Featured Pakistan Navy Type 054AP Frigates - Update, News & Discussion

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PNS Taimur of the Pakistan Navy called on Colombo port today for a 3 day visit. According to the SLN, the frigate is expected to conduct a bilateral exercise before her departure on Monday ( Aug,15).



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Was this ship denied by Bangladesh government on Chittagong port?

 

[Pakistan Ka Beta]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1558131060830904322

 

[ABBASIA]

Was this ship denied by Bangladesh government on Chittagong port?

Indian media reported the port of call as well but could not get its name clearly

 

[LKJ86]

Via @开心包子铺分铺 from Weibo

 

[TNT]

The CIWS is on the side in these frigates, isnt that an awkward place? It means missiles coming from the other side cant be hit by CIWS. Or are there two CIWS?

 

[S10]

The CIWS is on the side in these frigates, isnt that an awkward place? It means missiles coming from the other side cant be hit by CIWS. Or are there two CIWS?

There is a unit of Type 1130 on each side of the ship.

 

[ghazi52]

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Latest images of Warship No. 4 of the Tughril-class (Type 054AP) of guided missile and air defence frigates, PNS Shahjahan (F-254), fitting out at Hudong-Zhonghua shipyard in Shaghai, China for the Pakistan Navy.

 

[Irfan Baloch]

Was this ship denied by Bangladesh government on Chittagong port?

yes, Modi and Hassina threw barrels and drums through their Dinghies to deny it the access to the port.

 

[monitor]

Was this ship denied by Bangladesh government on Chittagong port?

what are you talking about ?? any source?

 

[Tank131]

The CIWS is on the side in these frigates, isnt that an awkward place? It means missiles coming from the other side cant be hit by CIWS. Or are there two CIWS?

The CIWS are actually im an ideal placement. It gives ~270 degrees firing arc for each Tpye 1130 (one per side). which is far better than the dumb location of a single Phalanx on the Yarmooks.

Yarmooks have a single phalanx on therear starboard side of the ship, right behind a smokestack (which would prevent the gun from shootinf forward. The gun could theoretically cover rerlar half of the ship but anything to the front of the stacks is unprotected without shooting up the ship.

 

[TNT]

The CIWS are actually im an ideal placement. It gives ~270 degrees firing arc for each Tpye 1130 (one per side). which is far better than the dumb location of a single Phalanx on the Yarmooks.

Yarmooks have a single phalanx on therear starboard side of the ship, right behind a smokestack (which would prevent the gun from shootinf forward. The gun could theoretically cover rerlar half of the ship but anything to the front of the stacks is unprotected without shooting up the ship.

Yes one on each side is ideal. 1130 is actually really good.

 

[Irfan Baloch]

what are you talking about ?? any source?

source is most likely in his head.

 

[arslank03]

The CIWS are actually im an ideal placement. It gives ~270 degrees firing arc for each Tpye 1130 (one per side). which is far better than the dumb location of a single Phalanx on the Yarmooks.

Yarmooks have a single phalanx on therear starboard side of the ship, right behind a smokestack (which would prevent the gun from shootinf forward. The gun could theoretically cover rerlar half of the ship but anything to the front of the stacks is unprotected without shooting up the ship.

except such an arrangement would require two CIWS. The entire point is the rear-firing position provides a better engagement zone. Even then, in a combat scenario, ships will maneuver to ensure optimal firing positions for their defensive systems. Im sure you are more clued up on this than the Navy. The Yarmook class is an OPV foremost with a secondary strike role, the only reason it even gets the strike role and defensive systems is because they are left over from the Tariq class, thats IT. Its perfectly sufficient and will do the job just fine. The front is reserved for a RWS.

 

[Tank131]

except such an arrangement would require two CIWS. The entire point is the rear-firing position provides a better engagement zone. Even then, in a combat scenario, ships will maneuver to ensure optimal firing positions for their defensive systems. Im sure you are more clued up on this than the Navy. The Yarmook class is an OPV foremost with a secondary strike role, the only reason it even gets the strike role and defensive systems is because they are left over from the Tariq class, thats IT. Its perfectly sufficient and will do the job just fine. The front is reserved for a RWS.

Yes i am aware of what you say. But look at the location and design of the ship. With the double stack. It limits the firing arc of a CIWS. Furthermore the location allows only the rear half of the starboard sode to be covered and part of the stern. The entire port side is unprotected. Even the Azmats have a single AK630 in the rear protecting them but they have a full arc of 180-270 degrees of the rear/side protection because the location allows for it. Now thos could likely be overcome by using a AK630 as the front gun of the Yarmooks (like type 022 FACs) instead of the SMASH rcws. The ship is an OPV as you say, but it is supposed to double as a corvette which should have better protection. Frankly, the Azmat class it better design (albeit too small to have the range fulfill the opv role). I think that is why the add on order was for an entirely different design.

 

[arslank03]

Yes i am aware of what you say. But look at the location and design of the ship. With the double stack. It limits the firing arc of a CIWS. Furthermore the location allows only the rear half of the starboard sode to be covered and part of the stern. The entire port side is unprotected. Even the Azmats have a single AK630 in the rear protecting them but they have a full arc of 180-270 degrees of the rear/side protection because the location allows for it. Now thos could likely be overcome by using a AK630 as the front gun of the Yarmooks (like type 022 FACs) instead of the SMASH rcws. The ship is an OPV as you say, but it is supposed to double as a corvette which should have better protection. Frankly, the Azmat class it better design (albeit too small to have the range fulfill the opv role). I think that is why the add on order was for an entirely different design.

It is a pointless exercise. Gun-based CIWS are not particularly great against Hypersonics, or even high-speed subsonic missiles. They will cause significant damage to the vessel even if intercepted. A subsonic target drone crashed into the hull of a Ticonderoga after being intercepted by a Phalanx, it killed a few sailors since it managed to pierce it. In the same way, the soviets launched a Termit against a corvette with a gun CIWS, it destroyed the ship. The Phalanx is also significantly more capable than the AK-630. Adding an AK630 on to the ship also complicates ammo supply line, guidance, radars, illuminators, etc. This is why the US switched to RAM, the Chinese use a mixed loadout on their higher-end vessels, or just missile-based PMDS on their lighter ones, alongside Yarmook Batch 2 getting missile-based PMDS. Even F22Ps would be significantly better off with RIM-116, they are basically sitting ducks in our threat environment. Azmats get their survivability from their small size and agility.