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Pakistan Navy to get US frigate

August 08, 2009

LAHORE: USS McInerney, a US Navy frigate, is slated for transfer to Pakistan following its decommissioning, a report in the Stars and Stripes, a US military newspaper, said on Friday.

The 30-year-old vessel will fly the flag of Pakistan after retirement from the US Navy next year.

Countries such as Pakistan can be granted US ships no longer in commission. The required repairs or alterations are paid for with US foreign military aid. The cost for the vessel’s refurbishments, including anti-submarine missile defence, is set at $65 million. daily times monitor

Daily Times - Leading News Resource of Pakistan
 
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Pakistan Navy to get US frigate

August 08, 2009

LAHORE: USS McInerney, a US Navy frigate, is slated for transfer to Pakistan following its decommissioning, a report in the Stars and Stripes, a US military newspaper, said on Friday.

The 30-year-old vessel will fly the flag of Pakistan after retirement from the US Navy next year.

Countries such as Pakistan can be granted US ships no longer in commission. The required repairs or alterations are paid for with US foreign military aid. The cost for the vessel’s refurbishments, including anti-submarine missile defence, is set at $65 million. daily times monitor

Daily Times - Leading News Resource of Pakistan

i thought it was already de-commissioned!
 
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Pakistan Navy receives old frigates from US. This 21st century is the most advanced technology in which we currently live today, why would our PN continue to get OLD ships from US even though it was retired already? Is that helpful for our capabilities in sea wars? :blink:

i.e- Type-054A recently we received from China & F-22 frigates development are excellent choices.

buddy, OHP class frigate is one of the best for its money! F-22P is still infirior to OHP, and not to mention Turkey will be upgrading theirs with latest indigenous systems and so will be pakistan. If i was PN i would have not bought F-22P.
 
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buddy, OHP class frigate is one of the best for its money! F-22P is still infirior to OHP, and not to mention Turkey will be upgrading theirs with latest indigenous systems and so will be pakistan. If i was PN i would have not bought F-22P.

boss will America will be willing or was willing to provides pakistan 6 Oliver perry frigates then its fine if not i think F22p is the best choice with its price tag with one OHP what u gona do fight pirates . Turkey frigate are still under construction F22p is different class then OHP < 2500 tones and OHP is > 4000 tones .
F 22p will provides us an opportunity to build our infrastructure which we are doing and then we will be able to get tot from turkey, china or any other country who is willing.:china::pakistan:
 
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buddy, OHP class frigate is one of the best for its money! F-22P is still infirior to OHP, and not to mention Turkey will be upgrading theirs with latest indigenous systems and so will be pakistan. If i was PN i would have not bought F-22P.

sir i guess it was once the best buy for its money, not any longer!
let us have a quick look at the deal,

the million that we are going to pay is just for a platform with no weapons on it. the ship will be stripped of its mein armament before it is deleviered to PN, it includes guns and missile launch platform that was its main edge over F22p!
all the weapon systems and there control equipment will have to be installed. i agree that Turkey is going to upgrade there fleet of OHPs and we could have benefited from there experience but there is no sign of any such deal. more over in addition to the
million, it is estimated that an equal amount will have to be spend for weapon integration and upgrades that will make it cost something around 120-130 million dollar. even though it is still cheaper then the F22p but here we must consider the value and not just the cost! the OPH are a good 20-25 year old and will be kept floating for anoth seven to ten years whereas the F22p are here to stay for good time. now i dont think that it is a wise choice to spend some 130 million on a platform that will service for some ten years then spending 170 on the one that can be good for as long as 25-30 years!
the F22p is a modren frigate and is equipped with good modren weapon and control systems! the CIWS onboard is reported amont the Dutch Goalkeeper class, the SAM system is also fine! the main gun is modified for stelth feature and the list goes on...
another key point is thaat the F22p is reported to gained form some stealth features developed for Chines type 54. these points make it good for the money and a valuable buy indeed!
i agree that it will add a heavy weight capability to PN but the weight is considered so that it will be able to carry more weapons and specially cruise missiles. i hope that we are able to do so as it wont be commimg by default anymore and thus PN will have to spend some good time and money to bring it on par to the standards being set in indian ocean!!
i hope i made my point clear!

regards!
moreover sir what about choppers onboard, no news of aanything comming form US for the OHP so what will be our choices in this dept! are we going to adopt the old sea king platform that the PN is already planning to retire??
 
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the biggest point for me in favour of F22p is:
it have adopted good stealth features reducing the RCS significantly. it is there in the hull, the main gun and even in deck design. even though it is not virtually undetectable or completely stealth but sure in a good step towards it and have a significantly reduced radar cross-section!!

while what goes wron for OHP in my view is:
they are old platform and will be serving us for very little time as compared to F22p
we will have to spend good time and money in order to equipthem wiht modren weapons.
i doubt we will be able to fire cruise missiles from these platforms anythime soon and this was there main advantage!

regards!
 
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sorry guys to say but i think F-22P acquisition is a very bad decision. its a upgraded platform designed in 1980s and now its nothing but a upgraded light frigate which will be a bait for IN much superior frigates..
700+ million dollars is a huge amount of money! you can not simply invest in substandard frigates and think you have got your self a future weapon! If PN plans to conduct deep strike penetration against IN then its nothing but a sucidal.. however it can be a good platform against IN light class warships such as patrol crafts, Missiles boats, Corvette etc...
Now finally US has agreed to supply its first OHP to pakistan, meaning PN original plan to induct somthing like 6 is in the time frame.. Harpoon, mk-46 and mk-50 torpedos, and Phalanx are clearly superior weapons then F-22P can offer... i have also came across Pakdef.info members who have talked with naval officers said that they are not really satisfied with F-22P...
IMO PN was merely looking for quantity then quality..
the project is not even like in the shape of JF-17 which we have worked very closely with Chinese in joint cooperation..
 
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the biggest point for me in favour of F22p is:
it have adopted good stealth features reducing the RCS significantly. it is there in the hull, the main gun and even in deck design. even though it is not virtually undetectable or completely stealth but sure in a good step towards it and have a significantly reduced radar cross-section!!
Please provide a source to substantiate this claim. F22P has only some very modest stealth features. I doubt its RCS is very much better than the Type 053H3 from which it derives. It certainly is not a stealth ship.
 
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the million that we are going to pay is just for a platform with no weapons on it. the ship will be stripped of its mein armament before it is deleviered to PN, it includes guns and missile launch platform that was its main edge over F22p! all the weapon systems and there control equipment will have to be installed.
This is a blatant non-truth that has been proven wrong time and time again and which you keep perpetuating nonetheless. Witness all earlier transfers of Perry and other destroyer and frigate class ships to foreign navies. Besides, it makes no military and budget sense to the suppliers i.e. the Americans
Stripping a ship prior to transfer would costs the US money and would not help the receiving US-ally (and therefor not the US).

more over in addition to the million, it is estimated that an equal amount will have to be spend for weapon integration and upgrades that will make it cost something around 120-130 million dollar.
Again, blatant non-truth. 65 million dollars would be needed to make a 'hot transfer' of e.g. McInerney to PN. Essentially, the ship is handed over directly from one navy user to the other navy user with no non-active period in between. And as you just pointed out before: there is no upgradeprogram envisionedas yet. So what are you going on about contradicting yourself from one sentence to the next?

even though it is still cheaper then the F22p but here we must consider the value and not just the cost! the OPH are a good 20-25 year old and will be kept floating for anoth seven to ten years whereas the F22p are here to stay for good time. now i dont think that it is a wise choice to spend some 130 million on a platform that will service for some ten years then spending 170 on the one that can be good for as long as 25-30 years!
Of course
1) it is 65million rather than 130 million dollars.
2) there are 6 ships to replace, of which F22P will account for 4, leaving 2 that the Perry's coudl usefully replace in the interim.
3) 4-6 perrys plus 4 F22p is 8-10 ships, which is a fleet expansion in the short run.
4) 4 new ships e.g. more F22P or MILGEM or other could be built in Pakistan to replace the Perry's in due course (but: the new ships arent'going to be built IN PAKISTAN overnight). You cannot uncouple frigate purchases from the development of a domestic naval building capability

the F22p is a modren frigate and is equipped with good modren weapon and control systems! the CIWS onboard is reported amont the Dutch Goalkeeper class, the SAM system is also fine! the main gun is modified for stelth feature and the list goes on...
As is, it is a poorer ASW ships than Perry, which has better sonar and 2 SH-60 helicopters. Also Perry's main radars and EW and communication and combat management equipment are at least equal to if not better than thoe of F22P

moreover sir what about choppers onboard, no news of aanything comming form US for the OHP so what will be our choices in this dept! are we going to adopt the old sea king platform that the PN is already planning to retire??

Australia and Spain operate SH60 SeaHawks on their Perry's. Turkey - like Taiwan - got SH70B2 Seahawks to use on theirs. Egypt and Poland got Kaman SH2G Seasprite for theirs. Bahrein however uses Bo-105, which it already used on its much smaller missile corvettes.

I see no reason whatsoever why PN couldn't use its current Westland SeaLynxes or A&#233;rospatiale SA-319B Alouette III from a Perry, or even the Harbin Z-9EC newly acquired from china in case there is no seperate helicopter purchase from the US.
 
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Horrible, horrible idea!! Bad for Pakistan, bad for Pakistan navy! Good for commissions $$$
 
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Muse friend it's pretty damn good frigate!Even if someone is getting comission the deal is good at 66 million.
 
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