Pakistan Navy Questions Thread

[Thorough Pro]

how fucked up is that sentence? World does not revolve around india.

1. cost
2. indian influence, india will not allow any one to sell us via its huge procurement open tender process.
india is procuring worth 250 billion dollars of weapons from different countries

 

[Vazir]

But is Babur bring fitted on the F-22Ps?

Shouldn't be a problem considering it is fundamentally the same missile (i.e. YJ-8x). That said, the PN doesn't have a need for such a missile. The C-805 is good for land-attack, but the F-22Ps need the C-802 to take on ships (via the terminal stage seeker). For land-attack, the PN has the Babur.

 

[Bilal Khan (Quwa)]

But is Babur bring fitted on the F-22Ps?

The PN equips ships to carry out specific roles. The F-22P's purpose is to engage enemy surface ships and submarines, not hit targets on land. For hitting targets on land, the PN will equip the Hangor submarines with the Babur-3 SLCM. Basically, there's no need for arming the F-22P with the C-805 or even Babur (the PN will have the Hangor for land-strike).

 

[Vazir]

Got it. And one more thing. Does Pakistan have the ability to, in an unconventional move, deny ships access to Persian Gulf and in effect blockade Iran from one side? Hypothetical scenario.
I also want to know if we could hold it that way in a war.

 

[Readerdefence]

Got it. And one more thing. Does Pakistan have the ability to, in an unconventional move, deny ships access to Persian Gulf and in effect blockade Iran from one side? Hypothetical scenario.
I also want to know if we could hold it that way in a war.

I'm not much experienced to answer this bro but hypothetically saying why you want us
To block Iran as even its not easy for USA to fully block them until unless to go for a
Full blown war
I hope you don't mind my reply

 

[Vazir]

I'm not much experienced to answer this bro but hypothetically saying why you want us
To block Iran as even its not easy for USA to fully block them until unless to go for a
Full blown war
I hope you don't mind my reply

Yeah, but I'm wondering if we can put a blockade on Iran and whether Iran can lift that blockade or not?

HASHMI/VAZIR

 

[Army research]

Yeah, but I'm wondering if we can put a blockade on Iran and whether Iran can lift that blockade or not?

HASHMI/VAZIR

Look man Iran has Alot of asymmetrical solutions they are developing to counter an American blockade. Although one might say they can't stop either an American blockade and ours, they know they can't so are developing ways of hurting us ie cruise missile volleys and land batteries mini subs etc , although they're effectiveness can be doubted they can surely harm PN enough as to deter us. Basically it's a hypothetical indo pak scenario with Pakistan as India and Iran as Pakistan, hypothetically India has enough impressive naval power to blockade us hence our doctrine is solely developed to counter this with asymmetrical means eg submarines SLCM cruise missiles etc
Hope this sums it up

 

[The Diplomat]

I was reading about Pakistan Navy on Wikipedia today and came across the PN fleet and on the submarines section it said "Indigenous Nuclear Submarine" and on the notes section it said "According to the Navy officials, the project is extremely ambitious, and the first submarine will be locally built in Pakistan. The project is estimated to complete in 5 to 8 years, according to Navy." With the projected date being 2017-2022.
Can anyone spread some light or is it just edited by some one?
Link: Pakistan Navy Nuclear Submarine
@Bilal Khan (Quwa)

 

[Bilal Khan (Quwa)]

I was reading about Pakistan Navy on Wikipedia today and came across the PN fleet and on the submarines section it said "Indigenous Nuclear Submarine" and on the notes section it said "According to the Navy officials, the project is extremely ambitious, and the first submarine will be locally built in Pakistan. The project is estimated to complete in 5 to 8 years, according to Navy." With the projected date being 2017-2022.
Can anyone spread some light or is it just edited by some one?
Link: Pakistan Navy Nuclear Submarine
@Bilal Khan (Quwa)

We've heard murmurs of a SSN/SSGN project, but today's emphasis is on inducting the Hangor-class AIP submarine with nuclear-tipped cruise missiles, such as Babur-3. It's also important to understand that essentials to submarine warfare - such as low-acoustics and safety - are very difficult to achieve in SSN designs. If Pakistan is still serious about this program, it will take its time before moving ahead with construction. @Oscar

 

[Advocate Pakistan]

We've heard murmurs of a SSN/SSGN project, but today's emphasis is on inducting the Hangor-class AIP submarine with nuclear-tipped cruise missiles, such as Babur-3. It's also important to understand that essentials to submarine warfare - such as low-acoustics and safety - are very difficult to achieve in SSN designs. If Pakistan is still serious about this program, it will take its time before moving ahead with construction. @Oscar

Indeed, nuclear powered submarines would need the miniaturized nuclear power plants to be developed and tested. It was believed that Pakistan has settled not to induct nuke submarine rather use nuke tipped Babur from conventional submarines. However, the blacklisting of some Pakistani defence related entities by US sometime ago has revitalized the debate somewhat.

 

[Signalian]

Its a pity Pakistan doesn't concentrate much on amphibian warfare. A COIN war made Pakistan raise specialized Light Infantry units (LCB), maybe an amphibious conflict will make Pakistan raise better equipped amphibious units.

 

[IHK_PK]

Dear friends,
I Need to answer a legal question and please take it as most urgent.

Short background is that a Pak Navy ship docked at a port in Italy 2 or 3 years ago, a PN sailor, who actually wanted to settle in Europe for financial reasons, desserted the ship and asked for Asylum in EU on the grounds that since he desserted his job now from PN, he will be punished if went back.

We know that dessertion in war time may have a death penalty but what is generally the punishment for dessertion in peacetime?
The deserter belongs to a village and villagers say no one from Navy came to look for the person in question, means Navy is not actively pursuing the case, If the person is deported from Europe now, what awaits him in Pakistan ?

We need to answer this question for my client which is an European Embassy in Pakistan.

Thanking you, I remain.
IHK.

 

[Signalian]

@Rashid Mahmood @Bilal Khan 777

Respected Sirs,

1. Considering that P-3 Orions are of US origin, can they be be armed with Aim-120 AMRAAM ?

P-3 Orion can detect air and surface targets through the AN/APS-137 Synthetic Aperture Radar (SAR) and Inverse Synthetic Aperture Radar (ISAR) system. It has functions like Periscope/Surface Search, Fine Range Resolution, Rapid Scan , Track While Scan (TWS) modes and Moving Target Indicator (MTI) with a range of 350+ Km. P-3 Orion has another radar, APS-115 Maritime Surveillance Radar, though I am not sure if it has modes suitable for launching an air to air missile. If i am not wrong, Harpoon has the same guidance system as AMRAAM and is a BVR missile though its air to surface when armed on P-3.

The E/O pods, or IRST, carried on P-3 Orion are ASX-4 Advanced Imaging Multispectral Sensor (AIMS) and ASX-6 Multi-Mode Imaging System (MMIS). Can these systems be used to lock and fire AMRAAM ?

Aim-9 has been tested on P-3 and maybe could be carried as self defense missile. I am not aware if PN P-3 Orions are capable of carrying Aim-9 ?

Lastly, does P-3 Orion carry an EW/jamming suite like PAF's Falcon DA-20, which can help PN /PAF fighters in air combat by creating an EW and jamming environment over the seas ?



2. The ATR-72 MPA has been fitted with Leonardo Seaspray 7300E active electronically-scanned array (AESA) radar, "Elettronica" electronic support measures (ESM) suite, FLIR Systems Star SAFIRE III electro-optical and infrared (EO/IR) turret.

Can ATR-72 be fitted with Aim-9 or Aim-120 ?
And can it also take part in creating an EW and Jamming environment ?

I am asking this because these 2 types of Maritime surveillance and ASW aircrafts are very few in number, can be deployed for long duration and ranges above the seas, and if attacked and downed will result in hampering PN's ASW and MP capability.

 

[Rashid Mahmood]

PN operates ASW, ASV and AEW P-3Cs.


They are not fitted for AAM's. Even if they are, these aircraft are not capable of a close range air to air combat.
These aircraft are designed to operate alone and are aware of enemy fighters closing in.

 

[Humble Analyst]

Its a pity Pakistan doesn't concentrate much on amphibian warfare. A COIN war made Pakistan raise specialized Light Infantry units (LCB), maybe an amphibious conflict will make Pakistan raise better equipped amphibious units.

Landing for retaking own area or having a sea approach to which coast ours or potential enemy coast?