or even Korean products. Those "pathetic" people doesn't even have a nuke! Pathetic Malaysians and their cursed palm oil which we consume a lot. Pathetic little Singapore and list goes on.

As our current defense minister once said: koi Sharm Hoti hai, koi haya Hoti hai


Include Turkey to it as well. They can develop their own IFVs, drones, Corvets, Frigates, Radars, Missiles, Gunships, Small weapons etc etc and we love to import from them. They are also upgrading your submarines too. Why? Because the strongest country on Earth can't even design and manufacture a single sensor of any type without some developed country's help
That is because Japan and South Korea are advanced economies.
The West also heavily invests in those countries.

Has the West invested the same amount in Pakistan?

Ha, hardly anything. Or peanuts as General Zia-ul-Haq said.
 
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It's the "beggars can't be choosers" mentality.

It's like telling a woman whose husband beats her that she should stay with the abusive husband and not make him angry because he gives her food and spending money.
Hmm sounds familiar! 🤔
Abusive husband (US) giving some F-Sola, cobras and lollipop of some super cobras as well. Along with some 💰💵, dream retirement plans in the land of the free to the shameless wife (Pakistan, specifically Pakistani elite and people like Bajwa). And the wife starts dancing frantically until she faints and needs an IMF drip.

But this wife can also trample her thousands of kids (approx 80,000) to the death while dancing for her abusive husband and still loves him like crazy even after that. That's called true selfless, unconditional love!
 
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True - but the leader should have right advisors and should listen to and trust their judgement.
Whose the leader exactly? Which leader are you talking about? The puppet leader or the real leader behind the scenes?

Before Pakistan can emulate India’s independent foreign policy, it should work towards emulating India’s economic strength.
Pakistan can't emulate India's economic strength when there is a strong bully mischievous kid toppling regimes right, left and center. First Pakistan needs to emulate India's model of Govt/democracy and cut short it's military establishment to it's proportional size. Then only any Govt here truly work for stability and economic growth of the country.

Can't progress with this spoiled system and imperialistic mindset of brutal suppression with iron hands in the 21st century. Just observe how the current Govt along with the establishment is mindlessly cracking down on the saner voices and the whistleblowers. It's as impossible to imagine happening as 24/36 ministers along with PM taking oath while convicts/released on bails. Our military leadership seems to be still lost in the 1980s!
 
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Has the West invested the same amount in Pakistan?
You cleverly left 90% of my argument unanswered!

So why would west invest that much in Pakistan when as you said Pakistan can be bought in peanuts! A few F-Sola some leftover MRAPs, a few bucks here and there, courses for the officers and great retirement opportunities for civies, uniformed, defectors whoever works for them all alike.

Pakistan might have gotten all it's loans right off by the US for helping in US WoT. They badly needed us but Musharraf settled for his seat of the President as a deal with the US. Those goras know the price tag of each person here and doesn't pay any extra. Whom they can't buy here personally, got killed or removed instead.

So why invest to buy a country when you can subdue the whole country by buying out fealty of some nice powerful "slaves" instead.
 
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Whose the leader exactly? Which leader are you talking about? The puppet leader or the real leader behind the scenes?


Pakistan can't emulate India's economic strength when there is a strong bully mischievous kid toppling regimes right, left and center. First Pakistan needs to emulate India's model of Govt/democracy and cut short it's military establishment to it's proportional size. Then only any Govt here truly work for stability and economic growth of the country.

Can't progress with this spoiled system and imperialistic mindset of brutal suppression with iron hands in the 21st century. Just observe how the current Govt along with the establishment is mindlessly cracking down on the saner voices and the whistleblowers. It's as impossible to imagine happening as 24/36 ministers along with PM taking oath while convicts/released on bails. Our military leadership seems to be still lost in the 1980s!
Whichever leader is smart enough to know how to take charge. Any other only reflects the general stupidity of Pakistanis
 
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Stupid pajeet. Saudi Arabia is 2000 km away. Russia is over 4000 km away. How exactly are we "sandwiched" between Saudi and Russia. No wonder pajeets have the smallest brains in the world. Iran is also a regional and middle power like Pakistan. The only countries really more powerful is your 1.4 billion slum India and China.
You are proving your brains are small. Oman is 200 miles away from Gwadar. Who is Oman going to listen to ? Islamabad or Riyadh. Who are the folks in Tajikistan going to call for security ? Russia or Pakistan. Iran does not play to the dance of the IMF or China.
 
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A great article that addresses this issue of anti-Americanism, espoused by many, head-on despite all the talk by very many of our governments including PTI to have an "independent" FP. When we dig in, which most in the public don't bother with as sloganeering is enough to keep them busy, we realize that Pakistan's options are extremely limited. This is the realpolitik facing Pakistan.


Pakistan needs a balanced, not independent, foreign policy​

A balanced foreign policy would mean a policy of cooperation and co-habitation with all major powers



Syed Abdul Ahad WasimApril 19, 2022


The writer is a Master of Arts in Law and Diplomacy (MALD) candidate at the Fletcher School of Law and Diplomacy, focusing on International Security and International Development

In his last few weeks in office prior to the dissolution of National Assembly, Prime Minister Imran Khan continuously emphasised that under his leadership Pakistan pursued an “independent” foreign policy. In fact, he blamed the pursuit of such an independent foreign policy for his ouster from power as a result of a foreign conspiracy. In his March 31st address to the nation, Imran Khan defined an independent foreign policy in his own words “as one which is meant for Pakistanis” i.e. one that takes into account the aspirations or the will of the people of Pakistan.
If prime minister’s own definition of an independent foreign policy is taken as the guiding light, it would be difficult to make a case that he did actually pursue such an independent foreign policy. For instance, most Pakistanis would want Pakistan to at least condemn Saudi Arabia, the UAE, Bahrain and other Muslim states for normalising diplomatic ties with Israel. Many would want an end to Saudi Arabia’s massacre of fellow Muslims in Yemen. A considerable number would also perhaps want Pakistan to voice concern regarding the treatment of Muslim Uighurs in China. Yet, it is hard to imagine that any government in Pakistan, let alone Imran Khan’s, would stand up to Saudi Arabia or the UAE or China regardless of what the aspirations of the people are.
Is it not then that an “independent foreign policy” is merely another name for defying the West — and the West only?
If so, such an independent foreign policy would only be partially independent because a true independent foreign policy would mean that Pakistan would freely choose its course of action in the best of its interests irrespective of whether such a policy defies not just the West but even the East, including China.
Even a cursory moment of reflection would make it clear that Pakistan cannot pursue such a “truly” independent foreign policy, even if it wishes to.
Under Imran Khan’s watch, Pakistan refused to participate in the Kuala Lumpur Summit under pressure from Saudi Arabia; did not join the global outrage against China’s actions in Hong Kong; did not condemn the murder of journalist Jamal Khashoggi; did not share the worldwide condemnation of the treatment of Uighurs in China; could not expel the French ambassador after French President’s statement calling Islam as problematic despite Imran Khan being a vocal critic of Islamophobia and despite there being country-wide protests; and could not say a word of condemnation on normalisation of ties between Arab states and Israel and had to resign for a cautious reaction, “This is a development with far-reaching implications.”
The point here is not whether Pakistan should have or should not have done all this. The point here is that in international relations, middle or weak powers cannot always do what they wish to do because they are economically, militarily and diplomatically dependent on other powerful states. In other words, they cannot be truly “free” and thus “independent” in conducting their foreign policies. Any politician suggesting otherwise is only doing politics.
Nations are dictated by raison d’état or reason — at least supposedly. For middle powers like Pakistan, reason necessitates the pursuit of balanced, not a fictitious “independent”, foreign policy. Most ordinary Pakistanis miss this simple yet important point, or perhaps they never get told about it because it may be politically unattractive.
A balanced foreign policy would mean a policy of cooperation and co-habitation with all major powers. It would mean that Pakistani policymakers and Pakistanis understand that it is in their interests to have friendly and deep-rooted ties with not only China but with the West too. And for that to happen, we must stop viewing foreign policy from the lens of friend-enemy dichotomy.
West is not necessarily an enemy of Pakistan. And, China is our “permanent” friend only until we serve China’s interests. Beyond “West is enemy” rhetoric, Pakistanis must understand that West is one power pole. Anyone presuming that West’s interests are fundamentally and permanently antithetical to our interests does not understand how power operates in international relations. Because those who do understand the workings of power also understand the simple proposition that the West has its own interests that sometimes align with our interests and sometimes do not. Clichédly put, only thing that is permanent is interests, not enemies or friends. Over the course of our relations with the United States, Pakistan and America have — at more than one instance — deeply, strategically collaborated with each other to pursue mutually beneficial interests. In fact, during the Cold War, the United States was thought of as being closer to Pakistan as India was deemed to be closer to the USSR.
Nor is West necessarily anti-Islam, notwithstanding the legitimate concerns regarding rising Islamophobia. If West was against Islam per se, logic dictates that it should have had the worst of relations with the Muslim-majority countries. But the reality is quite the contrary. America and Europe, for example, have deep-rooted economic, security and diplomatic ties with many Muslim states — especially with the Arabic-speaking Muslim Gulf.
The West — with an over 50 per cent share in global GDP — is as an economic hegemon, and, like other Muslim states, Pakistan too should maintain friendly relations with the West.
In his speeches, Prime Minister Imran Khan also cites India as an example of a country with an independent foreign policy. This too is only rhetorical because in reality Pakistan cannot pursue an independent foreign policy while India can simply because Pakistan is not India. Whereas India is an emerging economic giant with over a billion people, Pakistan is living off bailouts from the West-led international financial institutions. All countries — be they Pakistan’s “enemies” or “friends”, including China — wish to have stronger ties with India because they see it to be mutually beneficial. That gives India the leverage to exercise greater autonomy over its foreign policy. Any comparison between India’s independent conduct of its foreign policy with that of Pakistan’s constrained conduct is only either foolish or politically expedient. Before Pakistan can emulate India’s independent foreign policy, it should work towards emulating India’s economic strength.

Therefore, opposing West in the name of fictitious “independent” foreign policy, and thus unnecessarily intoxicating ties and forgoing important benefits, will be highly imprudent.
Published in The Express Tribune, April 19th, 2022.

Nation have to make up her mind if they are a independent country which looks after her own interests or a country which according to these drawing room experts a country which should be happily serving other countries interests. Since these paid, planted and self serving experts conveniently for got when we were serving other countries interests 80,000 coffins we carried to their graves of our loved ones while them were enriching planting stories. Absolutely pathetic.

When did we opposed the West, we are just saying we want friendship with all the countries bilaterally and don't want to get involve in their conquests of the other countries unilaterally. They want us to join them in the law of the jungle and after each hunt we will clean up their left overs. When there will nothing be left in the jungle then they simply will finish us off too afterwards and leave the sign posts behind "once upon a time there was a country name Pakistan existed".
How these planted experts are trying to mellow us down and are educating us to look the other way while our country is being transformed into their launching pad to drain China. They are back to Pakistan again as India have not got no balls to fight their war with the China and have been huge disappointment for them, while our generals wanted to know how high US wanted us to jump.
How are we opposing the west, did we recalled our ambassadors from any of the western country or refused trade with any of the clever clogs or banned any of their products or simply we are not allowing our traitor generals to lie and deceive us again?
Pakistan only crime is we want to breath ourselves and don't want to serve other countries while we are being nailed to the ventilators economically, militarily and culturally.
Other countries learn from there mistakes and our generals learned how to out fox us again. Shame our generals PR machine was incompetent like them and they got caught out pants down and now that will be utterly balance policy warriors failure.
 
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How has being a hired gun served Pakistan in the past?
Very good
Pakistan developed
We also had zero people dying
While countrid who had independent polciy like taiwan china india bengaldesh etc remianed backward

A great article that addresses this issue of anti-Americanism, espoused by many, head-on despite all the talk by very many of our governments including PTI to have an "independent" FP. When we dig in, which most in the public don't bother with as sloganeering is enough to keep them busy, we realize that Pakistan's options are extremely limited. This is the realpolitik facing Pakistan.


Pakistan needs a balanced, not independent, foreign policy​

A balanced foreign policy would mean a policy of cooperation and co-habitation with all major powers



Syed Abdul Ahad WasimApril 19, 2022


The writer is a Master of Arts in Law and Diplomacy (MALD) candidate at the Fletcher School of Law and Diplomacy, focusing on International Security and International Development

In his last few weeks in office prior to the dissolution of National Assembly, Prime Minister Imran Khan continuously emphasised that under his leadership Pakistan pursued an “independent” foreign policy. In fact, he blamed the pursuit of such an independent foreign policy for his ouster from power as a result of a foreign conspiracy. In his March 31st address to the nation, Imran Khan defined an independent foreign policy in his own words “as one which is meant for Pakistanis” i.e. one that takes into account the aspirations or the will of the people of Pakistan.
If prime minister’s own definition of an independent foreign policy is taken as the guiding light, it would be difficult to make a case that he did actually pursue such an independent foreign policy. For instance, most Pakistanis would want Pakistan to at least condemn Saudi Arabia, the UAE, Bahrain and other Muslim states for normalising diplomatic ties with Israel. Many would want an end to Saudi Arabia’s massacre of fellow Muslims in Yemen. A considerable number would also perhaps want Pakistan to voice concern regarding the treatment of Muslim Uighurs in China. Yet, it is hard to imagine that any government in Pakistan, let alone Imran Khan’s, would stand up to Saudi Arabia or the UAE or China regardless of what the aspirations of the people are.
Is it not then that an “independent foreign policy” is merely another name for defying the West — and the West only?
If so, such an independent foreign policy would only be partially independent because a true independent foreign policy would mean that Pakistan would freely choose its course of action in the best of its interests irrespective of whether such a policy defies not just the West but even the East, including China.
Even a cursory moment of reflection would make it clear that Pakistan cannot pursue such a “truly” independent foreign policy, even if it wishes to.
Under Imran Khan’s watch, Pakistan refused to participate in the Kuala Lumpur Summit under pressure from Saudi Arabia; did not join the global outrage against China’s actions in Hong Kong; did not condemn the murder of journalist Jamal Khashoggi; did not share the worldwide condemnation of the treatment of Uighurs in China; could not expel the French ambassador after French President’s statement calling Islam as problematic despite Imran Khan being a vocal critic of Islamophobia and despite there being country-wide protests; and could not say a word of condemnation on normalisation of ties between Arab states and Israel and had to resign for a cautious reaction, “This is a development with far-reaching implications.”
The point here is not whether Pakistan should have or should not have done all this. The point here is that in international relations, middle or weak powers cannot always do what they wish to do because they are economically, militarily and diplomatically dependent on other powerful states. In other words, they cannot be truly “free” and thus “independent” in conducting their foreign policies. Any politician suggesting otherwise is only doing politics.
Nations are dictated by raison d’état or reason — at least supposedly. For middle powers like Pakistan, reason necessitates the pursuit of balanced, not a fictitious “independent”, foreign policy. Most ordinary Pakistanis miss this simple yet important point, or perhaps they never get told about it because it may be politically unattractive.
A balanced foreign policy would mean a policy of cooperation and co-habitation with all major powers. It would mean that Pakistani policymakers and Pakistanis understand that it is in their interests to have friendly and deep-rooted ties with not only China but with the West too. And for that to happen, we must stop viewing foreign policy from the lens of friend-enemy dichotomy.
West is not necessarily an enemy of Pakistan. And, China is our “permanent” friend only until we serve China’s interests. Beyond “West is enemy” rhetoric, Pakistanis must understand that West is one power pole. Anyone presuming that West’s interests are fundamentally and permanently antithetical to our interests does not understand how power operates in international relations. Because those who do understand the workings of power also understand the simple proposition that the West has its own interests that sometimes align with our interests and sometimes do not. Clichédly put, only thing that is permanent is interests, not enemies or friends. Over the course of our relations with the United States, Pakistan and America have — at more than one instance — deeply, strategically collaborated with each other to pursue mutually beneficial interests. In fact, during the Cold War, the United States was thought of as being closer to Pakistan as India was deemed to be closer to the USSR.
Nor is West necessarily anti-Islam, notwithstanding the legitimate concerns regarding rising Islamophobia. If West was against Islam per se, logic dictates that it should have had the worst of relations with the Muslim-majority countries. But the reality is quite the contrary. America and Europe, for example, have deep-rooted economic, security and diplomatic ties with many Muslim states — especially with the Arabic-speaking Muslim Gulf.
The West — with an over 50 per cent share in global GDP — is as an economic hegemon, and, like other Muslim states, Pakistan too should maintain friendly relations with the West.
In his speeches, Prime Minister Imran Khan also cites India as an example of a country with an independent foreign policy. This too is only rhetorical because in reality Pakistan cannot pursue an independent foreign policy while India can simply because Pakistan is not India. Whereas India is an emerging economic giant with over a billion people, Pakistan is living off bailouts from the West-led international financial institutions. All countries — be they Pakistan’s “enemies” or “friends”, including China — wish to have stronger ties with India because they see it to be mutually beneficial. That gives India the leverage to exercise greater autonomy over its foreign policy. Any comparison between India’s independent conduct of its foreign policy with that of Pakistan’s constrained conduct is only either foolish or politically expedient. Before Pakistan can emulate India’s independent foreign policy, it should work towards emulating India’s economic strength.
Pakistan needs a balanced, not independent, foreign policy at least at this point in its history. It should actively work towards maintaining friendly ties with all those countries that can maximise its own benefits. Therefore, opposing West in the name of fictitious “independent” foreign policy, and thus unnecessarily intoxicating ties and forgoing important benefits, will be highly imprudent.
Published in The Express Tribune, April 19th, 2022.
Incredible
It make sense now
 
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