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It seems you didn’t like my example so couldn’t find a proper response. Your real problem is that; you see yourself flying above the clouds with forming arrogant sentences, while approaching anybody out of yourself with an underestimating mindset with showing some specific examples China made great progress. When somebody introduced somerhing which make you think like “How can a country like X developing something similar to what “mighty” China has met difficulty to produce”, You need to interfere the discussion and latet converting discussion with asking “How can you compare mighty China” as if somebody quoted you or mentioned about yourself and so you start to give your opponents some tech lecture as if you have any idea what you are talking. Have you ever asked yourself Why do Turkey need an intercontinental ballistic missiles ? Just waste of money, time and resources. Turkey has envisaged a roadway to develop missiles up to 2500km range and I am sorry but You couldn’t see them until Turkish authority gave permission since they are classified programs. I know You want some pissing contest to feel better but I would rather reminding your lacking part in your logic.
It's interesting how DefenceTurkey is still noting how the 4th Pakistani MILGEM will be different from the first 3 (and designed in Pakistan with Turkish support). I wonder, what are the chances that the 4th MILGEM ends up becoming a variant of the I-Class... What say you @Tank131, you think we can will this into existence, like we did with VLS?
To be honest India, much like Pakistan labels its ships with semantics rather than capabilities. India actually (capabilities wise) has 9 destroyers (Kolkata (3) Dehli (3 and Shivalik (3 but they label them as frigates)) and 14 Frigates (Rajput (4 which they label destroyers) Talwar (6-actually a heavy frigate), Brahmaputra (3), and Godavari (1)). Most of these also focus on Antiship and land attack with really only Kolkatas offering reasonable long range (100km Barak 8) air defense while the others carry either short range defense (12km Barak 1 or 15km S-125M) or medium range defese (Shtils which are essentially the same as HQ-16-40KM). Many of their more modern ships (Kolkatas, Dehlis, Shivaliks and Talwars) carry hosts of both Antiship and Air defense missiles and as such should be able to reliably operate independently and in conjunction as part of a CBG providing multi tier defense. To that end PN needs weapons that can both outrange (Harba) their AShMs and overwhelm their defenses (such as a hypersonic missile like CM-400AKG or its YJ-12 Equivalent). They also hace to have enough defensive chops to to overcome Saturation attacks from these vessels which all carry a combo of at least 16 Barhamos/Styx AShM. That means catch brahmos with enough time to take it out (the longer the range and more weapons at each ships disposale the better).
So when we talk about 052D which has 64 cells (probably 16 cells used by YJ-18, 8 cells for CY-5, AND 40 cells for Hq-9) and 24 cells FL-3000N, they would by a good margin be the most powerful ships in South Asia (Kolkata has 48cells for 32 Barak-8 and 16 Brahmos). But even with 40 missiles at 200km, the 2-4 052D wont be enough to significantly move the needle. Now add those 4 Type 054A and you start to create a multilevel defense. If the MILGEM can get 16 cells equipped with quad packed CAMM-ER (45-80KM range) for 64 missiles and you MLU the F-22Ps with new radar amd GENSIS Advent CMS and an 8-16 cells vls also armed with CAMM-ER (32-64 missiles) now you have a very potent defense. So yes, destroyers are a key part of a fleet defense but even the 052D wont be enough without effective picket ships.
There is no need for such a tone and both parties need to calm down. The above post reeks of a condescending and the "flying above the clouds" mindset that it purportedly blames the other. I think this post is the one that derailed the thread to kingdom come and we all need to just move past and get back to the topic on hand - Pakistan Navy!
We need ships equipped with HHQ 9BPakistan Navy needs Frigates and Destroyers which have VLS for long range Cruise Missiles. Those ships are the must for future other wise we are sitting ducks.
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We need Ships which can fire long range cruise missiles from VLS. Air Defence ships are waiting for a Missile to come. The ships I am talking about can unleash hell on any Indian city whether Mumbai or Hyderabad or Chennai or Goa or Bangluru.We need ships equipped with HHQ 9B
Why from VLS sir? Harbah is not a VLS but it is long range Cruise Missile and can be fired from FACs, Type 054s and MilgemsWe need Ships which can fire long range cruise missiles from VLS. Air Defence ships are waiting for a Missile to come. The ships I am talking about can unleash hell on any Indian city whether Mumbai or Hyderabad or Chennai or Goa or Bangluru.